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Tournaments / Re: 32nd Annual Kansas City Wide Open - June 20-22, 2014
« on: March 16, 2014, 01:28:00 PM »
Will KCWO WyCo play the same layout as the Kan-U-Wyco did?  If not, what changes will be made?

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Swope / Re: Bridge on hole 9
« on: March 15, 2014, 07:30:48 PM »
Birdie button

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General Banter / Re: How you know you're a disc golf addict....
« on: March 14, 2014, 09:16:16 PM »
You know you are an addict when you play Angry Birds and right before the birds hit your left side of your torso jerks like you are snapping a disc.

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WYCO / Re: Moving league to Wednesday?
« on: March 14, 2014, 11:14:46 AM »
All those signs put up around the city will be wrong if league nights are swapped around.

Valid concern.  A cost effective solution was discussed.

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General Banter / Re: Wyco League Change?
« on: March 14, 2014, 11:09:55 AM »
Hello Pete,

The conversation is scattered all over the place.

Originally this conversation started with me asking if any current leagues were interested in sanctioning a PDGA league.  There was quite a bit of positive comments about having a PDGA league.  The two more popular suggestions were either a rotating league or moving WyCo to mid-week. That discussion is found here:

http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=10209.0

Some league directors have expressed interest, but specific action was not being fully communicated.

The conversation was kind of all over the place, so to bring some structure I posted a poll found here:

http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=10221.0

Both of which were found under the League section of the forum.

Meanwhile, Timko was asking for a WyCo league director found in the Wyco subsection, found here:

http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=10176.0

It would appear from Timko's request, that any Wyco Friday players were unwilling or unknowing about the need for a league director.  I offered to run the league, but not on Fridays.  Married with kids, I'm not interested in playing on a Friday night.

Thinking that the discussion was properly vetted online and those that had an opinion would have communicated their opinion, I brought it to the last BOD meeting. 

At the BOD Wednesday Wyco was the determined best choice based on the impacts on other leagues.

After it was announced, including here:

http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=10242.0

some individuals started to speak up stating they didn't know about it because the conversation was not listed under the Wyco course listings.  So, I put out one more thread to gain public comments under the Wyco course heading here:

http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=10244.0

Now, we have another comment thread (this one) under General - neither under the League or Wyco Course subforums.

Wow.  This is all over the place, isn't it?

My enthusiasm is quickly draining. 

Getting back to the *original* question - does any current league director want to run a PDGA league?  If so, for God's sake, please speak up.  If not, I'm willing to do so.  If I do it, it has to be Monday or Wednesday.  I cannot commit to any other night for 10 weeks straight.  I'm not interested in Cliff - I'd rather not get into it so don't ask.


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Leagues / Re: RESULTS: Spring PDGA League format poll
« on: March 14, 2014, 09:19:31 AM »
While the numbers may be off a tad towards the bottom, and the numbers don't actually give a 100% picture of attendance because it would only show non-members playing and not members, it does give an indication to the attendance level overall.

Actually, I think members should have more of a say than non-members.  It is ran and supported by the club.  But without some data mining, it does help the discussion.


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Leagues / Re: RESULTS: Spring PDGA League format poll
« on: March 14, 2014, 09:08:09 AM »
I may have read the Income Statement wrong.  I can either double check it when I have time this evening, or if someone has the correct numbers, please post them.

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WYCO / Moving league to Wednesday?
« on: March 13, 2014, 10:30:31 PM »
Of the consistent Friday night leaguers (defined as going 50% or more of the time), what is your opinion of moving league to Wednesday?  Of the inconsistent leaguers (defined as going on average once per month/ 25% of the time), what is your opinion? Please list your participation level in your comment. Thanks.

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Leagues / Re: RESULTS: Spring PDGA League format poll
« on: March 13, 2014, 10:28:32 PM »
Of the consistent Wyco leaguers on Fridays (consistent defined as 50% or more of the time) what is your opinion of moving league to Wednesday?

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Leagues / Re: RESULTS: Spring PDGA League format poll
« on: March 13, 2014, 10:26:09 PM »
Of the leagues I've gone to (WW, Swope, Cliff 10 weeks straight, Rosedale Mondays and Wednesday) I was shocked WW didn't just blow all leagues out of the water.

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Leagues / Re: RESULTS: Spring PDGA League format poll
« on: March 13, 2014, 06:18:09 PM »
Thanks for identifying yourself Mark.   I'll defer to the BOD about this because it's not really my call.

As info:

Ace Funds:
Rosedale - 213
WyCo - 322
Cliff - 430
WW - 449
Swope 519
Legacy 371
PC 437
Lakeside 177
SMP 409
Young 92

League Income:
SMP  $1489 (sorry Peter, referenced Rosie up above)
WW - $1425
Rosedale - 923
Swope 876
Legacy 376
Cliff 348
Lakeside 271
Young 255
PC 214
WyCo 181

My observations about league revenue.  While the numbers don't perfectly match attendance because this really only tracks non-members, I do think it shows trends.  WyCo is last.  It's even behind PC and Lakeside on an individual course basis which only ran 50% of the time because they alternated.

Admittedly, I've never played a WyCo league.  I'm not interested in Friday nights.  I would guess, based on the numbers above, my opinion is shared by a lot of other people.

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Leagues / Re: RESULTS: Spring PDGA League format poll
« on: March 13, 2014, 04:25:33 PM »
I meant to include this -

Looking over the Balance Sheet and Income Statements last night I noticed league income.  The highest was either WW or Rosedale, I don't recall which, but they were over $1400 for the year.

Most were in the $500-$900 range.

WyCo was last, 10th place, at $181 if I remember correctly.  Even Cliff league brought in approximately 2x as much.

Changing WyCo league to Wednesday could be the catalyst to revitalize the league and course. 

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WYCO / Re: 2014 WYCO League information
« on: March 13, 2014, 04:08:27 PM »
PDGA leagues come in various formats.  The format for this league will be the same as normal singles KCFDC leagues. 

Similiarities include:

1. Singles format.
2. Same divisions for payouts.  It takes 3 to make a payout division.
3. Beer is still ok during league. (As opposed during a sanctioned PDGA tournament)
4. Pros get actual cash.  Ams get KC Kash.
5. Payout schedule is the approved KCFDC schedule found here:

http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=9359.0

The differences are:

1. It costs $1 more.  Half of this dollar goes to the PDGA, the other half goes to me to cover my upfront registration fee.  If there is a significant amount left over, I have some ideas on how we can use it including, free beer at the end of the season / league / whatever, grill some burgers, have a bonus payout, prizes for those that came the most, register another 10-week session.  These are just ideas and not promises.
2. The rounds are reported to the PDGA and are rated.  If at least 5 propogators played, we will see tentative ratings immediately. If less than 5 propogators play an evening, we won't see a rating until official ratings are updated.

PDGA League information can be found here:

http://www.pdga.com/leagues

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Leagues / Re: RESULTS: Spring PDGA League format poll
« on: March 13, 2014, 04:05:01 PM »
Mark - thanks for replying.  I'm sorry if you feel like the rug was pulled out from under you.  It's understandable that you're annoyed.

Before I got into a discussion, I simply wanted to know who I'm talking with.   My name is Rob Martin.

PDGA leagues come in various formats.  The format for this league will be the same as normal singles KCFDC leagues. 

Similiarities include:

1. Singles format.
2. Same divisions for payouts.  It takes 3 to make a payout division.
3. Pros get actual cash.  Ams get KC Kash.
4. Beer is still ok during league. (As opposed during a sanctioned PDGA tournament)
5. Payout schedule is the approved KCFDC schedule found here:

http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=9359.0

The differences are:

1. It costs $1 more.  Half of this dollar goes to the PDGA, the other half goes to me to cover my upfront registration fee.  If there is a significant amount left over, I have some ideas on how we can use it including, free beer at the end of the season / league / whatever, grill some burgers, have a bonus payout, prizes for those that came the most, register another 10-week session.  These are just ideas and not promises.
3. The rounds are reported to the PDGA and are rated.  If at least 5 propogators played, we will see tentative ratings immediately. If less than 5 propogators play an evening, we won't see a rating until official ratings are updated.

That answers your first question.

#2 - Mark who?

#3.  Unfortunately not using the forum causes members to miss out on what is happening with our club.  I would recommend checking in here regularly.

#4 - Regarding problems running Friday night league.  The former league director, Timko, requested volunteers for WyCo.  His request was posted here since February 20:

http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=10176.0

As my suggestion was approved by the KCFDC Board of Directors, I can only surmise that no one stepped forward to run the Friday night league.

#5 - The poll was for information purposes only and not a vote to all of the KCFDC members.  (By the way - just asking - are you a current paid KCFDC member?)  Up above I wrote:

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I would like to gather interest and opinion regarding a possible PDGA Spring league...

This is for informational purposes only.  The top choice may not necessarily be the one chosen (if any).  Besides what players would like, it would need to be approved by the BOD and would depend on the perceived impacts on other club leagues.



Please remember, this PDGA league and moving WyCo to Wednesday was approved by the Board of Directors, the governing body of our club, that were elected by the club's members. 

Without having someone stepping forward to run a WyCo Friday league, it is reasonable that the WyCo Friday would cease to exist beyond just a couple of people getting together for a casual round.  You can still do that any Friday as long as it doesn't conflict with the club's happenings (like Friday KCWO weekend).

As far as why the other choices were not chosen even though they may have gotten more votes:

Traveling leagues playing the same night and/or courses as established leagues could *possibly* have been disruptive to those leagues.  It was ill advised.  I included it in my poll because it was brought up.  Maybe someday in the future this could be a possibility, but not now as a KCFDC league for this spring.

Monday was not chosen because of the already successful Olathe league on the same side of town.  Same as Tuesday with SMP.  I couldn't run Tuesday anyway.

So it came down to Wednesday or Thursday.  Wednesday was chosen as the consensus was it would be less disruptive with Rosedale than with Water Works because of the perceived type of players that frequent those leauges.  As I was the one actually volunteering to run the league, I requested Wednesday as my first choice. 

I hope this did not sound snarky, that is not my intention.

Let me know if you have any more questions. 

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Leagues / Re: RESULTS: Spring PDGA League format poll
« on: March 13, 2014, 02:57:22 PM »
L.O.F.T. - What's your name?
Did you chime in when we were discussing this previously?
Who was willing to run WyCo on Friday's?  I'm not aware of anyone volunteering to run it this year.

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