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General Banter / Re: Disc Golf IQ
« on: April 09, 2013, 10:32:09 PM »
I like the Inner Game of (Home)Brew.
(Home) is optional.

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General Banter / Re: Bracket Busted? Sure it is. BUT...
« on: April 08, 2013, 01:19:46 PM »
THE CYCLONES of IOWA STATE on the Hendrick Hills course, vanquishing the Twirly Birds by three strokes.

sigh

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General Banter / Re: The 'Official' ACE Thread!
« on: April 07, 2013, 09:11:35 PM »
Jon Thomas aced Holy #9 at Shawnee Mission today, 341 feet with a KC Pro Aviar.

that is disgusting!

Good job Jon

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General Banter / Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
« on: April 05, 2013, 01:22:17 PM »
When's the first tournament on it?

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General Banter / 1985 Discraft Phantom
« on: April 05, 2013, 11:17:49 AM »
Playing with a co-worker last night in preparation for the KCCC at the end of the month.  He hasn't played DG for 5 years.

He pulls out a 1985 Tulsa OK Pro Worlds Discraft Phantom and throws it almost the whole round.

That beats my 1987 Discraft Cruiser that I played with in 2005 as the oldest disc I've seen still in play.  My Cruiser is now retired and hanging on my wall.

He also had 2 old Rocs.  One was a big bird red roc with a lot of ink all over top and bottom and a couple others I didn't recall.

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General Banter / Re: KCFDC Official Membership List
« on: April 05, 2013, 10:26:31 AM »
Yeah....that's what I thought.
Reminder of our own mortality.

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General Banter / Re: KCFDC Official Membership List
« on: April 04, 2013, 08:26:27 PM »
So for those of us that don't know, what is the black line through people's name mean?

Kudos on the list, join date would be cool if you had it.

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Found and Lost / Re: lost my buzzz at lakeside
« on: April 04, 2013, 08:24:46 PM »
I unloaded my bag on hole nine and forgot to pick up a pink/red bar stamp buzz. It has ozorkiewicz right under the discraft stamp and my number on the bottom. Same offer as always $$ for return or punch in the face if I catch you with it. God bless

I love that disc!  I'm going to go find it, and then avoid Oz for a super long time

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Summer Leagues / Re: Summer League Info
« on: April 04, 2013, 04:13:43 PM »
Jordan - I agree and understand.

This week I dished out and received a bit more criticism than what was warranted.
As info, I also started to discuss privately with Jack about the PDGA league so it wasn't displayed for all.  And for the record, I totally understand that it is Jack's deal and he can do whatever he wants with it, I am trying to help learn the process as well.

In all seriousness Jordan, you have a good point. 

Reminds me of a saying that some may have heard,

"When people say, hey Bob is a great guy when you get to know him, what they really mean to say is Bob is a @#$%, but you just get used to it."

May we all get used to each other.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 AM Worlds in Emporia!
« on: April 04, 2013, 02:13:23 PM »
Divisions are filling up fast! 3 are already full!

They haven't updated the listing, but when you go to register it says this:

4/2/13 3:45pm EST Note: The ADVANCED Master Women (FM1) division has filled.

4/3/13 11:45pm EST Note: The ADVANCED Master Men (MM1) division is almost full. The last few spots will be filled from the WAITLIST.

4/3/13 11:45pm EST Note: The ADVANCED Sr Grandmaster Men (MS1) division is almost full. The last spot will be filled from the WAITLIST.

If you would like to play, please sign up for a WAITLIST spot -- on the form below. You will be contacted by PHONE to confirm entry -- if a spot opens up. Your credit card WILL NOT BE CHARGED until we have confirmed that you are accepting the spot.

Spots are available on a first come first served basis. If you are signing up for a WAITLIST spot, filling out this form DOES NOT GUARANTEE ENTRY.

Based on demand to date, there will be people who DO NOT get in; do not make travel plans until you hear from us.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 AM Worlds in Emporia!
« on: April 03, 2013, 11:01:06 AM »
Trophy only?  Guess you should have played Am Worlds in KC in 1999.   :P


It's not trophy only.

Statement from Jeremy Rusco on this issue:

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83752

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If you are looking to win or place high in your respective division and make a personal gain by receiving additional payout, you still will! We just don’t see the need to pay out 250 of 500 amateur players. This creates mass chaos in most instances while all 250 players are trying to rush and get their payout and get on the road at the same time. We want to give you the best experience up front and for the entire time that you are in Emporia and think that we can do this without paying out half of the field.


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Our payouts are some of the best in the business and we have almost zero sponsorship dollars to put towards the events except for the Innova Champion Discs CFR fundraising program and a few minor sponsors here and there. We hosted a very successful Glass Blown Open in 2012 that featured 432 players with a hybrid of trophy only. We handed players a player pack worth approximately $175, sent them off to play three rounds of golf, and then only paid out a small percentage of the field. Most players seemed to appreciate this model. We are doing the same this year and those that place at the top will be rewarded again. This is basically the same model that we put in front of the PDGA board for our 2013 Amateur World Championships bid proposal. The bid was approved and Dynamic Discs and Emporia, Kansas were awarded the Championships with expectations that the amateur tournament model was in need of some adjustments. The PDGA was supportive and encouraging and felt like if this was the year for change, then having Dynamic Discs behind it would hopefully be the best way to bring this to the players.


Place in the top 10-20% and you'll get your payout.

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Shawnee Mission / Re: 4/2/2013 Mini - **ACE**
« on: April 02, 2013, 09:55:43 PM »
Jeez Lee - 2 leagues in 2 days?

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff
« on: April 02, 2013, 06:52:45 PM »
Look at anyone that you know that has played various divisions. 

Ken Climo-has points in Open and Masters - but it is all Pro.
Ron Convers Jr. - points in Open and Masters - but it is all Pro.

Hey, let's even look at me.

http://www.pdga.com/player_stats/80912/2012

I have points in: Advanced Masters (6), Intermediate (104), Rec (87) and Novice (15) but had a total of 212 points just barely squeaking by to receive an invitation to Worlds this year, needing 200 for Adv. Masters.  I only played 1 tournie and only earned 6 points in MM1 (actually got last place for the division), but received an invite.  If I didn't have those Novice points, I wouldn't have received an invite to Am Worlds! Fair?  I don't know.  But you can bet your sweet ace I'm playing this year.  I just know how to work the system.  Even if I am the 3rd to the lowest rated player.  I'm like the Jamaican bobsled team, or the 14th seed that only got into NCAA's because I made a lucky 3-point shot at the buzzer in my conference even though I had a losing record.  I'm going to the BIG DANCE baby!

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff
« on: April 02, 2013, 06:42:46 PM »
Points are either Pro or Am.  Point accumulation isn't by division. Jack, you didn't accumulate MPO points and MPM points, you accumulated Pro points.  Same for MA1 and MM1, you accumulated Am points.  But you still have to a report division so the PDGA can use the appropriate points factor.


Tracy is right.  I have even emailed the PDGA to verify this.  The reason why MA1 point factor is different then MM1 points is that MA1 should be harder (not age protected), therefore the multiplication factor is more.

One example, look at (don't laugh) Holly Finley for 2012.

http://www.pdga.com/player_stats/80188/2012

At the top, there are Professional Points and Amateur Points.

Her Pro points came from both Open and Open Women.  It doesn't matter, it is all Pro.

Her Am points came from Advanced (not gender specific), Adv. Women, Intermediate Women, and Rec Women.  It doesn't matter, it is all Am.

Using all 4 Am divisions she scored in, let's look at a B-Tier points factor.
Adv. 7.5
Adv. Women 4.5
Intermediate Women 3
Rec. Women 2.25

So if she beat 5 people each division, it would be 37.5, 22.5, 15, and 11.25 respectively.

Now, if she thought she could hold her own intermediate (not gender) vs. adv. women, intermediate (not gender) is a 6 vs. 4.5

So what the PDGA is saying (whether you agree or not) is that it is harder to place in Intermediate than it is in Adv. Women, actually it is 6 to 4.5 (or 33%) harder.

I geek out about stuff like this.

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff
« on: April 02, 2013, 04:05:29 PM »
Jack, from the PDGA league FAQ.

How does league scoring work for final awards and payouts? TDs can run their leagues pretty much however they run them now using best average scores, a points system, best 4 of 10 finish positions or handicaps to determine nightly and final league standings. Payouts will not be reported to the PDGA so amateurs may even get cash payouts if the TD prefers and they will not lose their amateur standing.
 


That's good stuff right there

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