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Beginners / Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« on: July 22, 2014, 10:45:57 AM »
Interesting though.  The graphic at the beginning references 803.05.  803.05 no longer exists in the current rules.

http://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/803-the-lie

Link shows 'The Lie' has been consolidated to points .01 to .03.

It appears as though this was moved to 803.01B:

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803.01 Obstacles And Relief
Last updated: Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 18:19
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A.Obstacles to a Stance or Throwing Motion: With the exception of casual obstacles to a stance as described below, a player is not allowed to move any obstacle on the course. No relief is granted from park equipment (such as signs, trash cans, or picnic tables), which is considered to be part of the course. A player is allowed to request that other people remove themselves and/or their belongings from the player's stance or line of play.

B.Casual Obstacles to a Stance: A player may obtain relief only from the following obstacles that are on or behind the lie: casual water, loose leaves or debris, broken branches no longer connected to a tree, motor vehicles, harmful insects or animals, players' equipment, people, or any item or area specifically designated by the Director before the round. To obtain relief, the player must remove the obstacle if it is practical to do so. If it is impractical to move the obstacle, the player's lie may be relocated to the nearest lie which is no closer to the target, is on the line of play, and is not more than five meters from the original lie (unless greater casual relief is announced by the Director).



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Beginners / Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« on: July 22, 2014, 10:39:33 AM »
Bump

Stance, relief, etc. came up in a conversation I had this past weekend.  Here is a great thread on it.


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Rosedale / Re: 2014 Rosedale League
« on: July 20, 2014, 01:32:39 PM »
I am right now.
Penny, are you still running Rosie league?

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The registrations are coming in.  We are planning a one rounder on the Friday before the event (August 1st) along with Team Who Man with a Friday Clinic and Saturday they will be present with an obstacle course during the players party.
Any more info on this?

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7/16/14             Water Works 19 hole MAC layout, Par 62, approx 7,420 feet

43 out this evening.  What a fantastic night

http://www.pdga.com/tour/event/18052


OPEN, Paid out USD
1   ,   Becket   Carduff   ,   57   $14.00
1   ,   Joe   Hesting   ,   57   $14.00
3   ,   Das   Loomis   ,   58   $7.50
3   ,   A.J.   Risley   ,   58   $7.50
3   ,   Duane   Steiner   ,   58   $7.50
6   ,   Jake   Bowen   ,   60   $5.00 - owe
7   ,   Max   Nichols   ,   61   
7   ,   Kelly   Babbit   ,   61   
9   ,   Justin   Lowe   ,   62   
10   ,   Jamie    Loveall   ,   64   
11   ,   Steve   Thimmesch   ,   65   
11   ,   Matt   Crowe   ,   65   
13   ,   Scott   Reek   ,   66   
14   ,   Peter   Bures   ,   67   
15   ,   Kevin   Zane   ,   68   
16   ,   Caleb   Walker   ,   70   
16   ,   Dan   Shepherd   ,   70   
18   ,   Zeke   Henry   ,   73   
               
MASTERS, Paid out USD   
1   ,   James   Barry   ,   61   $9.00
2   ,   Ted   Keith   ,   66   $5.00
3   ,   Jim   Sherwood   ,   70   $4.00 - owe
4   ,   Jack   Lowe   ,   73   
5   ,   Harold   Berciunas   ,   74   
5   ,   SteelerDoug   Kroll   ,   74   
                  
AM1, Paid out KC Kash
1   ,   Brendan   Egan   ,   61   $13.00
2   ,   Chris   McKee   ,   67   $10.00
2   ,   Jeff   Waldron   ,   67   $10.00
4   ,   Bill   Shinoski   ,   68   $4.00
4   ,   Andrew   Stomps   ,   68   $4.00
6   ,   Anthony   Puryear   ,   70   
7   ,   Carl   Pledger   ,   71   
8   ,   Chris   Cardinal   ,   73   
9   ,   Joe   Bristow   ,   74   
10   ,   Duane   Waldman   ,   76   
11   ,   Jeff   Ozorkiewicz   ,   DNF   
      
AM2, paid out KC Kash            
1   ,   Charles   Bryan   ,   71   $10.00
2   ,   Alex   Wegman   ,   73   $6.00
3   ,   Mike   Krueger   ,   77   $4.00
4   ,   Chris   Connell   ,   79   
4   ,   Rob   Martin   ,   79   
                  
WOMEN, paid out USD
1   ,   Amanda   Jackson   ,   76   $9.00
2   ,   Amy   Crowe   ,   88   
3   ,   Elisabeth   Borg-Bowman   ,   91   

40 in Ace Fund.  No Aces hit.  Ace fund up to $340.

Next week - Shawnee Mission Park

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I got this back - thank you

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Found and Lost / Re: Hannah Nelson
« on: July 17, 2014, 03:58:45 PM »
placed in Water Works disc return

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I have a question for anyone who has ran a tournament or set one up. Why do holes have to be added and the course changed around. Waterworks is a well know course and a place people want to visit to play. Then they get here and it is a whole different layout.  I understand for pros and open players, but this is for an amateur championship.

I'm with you Joe.  I get tired of hearing "tournament experience" and "challenge yourself". Not calling anyone out but I've heard these things in disc golf for a while now. Sure everyone want to play their best in a tourney but a majority of ams will not compete at pro level.  I do sometimes wish tournaments would leave it easy and let's see who can beat it down the hardest. How bout input from ams not pros on what people like. Just sayin. I guess we will see how everyone shoots.  Most disc golfer are gracious and appreciate the work it takes to put on an event so i prolly sound like a dbag for the post. I think Scott runs good tourneys and DD usually lays good playa packs so even if you do get punked by a course you can have something to take home to help forget about a bad score.  Maybe I'll run the "Paris of the plains" rec open next year :P

Well at first I wasn't busting Joe's nuts.  JeffO - now I'm busting your nuts. 

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How bout input from ams not pros on what people like. Just sayin.

Am Player Comment #1:
Rob Martin, PDGA # 51540, Rated 843.  Played 20 PDGA Sanctioned tournament so far.  2 of which were Majors, 2 A-Tiers.
I think the intention for the MAC is to give Ams the experience of playing in a larger tournament without paying a $100 entry fee.  Tee times for instance are never utilized for a C or B tier.  Sometimes A, but not B or C. 

With larger tournies, such as GBO, Shunga Nunga, etc., tightening up the fairways and extending them is part of the tournament experience.  Admittedly, I tend to shoot below my rating on longer holes, mandos, OB rope, etc.  However, I enjoy them more when they are utilized in a tournament.  If I want to play the normal course, I go to league or have a casual but serious round with my friends.  For tournaments, I personally want the difficulty kicked up a notch.

Am Player Comment #2:
Marc Johnson, PDGA # 64386, Currently rated 622
I agree with some of the comments here. Where as I don't personally have the tournament experience, I can get as much experience playing the same course over and over but not gain 'that' much knowledge of 'how to play'. Just in preparation for the MAC, I've started playing Rosedale and Water Works on an alternating schedule every week. Yet, I'm quickly learning it doesn't really matter with the regular course set ups, a tournament NEEDS to change the regular layouts. The whole point of playing disc golf, is to have fun, get better, and compete against your own play, as well as others.
I, for one, am excited to play new courses and set ups. I believe that's where the true reward is in playing tournaments.
Just my thoughts...
(Marc, this is not a slight on you).

JeffO - How much more Amateur do you want?  A 843 rated player and a 622 rated player saying they want tougher layouts for tournaments.

Not all tournaments are tough layouts.  Rosedale Open this year was pretty tame.  Muddy Mo last year was pretty tame.  Both those 2 tournaments included Rosedale (tame) and Water Works (tame).

This tournament, that includes Rosedale and Water Works is not tame.  If every tournament was tame, 1. How are you going to get better, and 2. (more importantly) how freakin' boring is that?

Come on guys, pony up to the challenge.  If this isn't your thing, there are other tournaments to play.  This one is about kicking up the tournament experience a few notches.

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I think tonight will be a good test.  It may go great, it may show tweaks need to be made.




Just don't come to league tweaking.  Because it is a real bother when a stranger follows you around and he's out of his freakin' mind.


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Joe - this is not a ball buster, just my thoughts...

I think the intention for the MAC is to give Ams the experience of playing in a larger tournament without paying a $100 entry fee.  Tee times for instance are never utilized for a C or B tier.  Sometimes A, but not B or C. 

With larger tournies, such as GBO, Shunga Nunga, etc., tightening up the fairways and extending them is part of the tournament experience.  Admittedly, I tend to shoot below my rating on longer holes, mandos, OB rope, etc.  However, I enjoy them more when they are utilized in a tournament.  If I want to play the normal course, I go to league or have a casual but serious round with my friends.  For tournaments, I personally want the difficulty kicked up a notch.

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General Banter / Re: WaterWorks Hole 17
« on: July 16, 2014, 08:36:38 AM »
For the KCWO 2013 when I was spotting on that hole for Pro Masters, it was called safe.  Per the TD in attendance.

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General Banter / Re: mowing schedules
« on: July 15, 2014, 04:36:23 PM »
I personally update DGCR courses with conditions every time I play a course.

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we may be strapped for time. so, I'll set up cards of 3 instead of 4. If you are known as a slower player, try to step it up a bit. I'll try to send some cards out early. If you play slow, come earlier so I can send you out earlier. Will also need to send some people to drive to the other side of the course to spread it out.

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OK, more details.

Hole A is to the left of Standard 1.  It goes down hill.
Hole B comes back up the hill to the practice basket near the playground.
Holes 1-3 are normal
Hole 4 plays to 5's basket.
(skip teepad 5)
Hole 6-16 normal
Hole 17 to 12's peninsula's basket
Hole 18

There will be mandos set up to protect players, such as on hole 3 that will prevent you from playing from hole 2's fairway if you venture too far right.  Other mando's I'm sure.

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