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THIS IS NOT A SHORT POST BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A QUICK EASY ANSWER ISSUE.  TAKE THE TIME TO READ AND UNDERSTAND.

Thanks for everyone's input.  Let's put this to rest.  I first want to provide my take on the issues brought up and then provide a solution.

This tournament is very much an experiment.  I appreciate everyone's interest in it.  I would appreciate it even more if you sign up early.  Why not sign up today, eh?

I'm curious of how this modified match play will work, and the best way to find out is to play.  I'm signed up.

Outstanding, thanks!

As I wrote in one other thread (and yet someone criticized me for - unbelievable) I wrote:

I'm ok with people asking about (whatever)...  Asking about it is ok, complaining about it...not so much.


I'm ok about Mike Krueger (MK) asking reasonable thoughtful questions.  Mike wasn't complaing, or at least I did not take it as so.  What I don't like is when people start complaining, well actually b%tching, about various stuff.  Ok to ask questions, not ok to b%tch about stuff.  Mike was asking.  I did not read it as complaining  There is way too much b%tching on this forum, myself included.

I appreciate Joe Teater (jteater) coming to my defense and supporting with the paraphrase 'dude, the guy stated the way it was...leave him alone'.  What I also read Joe to say is at some point, divisions can be so diluted that everyone is a solo player in their own division.  To which I also agree with.

I appreciate Nova's thoughtful comments and having analytical responses instead of anecdotal.  I don't read Nova's comments to be pushing a 'liberal women's agenda'.  Neither liberal or women are bad words.  This is coming from a more politically conservative white 45-year old male person.  She asks good questions that should be answered.  (By the way, there won't be any bikini golf  ;) )

This tournament will proceed if it doesn't sell out.  However, it will become cumbersome if we play with less than a full field.  It will work 10,000x better (yes, a bit of exaggeration) if it fills.  By limiting it to 2 divisions and 64 players, it would make it more manageable because the higher possibility of selling out.  I frequently enter tournaments knowing I won't place high.  In my first two years, I was happy if I simply didn't place last.  I'm not sure why it would be ok for me to feel this way two years ago, but it's not ok for other demographics to feel this way, whether old, young, novice or advanced, male or female.

Some tournaments do have very limited divisions.  For a VERY long time, the USDGC, arguably the highest pinnacle of our sport, was a 'One Division, One Champion' tournament.  Over time, they saw a need to relax their stance on it.

The original match play tournament that I was familiar with, the Players Cup, was a one division.  I was trying to tweak that tournament with some new ideas.

For all of the Maverick Disc Golf tournaments, I have opened up some divisions, even for one or a few players.  I've offered more than one women's division even if there were only two women (Centennial had one lady in Pro, one lady in Intermediate). 

The Kanza Krush had three different junior divisions when two of them only had 2 players.  Per PDGA competition rules, I could have forced them all to play one division.  Additionally, the PDGA does not REQUIRE TD's to open up divisions for less than 3 players.  I do it regularly.  As in every tournament I have hosted to date.

Incidentally, the league I run on Mondays, I open up a women's division even if only one women shows up. 

Which I come to my first point.  While I'm ok with people asking questions about this or that, when I provide the guideline for how a tournament will be ran, I would really appreciate it if people would respect me and accept it for what it is.  In some way, people are asking me to respect their particular demographic.  Please respect me and how I choose to run a particular tournament, especially realizing that I go out of my way to make every other tournament as welcoming as possible.  There are other opportunities for tournaments literally every single weekend from April 1 to Sept 30 within 150 miles of KC metro.  As a TD, it is actually problematic to find a weekend that I can host a tournament without conflicting with 2 other tournaments within 200 miles, let alone 1 tournament within 150 miles.  I'm not saying this to women; I'm saying this to every Tom, Dick, Harry and Jane.

With all that was said above in my post and others, we will open up a Womens Amateur Division.  It will be limited to 8 players.  It will be amateur, as in paid out in merchandise credit at DDKC.  If it sells out, the purse will be $200 (8 * $20 = $160 + added $40).  This is the same ratio as the Pro and Am divisions.  If it doesn't sell out, please don't presume the added cash will be pro-rated.  That has not been decided.  It very well could be simply dropped.  Again, this is an experiment.  If it sells out at 8 and there are additional women that want to play, your choice is limited to the other two divisions if they haven't sold out. 

For those interested in the Women's division, I hope you sign up earlier than later.  It will help build momentum for others to sign up making it funner for all.  Scott Reek, the Admin for the sign up link, is unavailable for awhile.  I'm not sure how long.  I would expect the women division to be open sometime in the next 7-10 days.

To everyone reading this - please sign up early.  I know we (me too) don't like to sign up until we know who's playing or the weather, etc.  This tournament needs to fill to run well.  When you sign up, others will sign up.

Thanks.

PEACE








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And, by the way, Rob and I like each other.

I like you too Crispian.  You're fun.  And nice.  And I want your Grip EQ bag.  That is all.

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Water Works / Re: Thank You!!
« on: June 27, 2015, 11:07:36 pm »
I just want to say thank you to all of you who have gone out and are going out to waterworks today to clean up after the big storms!!! We lucked out in Olathe, I think. I only saw one major issue--a downed lightpole a mile or so from my house. Thanks again!!

Second best post I've read this evening.

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Tournaments / Re: Wide Open 2016
« on: June 27, 2015, 11:05:29 pm »
Anthony, thanks for sharing your thoughts.  Too many people think because they are volunteering, it puts them above reproach.  I read your post as entirely constructive and appreciate the feedback.  I have no doubt that we could have been better prepared for the vast array of disc golf knowledge present in the crowd.  Anyone wishing to critique my efforts that weekend, feel free.  There's nothing thin about me.  :-)

Best post I've read all night.

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Sorry Nova, it won't be able to do that this year.  Hopefully we can try that next year.  Both DDKC and Maverick DG opens up divisions for two or even one lady, but we can't do that this year for this tournament.  Thanks for understanding.

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This is going to be a really fun tournament.  The format of Match Play vs. Raw Score is a very different mindset.  Match Play rewards the more aggressive player who is behind, and the analytical player that is ahead.

There used to be a tournament called Players Cup.  It originated in Florida, then moved to Texas when Vibram and Disc Nation picked up the sponsorship.  I believe both Loomis and Cooper Arnold have played in it before.

Two divisions.  Pro and Am.  As this is not PDGA sanctioned, Ams can play in Pro and receive cash without affecting their amateur status. 

Payouts are listed above in thread.  Pros pays Cash.  Ams pays merchandise at Dynamic Discs store in Kansas City.

It would be very helpfult to pre-register.  Field is limited to 32 players for each division.

Register at:

http://www.discgolfscene.com/tournaments/2015_Matchboxx_64_presented_by_Dynamic_Discs

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Nova, your frustration is completely warranted.

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registered

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General Banter / Re: The 'Official' ACE Thread!
« on: June 23, 2015, 08:47:17 pm »
For the second week in a row that we finished the PDGA Meandering Monday round (one week in between didn't post due to weather) we had an Ace.

James Thompson first ace ever! Hole 5 BV Short Course, 172 feet.

$252 current Ace Fund with this week's entries.

$126 available, $20 for 2016 club dues -> $106 to James Thompson, or $0.616 per foot.

(Checked the math, Scott Reek's ace two weeks ago was $0.784 a foot.).

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Leagues / Re: 2015 Meandering Monday PDGA League - First Session
« on: June 23, 2015, 08:42:04 pm »
13 out on a hot muggy evening.  We played the Blue Valley Short (Jr / Executive) Course twice

All 13 in on the Ace Fund....and we had an Ace!  James Thompson first ace ever!  Hole 5 BV Short Course, 172 feet.

$252 current Ace Fund with this week's entries.

$126 available, $20 for 2016 club dues -> $106 to James Thompson, or $0.616 per foot.

JAMES - PM me your mailing address

Ratings:

http://www.pdga.com/tour/event/21410

OPEN

1. Travis Corporon, 51, $10 USD
2. Michael Megl, 53, $2
3. Peter Bures, 54
4. Brett Matthews, 57

MASTERS

1. Harold Berciunas, 55, $9 USD
2. Jim Sherwood, 57
3. Eric Kolkmeier, 59

AM1

1. Bill Shinoski, 51, $7 KCKash
2. James Thompson, 56, $4
3. Javen Bowie, 59

AM2

1. Tim Heiber, 56, $6 KCKash
2. Rob Martin, 61, $5
3. Doug Keehler, 66

Next week - Fox Hill:

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=5700

39.285446,-94.569942

Fox Hill Elem School
545 N.E. 106th Street
KC MO 64155



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Tournaments / Re: Maverick Disc Golf Schedule 2015
« on: June 23, 2015, 05:08:55 pm »
This past weekend at the Kansas City Wide Open, I had a bunch of people asking me what the next Maverick tournaments will be.

The next one is Matchboxx 64 that I'm hosting and DDKC is doing payouts.  It is on Sunday, August 30th, I'll start pushing this in a couple of weeks.

One that I'm currently working on is October 10th - Wrangle in the Woods presented by Hyzerbomb Discs​.  It will be at Longview DGC at Perry Lake.  Really stoked about this as it will be Maverick's first B-Tier.  The plan is to do 2 rounds of medium length placements on Saturday.  Sunday will be an optional 1-round C-tier with everything set to max length.

I'm in the beginning stages for something September 12th - I'll post more when the details are a little more firm.

Meanwhile, for the currently scheduled tournaments, go to the Events tab on the facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/MaverickDiscGolf/events

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Tournaments / Re: Wide Open 2016
« on: June 23, 2015, 03:21:57 pm »
You're too hard on your self Dick.  It was a great weekend.  thank you.

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Lakeside Hills / Re: 06-15-15 LAKESIDE HILLS MINI
« on: June 23, 2015, 10:11:54 am »
Cade - did you get my PM I sent you about the PDGA league?

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Tournaments / Re: Wide Open 2016
« on: June 22, 2015, 01:39:49 pm »
Loved having lunch during the rounds and beer on Sunday vs. Player Party Saturday night.  This was the best improvement.

Swope Gold plus a second round on any day is a bit much.  Probably pretty tough though scheduling Swope so all pools can play it.

As a masters age player, I don't necessarily feel like I need to watch a masters age final 9.  I'm sure there would be opinions on both sides of this.


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Leagues / Re: 2015 Meandering Monday PDGA League - First Session
« on: June 22, 2015, 08:16:54 am »
Best way to work off that KCWO disc golf hangover? 

Hair of the dog - PDGA Meandering Mondays. 

This week?  Blue Valley Park, Kansas City, MO.  Playing the junior 9-hole course twice (a.k.a 'Short Course')
Meet at the parking lot / shelter just east of the triangle of where Junior 1 starts and Junior 9 ends.


Sign up starts at 5:40, tee off at 6pm.

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