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My apologies, is it not OK for me to post an A-tier here? If it's not, I'll happily delete the post. Thanks.

No, perfectly fine in all honesty.  Don't let me stop you.  I lived in Chi-Town for years, and always had to drive down there to see Gary to play.  Love the area, but the drive is a killer, and the notion that there is an A-Tier closer (PDGA's fault not yours) is always something strikes me odd. 

There are plenty of people who may opt for this, so this is WAY more than appropriate to post it in here.

As Kevin indicated it is better to post it here than to delete it.

I hope the event is a big success I really do.  I just wish it wasn't on a weekend that has always been Des Moines weekend.  I am looking for an excuse to get back up there to visit and play, and I don't wanna go over to IN and Lemon Lake to play.

I haven't played this Canyon's course yet, maybe plan on playing it on my way to K-Zoo this summer, so it is very informative, regardless of this smart-ass comment! 


No disrespect meant, but sarcasm is often lost on me in the rooms, in person not so much!

Keeping for reference. 

We will have alternate tee pads.  Short for Junior, Rec, Rec Women, Int. Women and maybe Adv. Grandmaster.  Long for others.

We "AIN'T" wimps RoB. AdvGM can play longs.   ;)

Heehee.  I know, most AdvGM can kick my rear (along with Jack kicking my rear when he can find a chance to). 

I see DD Emporia sometimes puts GM's on short pads.  I'm open to discussion.

Really Jack?  You must stalk me just to bust my rear.

The actual parking lot at BV is small.  However people park in the street.

The parking lots at Ottawa, Lawrence, and Perry are small, however people park in the street.  I was addressing the issue of very limited parking brought up by others.

Thank you for your concern.  I hope you have a fantastic weekend.


Tournaments / Re: Maverick Disc Golf Schedule 2015
« on: March 20, 2015, 10:35:04 am »
As always Jack, I'm following protocol.  It has been submitted to the BOD.  Parking will be handled just like it is with all the other tournaments at Blue Valley including KCWO, City of Fountains, Club Championships, etc.

Thank you for your concern and have a great weekend.

TENTATIVE Tee Pad locations

1-5 Normal tee area for both
6 - Short tee is normal, Long tee will be marked area from walking path.
7 - Normal for both
8 - Short tee is normal, Long tee will be marked area from walking path.
9 - 13 Normal for both
14 - Normal tee area  is Long setting, Drop Zone near Mando will be the Short setting.
15 - 16 Normal for both
17 -TBD
18 - TBD but will probably move tee for both to the left side of the walking path.  Not sure yet.

Yes, I cleared it with the city.  That is always my first step.

Most courses have limited parking that cannot accomodate a full tourney.  Centennial Lawrence, Longview Perry, Blue Valley KCMO for example.  We'll deal with it.

Tee pads are taking care of by utilizing flags and allowing people to tee from grass besides the tee pad or behind tee pad.  Personally, I think the pads are no big deal when you look at the size comparred to the amount of space you have when you are driving from a lye in a fairway (directly behind your disc / marker, 11", etc.)  If it is really bothersome, you can use the marked natural pad.

We will have alternate tee pads.  Short for Junior, Rec, Rec Women, Int. Women and maybe Adv. Grandmaster.  Long for others.  Some of the long tees will be the walking trail.  It is Ottawa, not Central Park.  It isn't that busy.

Players and pedestrians will need to be careful regarding each other as with any tournament.  Both can manage.  It will be OK.

Tournaments I intend to run will not be 'normal' tournaments on normal courses using the same ol', same ol'.  Grow the sport by providing alternate options to the same old thing.  Some will like it, others won't.  Vanilla and chocolate options.

Defiance Beer returns as a sponsor.  Yum.

Thank you.

Tournaments / Re: Maverick Disc Golf Schedule 2015
« on: March 20, 2015, 09:43:04 am »
11/14 - Big Blue Monster - Blue Valley, KC, MO - 1 rounder of all 27 holes in long positions.

Big Blue set long.  Inbetween Hole 1 and Hole 2, you detour and play Baby Jr. Blue's 9 holes starting at Junior #2.  2-9, then 1, then back to Big Blue #2.  Tee off will be later say noon or 1pm.

11/21 - Riverfront Round and Round - 1 rounder, 27 holes at Riverfront Lawrence, KS

If you are familiar with Riverfront Lawrence, it is 9 tees with 18 baskets.  You actually play the circle twice from each tee - first time to one basket, next time to other basket.  This would be that format, plus a third lap where we would play the hardest basket for each hole for a total of 27 holes.  Field would be limited to 45 players.

Tournaments / Maverick Disc Golf Schedule 2015
« on: March 20, 2015, 09:37:38 am »
BOLD items are the only one that have been fully approved.  Others have not been fully approved by the respective approval bodies including but not limited to the PDGA, State, County or City Parks Departments, and the KCFDC BOD if and when applicable.

Tournaments I'm planning on running or promoting or both.

3/7 - Jackson Park Open, Atchison, KS

4/12 - Longview Open, Perry, KS

5/23 - Kanza Krush in Ottawa, KS

5/30 - Yankton 2-Step - Saturday at Gavin's Point, Yankton, SD
5/31 - Yankton 2-Step - Sunday at Fantle Memorial, Yankton, SD

6/13 Tick Flick presented by Carolyn's Dirty Water Bug Repellent 6/13/15, Rose Park, McLouth, KS

8/30 - Matchboxx 64 at Swope.  Collaboration with Scott Reek and DDKC. - cancelled

9/12 - Atchison Aviatrix, Jackson Park, Atchison, KS

10/3 - I Like Sp'Ike at Eisenhower State Park, Lake Melvern, Osage City, KS

10/10  Wrangle in the Woods presented by Hyzerbomb Discs, Longview DGC, Perry, KS. First ever Maverick B-tier.  2 rounds set medium length
10/11  Wrangle in the Woods Reprise.  One round C-tier set extra long.

10/25 Family Promise Fling, Centennial Park, Lawrence, KS.  Non-sanctioned.  Benefit tournament for Family Promise in Lawrence, a non-profit organization that helps homeless families.

11/21 - Big Blue Monster - Blue Valley, KC, MO - 1 rounder of all 27 holes in long positions. 

11/28 - Centennial Chain Crash presented by Grip Equipment, Lawrence, KS. 


Registration is now open for Kanza Krush, Ottawa, KS, May 23, 2015, C-Tier


Facebook listing:

Known sponsors:

Defiance Beer
TriLion Studios
Maverick Disc Golf

We will be using two sets of tees.  Short tees for Juniors, Recreational, Rec Women, and Intermediate Women.  Possibly Adv. Grandmasters, not sure yet.  Long tees for everyone else.

Am Player's Pack will be a Discmania or Innova disc and a Innova Mini Driver (heavy weight mini)

Tournaments / Re: Matchbox 64 MODIFIED Match Play Comment Thread
« on: March 18, 2015, 03:22:07 pm »
Saturday is the KC Ace Race

Tournaments / Re: Matchbox 64 MODIFIED Match Play Comment Thread
« on: March 18, 2015, 02:56:43 pm »
For ties, it only applies to the card you are on, because you are only competing against your card.  So ties across different cards don't matter.

From the Vibram thread, this is what Steve Dodge suggested:

Hi Chuck and Jason, tie breakers are something that would need to be worked out. Great points! In my opinion, in this format, the way to break ties would be head to head scoring.

For example, let's presume Jim and John tied with 16 points and Ed and Larry tied with 12 points on a given card. To break the ties I would see who won more holes head to head between Jim and John. And then I would do this also for Ed and Larry.

If they are still tied after that, I would do a one throw CTP on the hole that they started on. In my pragmatic opinion, if two people are tied after 18 holes and they beat each other on the same number of holes, then whoever advances is basically a coin toss (they are equally matched!) and a CTP is a fine way to break the tie.

That is one idea.  Another idea could be:

I would suggest it is a one hole playoff.  If you tie on that hole, it is then CTP to the next hole and you're done.

I like the One Hole playoff myself.  It may affect how people strategize if they think that Hole #6 may come back in to consideration if we tie.  I would like it to be, 'this hole matters only for this hole'.  After that, it doesn't matter any more.  If we tie, we play one additional hole, becaue it is a new hole and it is mano e mano.  How I do my upshot, or run a put, etc., is for this hole only.  I like that and I believe lends itself more to the Match Play feel.

Tournaments / Re: Matchbox 64 MODIFIED Match Play Comment Thread
« on: March 18, 2015, 12:46:25 pm »
Possible payout:

Tournaments / Matchbox 64 MODIFIED Match Play Comment Thread
« on: March 18, 2015, 12:40:21 pm »
Matchbox 64 Comment Thread.

Scott Reek and I are joining efforts on a MODIFIED match play format tournament created by Steve Dodge of Vibram disc golf.  I’ll be running the tournament, Scott will be collecting registrations and doing payouts.  The date is set for Sunday, August 30th.  Course is yet to be determined.

This thread is to allow some discussion to take place before the final format is declared.  Please be civil in your comments.  When the final format and course is determined, I will start a new thread specifically for that.  This is for discusison only.

This will be a NON-sanctioned tournament.  Ams can play Pro and accept cash without affecting their Am status.  There will be two divisions offered.  Pro and Am.  Pro will be awarded cash, Am will be awarded credit at DDKC Store only.  Each division will be limited to 32 players.  Each card will be limited to four players.  Eight cards per division.

Women can play but a separate division will not be offered.  In order for this to work, divisions of 4 are required.  If this turns out be be succesful, maybe we can start a 4 or 8 lady separate division next year.

World Cup Format:
On each hole, for each person in your group that you score better than, you get a point. In each round, you are only competing against the other players on your card.

Examples of scoring per hole:
Everyone gets the exact same score: 3 or a 4 or a 2 – No score is awarded, you put a ‘0’ on the score card for everyone.

You get a 3, everyone else gets a 4.  You get a ‘3’, because you beat 3 people, everyone else gets a ‘0’

Two people get a 3, two people get a 4.  The two people that get a 3 each score a ‘2’ because they beat 2 people – those that got a 4.  Those that got a 4 get a ‘0’.

You get a 2, two people get a 3, one gets a 4.  You get a ‘3’ because you beat three people.  The two people that got a 3 get ‘1’ each because they each beat one person – the individual that scored a 4.  The 4 gets ‘0’.

You get a 2, all others get a 4.  You get a ‘3’ because you beat three people.  Others get a ‘0’.  You don’t get bonus points due to the scoring spread, you only get points for how many people you beat.

You get a 2, two people get a 4, one gets a 6.  You get a ‘3’ because you beat three people.  The two that scored 4 get ‘1’ each because they each beat one person.  The one that scored ‘6’ gets a ‘0’.

A sequenced is thrown, i.e., 2, 3, 4, 5.  The person that shot a 2, gets a '3' on the score card.  The person that shot a 3 get a '2' on the score card.  The person that shot a 4 gets a '1' on the score card.  The person that shot a 5 gets a '0'.

Highest score wins.

Need to figure out tie breakers yet.  The Vibram thread had some ideas.

Round 1: 16 Foursomes total.  8 foursomes per division.

Round 2: Semifinals

This is Per Division
Two Lead Foursomes
Two 2nd Place Foursomes
Two 3rd Place Foursomes
Two  4th Place Foursomes

Round 3: Finals
The winners of each of the two lead foursomes play a final Match Play round of 9 holes.  We could do this as one group of four.  The two winning Pros and the two winning Ams playing together but scoring separately.

Order of top 12 players, who get a payout.
1.  (Winner of Final Round).  Top payout.
2. (Loser of Final Round)
3-4.  Two players that finished in 2nd place from one of the two lead foursomes in Rd2
5-6: Winners of the 2nd Place Foursomes in Rd2
7-12: Equal payouts to 3rd place in lead foursome, 2nd place in 2nd foursome, 1st place in 3rd foursome

Tournaments / Re: 33rd Annual Kansas City Wide Open - June 19-21, 2015
« on: March 17, 2015, 10:08:34 pm »
Thank you John for bringing a higher road to the forums instead of guilt trips.

Confirmed today, we'll have some CTP and 'Win a card, win a prize options'.

Hog Holler Saloon​ is donating Qty (2) $25 gift certificates for CTP prizes.  These certificates will be able to use on a date after April 12 (i.e. not the date of the tournament).  Come back to play the course again, and stop in for a great meal and drinks.

Maverick Disc Golf​ will be providing a 'Win your card, win a Drink' ticket, redeemable at Hog Holler of course, to be used after the second round.  Maybe it should be, 'lose your card, win a drink'.  That may be more appropriate.  I'll think about it.

Remember, all players, Pro and Am, will receive a free golf towel courtesy of TriLion Studios​.

Register by April 9, and Ams will receive a bonus pack item.  I'm waiting for the Innova order to be delivered before I confirm what it is.

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