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I'm in favor of requiring individuals being members in order to post in certain sections, such as Tournaments, Leagues, etc. 

Can we have a BOD member comment on the contract question - are they still current?  I was told very recently that at least the contract with KCMO has expired.

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I need to correct you.  For the Matchboxx 64, I'm the TD.  DDKC is the payout.  I will not be doing any payouts myself.  It is not me or DDKC.  It is just DDKC.  For this one event, I'm the TD for a DDKC event.

Just a question - it is my understanding that the contracts between the KCFDC and various P&R's have actually expired.

If so, the KCFDC actually has lost jurisdiction as to who can and cannot use the parks for disc golf events. 

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Still haven't seen an answer from Rob about Disc Golf World though not being allowed to redeem vouchers.


I'm fairly certain DGW isn't taking vouchers for the MAC.  What's the issue here?

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Matchboxx 64 (well hopefully it will be 72, I guess we'll see) is not a club event.  Neither is Chill at the Hill, Midwest Amateur Championships or the 2015 KC Mini Series which are also stickied under Tournaments.  I'm not positive, admitting that upfront, but I don't think the Trilogy Challenge or the Flippin' Sweat Tournament which are also stickied.

Jack - have you asked the original posters for those threads if their events are club events?  If not, why not?

Second - the answer regarding paying the club.  Please read the original post for this thread.  Your answer is there. Actually, it is also on the flyer (which I removed from this thread because this thread is no longer about the tournament) in very large font.

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Can I get an Admin to lock this thread and Unsticky it please?


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This thread makes me embarrased to be a part of the KCFDC.  Anyone else?

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Well thanks, I asked you a question and you at least answered it. Somehow I think if MK, Nova, or Crispian had asked you would have had a lot more serious well thought out answer. That's probably my fault for being a wise-guy.

Joe - I gave you a well thought out answer.  Did you read it?  Seriously, I'm asking if you actually read it because with the response you provided it makes me wonder if you took the time to read it like I requested.  Just in case you didn't, here is a condensed version:


THIS IS NOT A SHORT POST BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A QUICK EASY ANSWER ISSUE.  TAKE THE TIME TO READ AND UNDERSTAND.
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I appreciate Joe Teater (jteater) coming to my defense and supporting with the paraphrase 'dude, the guy stated the way it was...leave him alone'.  What I also read Joe to say is at some point, divisions can be so diluted that everyone is a solo player in their own division.  To which I also agree with.
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Which I come to my first point.  While I'm ok with people asking questions about this or that, when I provide the guideline for how a tournament will be ran, I would really appreciate it if people would respect me and accept it for what it is.  In some way, people are asking me to respect their particular demographic.  Please respect me and how I choose to run a particular tournament, especially realizing that I go out of my way to make every other tournament as welcoming as possible.  There are other opportunities for tournaments literally every single weekend from April 1 to Sept 30 within 150 miles of KC metro.  As a TD, it is actually problematic to find a weekend that I can host a tournament without conflicting with 2 other tournaments within 200 miles, let alone 1 tournament within 150 miles.  I'm not saying this to women; I'm saying this to every Tom, Dick, Harry and Jane. (edit: and Joe)
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To everyone reading this - please sign up early.  I know we (me too) don't like to sign up until we know who's playing or the weather, etc.  This tournament needs to fill to run well.  When you sign up, others will sign up.

Thanks.

PEACE

Joe - please follow your own advice, ok?
...Or maybe everyone can accept what he said.

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Leagues / Re: 2015 Meandering Monday PDGA League - First Session
« on: June 29, 2015, 08:57:39 am »
New stop for Meandering / Wandering PDGA League - Fox Hill Fliers.

Sign up at 5:40, tee off at 6pm.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=5700

THIS IS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY:

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NO DRUGS or ALCOHOL permitted. All violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. PLUS,BE AWARE of walking trail through parts of the course. The trail was here before the DG course and has many faithful users.


545 N.E. 106th Street
Kansas City, MO 64155

39.285446,-94.569942

Local Directions: I-435 to exit 42. Head south on N Woodland Ave. and continue for 1.8 miles to a right on NE 106 St. Fox Hill Elementary School will be on the left in around .7 miles.

Hole #1 starts by the red train caboose and 18 finishes at the caboose.

Map link:
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course_files/5700/f4c0b2bc.jpg

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Ladies - it will be Thursday at the earliest before a Ladies division will be made available online registration.

However, if you want to sign up now under Am and put in the notes "Women's division", when the sign up is fixed you will be the first ones on the list.  It will be limited to only 8 women in that division.  After 8, any additional women will need to be in the open gender Amateur division.

Thanks,

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Tournaments / Re: Maverick Disc Golf Schedule 2015
« on: June 28, 2015, 06:59:41 pm »
Updated a few tournaments in original post.

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It may take 7-10 days before women's divisions open up. They will. I'll post when they are open.
So with all that said I would like to know if you are going to have 16 spots for AM Grandmasters, and if not, why.

Because most AM Grandmasters can beat me and I'm sucking it up to play in the AM division so I think you can too. 

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It may take 7-10 days before women's divisions open up. They will. I'll post when they are open.

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THIS IS NOT A SHORT POST BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A QUICK EASY ANSWER ISSUE.  TAKE THE TIME TO READ AND UNDERSTAND.

Thanks for everyone's input.  Let's put this to rest.  I first want to provide my take on the issues brought up and then provide a solution.

This tournament is very much an experiment.  I appreciate everyone's interest in it.  I would appreciate it even more if you sign up early.  Why not sign up today, eh?

I'm curious of how this modified match play will work, and the best way to find out is to play.  I'm signed up.

Outstanding, thanks!

As I wrote in one other thread (and yet someone criticized me for - unbelievable) I wrote:

I'm ok with people asking about (whatever)...  Asking about it is ok, complaining about it...not so much.


I'm ok about Mike Krueger (MK) asking reasonable thoughtful questions.  Mike wasn't complaing, or at least I did not take it as so.  What I don't like is when people start complaining, well actually b%tching, about various stuff.  Ok to ask questions, not ok to b%tch about stuff.  Mike was asking.  I did not read it as complaining  There is way too much b%tching on this forum, myself included.

I appreciate Joe Teater (jteater) coming to my defense and supporting with the paraphrase 'dude, the guy stated the way it was...leave him alone'.  What I also read Joe to say is at some point, divisions can be so diluted that everyone is a solo player in their own division.  To which I also agree with.

I appreciate Nova's thoughtful comments and having analytical responses instead of anecdotal.  I don't read Nova's comments to be pushing a 'liberal women's agenda'.  Neither liberal or women are bad words.  This is coming from a more politically conservative white 45-year old male person.  She asks good questions that should be answered.  (By the way, there won't be any bikini golf  ;) )

This tournament will proceed if it doesn't sell out.  However, it will become cumbersome if we play with less than a full field.  It will work 10,000x better (yes, a bit of exaggeration) if it fills.  By limiting it to 2 divisions and 64 players, it would make it more manageable because the higher possibility of selling out.  I frequently enter tournaments knowing I won't place high.  In my first two years, I was happy if I simply didn't place last.  I'm not sure why it would be ok for me to feel this way two years ago, but it's not ok for other demographics to feel this way, whether old, young, novice or advanced, male or female.

Some tournaments do have very limited divisions.  For a VERY long time, the USDGC, arguably the highest pinnacle of our sport, was a 'One Division, One Champion' tournament.  Over time, they saw a need to relax their stance on it.

The original match play tournament that I was familiar with, the Players Cup, was a one division.  I was trying to tweak that tournament with some new ideas.

For all of the Maverick Disc Golf tournaments, I have opened up some divisions, even for one or a few players.  I've offered more than one women's division even if there were only two women (Centennial had one lady in Pro, one lady in Intermediate). 

The Kanza Krush had three different junior divisions when two of them only had 2 players.  Per PDGA competition rules, I could have forced them all to play one division.  Additionally, the PDGA does not REQUIRE TD's to open up divisions for less than 3 players.  I do it regularly.  As in every tournament I have hosted to date.

Incidentally, the league I run on Mondays, I open up a women's division even if only one women shows up. 

Which I come to my first point.  While I'm ok with people asking questions about this or that, when I provide the guideline for how a tournament will be ran, I would really appreciate it if people would respect me and accept it for what it is.  In some way, people are asking me to respect their particular demographic.  Please respect me and how I choose to run a particular tournament, especially realizing that I go out of my way to make every other tournament as welcoming as possible.  There are other opportunities for tournaments literally every single weekend from April 1 to Sept 30 within 150 miles of KC metro.  As a TD, it is actually problematic to find a weekend that I can host a tournament without conflicting with 2 other tournaments within 200 miles, let alone 1 tournament within 150 miles.  I'm not saying this to women; I'm saying this to every Tom, Dick, Harry and Jane.

With all that was said above in my post and others, we will open up a Womens Amateur Division.  It will be limited to 8 players.  It will be amateur, as in paid out in merchandise credit at DDKC.  If it sells out, the purse will be $200 (8 * $20 = $160 + added $40).  This is the same ratio as the Pro and Am divisions.  If it doesn't sell out, please don't presume the added cash will be pro-rated.  That has not been decided.  It very well could be simply dropped.  Again, this is an experiment.  If it sells out at 8 and there are additional women that want to play, your choice is limited to the other two divisions if they haven't sold out. 

For those interested in the Women's division, I hope you sign up earlier than later.  It will help build momentum for others to sign up making it funner for all.  Scott Reek, the Admin for the sign up link, is unavailable for awhile.  I'm not sure how long.  I would expect the women division to be open sometime in the next 7-10 days.

To everyone reading this - please sign up early.  I know we (me too) don't like to sign up until we know who's playing or the weather, etc.  This tournament needs to fill to run well.  When you sign up, others will sign up.

Thanks.

PEACE








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And, by the way, Rob and I like each other.

I like you too Crispian.  You're fun.  And nice.  And I want your Grip EQ bag.  That is all.

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Water Works / Re: Thank You!!
« on: June 27, 2015, 11:07:36 pm »
I just want to say thank you to all of you who have gone out and are going out to waterworks today to clean up after the big storms!!! We lucked out in Olathe, I think. I only saw one major issue--a downed lightpole a mile or so from my house. Thanks again!!

Second best post I've read this evening.

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