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General Banter / Re: Cicadas
« on: June 08, 2015, 07:59:35 AM »
It's kind of weird in Lawrence.  Very prolific in west Lawrence.  I live in the SE corner and you can barely hear or see them.

Leagues / Re: 2015 Meandering Monday PDGA League - First Session
« on: June 07, 2015, 07:04:20 PM »
6/8 P Hill. Sign up starts at 5:30, tee off no later than 6

Jack - bugger off.  I wasn't talking to you and I wasn't referring to Nova's comments as complaints.  I was referring to a guy that I had a conversation with this past weekend because a $16 per person payout from a $35 entry fee, was too low even though I gave players a $48.50 player pack which resulted in a net $64.50 payout per person on a $35 entry.

As usual, Mr. Lowe spouting his mouth off not knowing what the converstation is.  But then, I've come to expect that from Jack.

Leagues / Re: 2015 Meandering Monday PDGA League - First Session
« on: June 03, 2015, 09:17:02 PM »
Monday, 6/1 is updated.  Let me know if something is off.

Leagues / Re: 2015 Meandering Monday PDGA League - First Session
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:18:36 PM »
Got it,
1. Long pad to short blue by pond.
2. Long pad to only.
3. Long pad to gold.
4. Long pad to short blue.
5. Long pad to long blue.
6. Long pad to stump long blue
7. Long pad to only.
8. Long pad to short blue.
9. Only
10. Long pad to gold.
11. Long pad to only.
12. Long pad to blue.
13. Long pad to long blue.
14. Long pad to long blue.
15. Long pad to long blue not by water
16. Short pad to gold.
17. Long pad to long blue in woods.
18. Long pad to gold.

Leagues / Re: 2015 Meandering Monday PDGA League - First Session
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:00:45 PM »
For Monday 6/1 at Bad Rock - can I get someone to give me the run down of tees to basket combos that were used?


I missed this the first time I read through:

Don't recall what your payout was.  $10 - $12?

$0, because I was the only one in my division. That's why I asked about the Tick Flick.

I screwed that up.  I owe you a $10 credit.  I posted this during the day from work and then checked when I got home at night.  Intermediate payouts for that tournament should have been $9/person with a $10 min.

I'm ok with people asking about payouts, in the rush at the end of tournaments this is an area I can mess up in.  Asking about it is ok, complaining about it...not so much.

I'm sorry Nova - remind me for the $10 voucher next time please.

908 would be the White division

General Banter / Re: Births/deaths/marriages/anniversaries
« on: June 02, 2015, 07:12:01 PM »
I like good news.

Discussion on the Tick Flick page moved towards ratings and divisions.  Big Blue Monster will be a Ratings Based event.  An example of one can be found here:

Instead of Pro, Advanced, Men, Women, Juniors, Grandmasters, it is just ratings.

All 850 - 900 players will play together regardless of gender or age.

All 935 - 970 players will play together regardless of Pro or Amateur.

All sub 800 players will be grouped together.  You get the idea.

There will be one entry fee (probably $20 however subject to change) for all divisions so I can move people to their appropriate division.  You are allowed to move up but not down.

There will be a couple of exceptions to accommodate those that want cash instead of merchandise credit.

If you want actual cash, you must play Blue or Gold.

See here for divisions:

If you are a PDGA member, if you accept cash, it is the same as accepting cash in any other PDGA event.  It will alter your Amateur status.

If you are not a PDGA member, I may restrict you from not registering for Green and Purple.  I'm still thinking about that one.

This is still very much in the planning stages still other than date and name.


While we are on the subject of rating and divisions, the Big Blue Monster event in November is a Ratings Based tournaments instead of a Division Based tournament.

This tournament is an example of a Ratings Based:

For more discussion on Ratings Based, we can move the discussion to the Big Blue Monster thread.


Flyer updated

This will be a Ratings Based (not Division Based) event.

EDIT - 11/9 Updated player meeting on flyer

I will never call someone a sandbagger that is playing a division for which their PDGA rating allows them to.  Conversely, if someone is playing a division below their rating - per PDGA guidelines - they will be moved up whether they want to or not.

PDGA rating guidelines:

Amateur Women:

Advanced: Any, required for 825+
Intermediate: <825
Recreational: < 775
Novice: <725

Nova, your four rounds that are listed on the PDGA website would average 691.

I'm only using your numbers as an example since you're asking.

Using me for example, my rating is 831.  Men's Novice is <850 and Men's Rec is <900.  I'm a solid Novice player.  I have NO problem playing Rec because of it regardless of what people may say.  I play my rating and when I feel like it, I may occasionally play above my rating but only because I want to.

I only point this out to those that may be reading, because while peer pressure at times can be good to push people to play up, I think as a group, disc golfers push to much and use the 'sandbagger' word a little too liberally.  The tour division Rating Requirements are to help us decide appropriate divisions to play in.  We shouldn't expect players to exceed a division for which they want to be in.

Is there a minimum number who must enter in an intermediate or advanced division to trigger a merch payout?

I am already paying out 100% of entry up front.  After my costs are covered, I'll be able to go over 100% of entry.  You can count on at least a 100% payout.  Sorry, I'm not divulging what my costs are, hope you understand.

In reality, I already do this.  Kanza for example - your entry was $22.  You received a disc with retail value of $15 - $17, plus a Innova Mini Driver, retails for $4.  Don't recall what your payout was.  $10 - $12?  What you didn't see is the PDGA registration fee, PDGA per-player fee, etc., that I pay for.

So, if there is only 1 Intermediate Rec Women - it will be $20 payout.  If more than 'X', it may be more than $20 per person.  'X' has not been fully decided upon. 

Sorry if I lead on too much.  This is the first tournament where I'm not providing an upfront player pack and forwarding all of it to payouts.  Trying something different, including an across-the-board $20 Amateur entrance fee.

Less than 2 weeks away.  Inexpensive tournament, only $20 for Ams, $32 for Pros.  Juniors under 19 - $17, Juniors under 14 - $15.

McLouth has 9 new holes making a total of 18.  Varies from tight tunnels, low ceilings, right, left and wide open.  Designed by Scott Reek.

For player packs - all players will receive a bottle of all-natural, non-DEET Carolyn's Dirty Water Bug Repellent.

Juniors and Rec will receive a voucher at least equal to their entry fee to get whatever they choose.  Possibly higher vouchers if attendance is good and PDGA registration fees are covered.

Intermediate and Advance will have no player pack with 100% (or more depending on turn out) going to payouts (merchandise credit).

Pro's pay cash.

Pre-registration -

Day of registration is fine, but pre-registration really helps to get the tournament set up.

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