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Tournaments / Re: 2013 AM Worlds in Emporia!
« on: April 04, 2013, 02:13:23 PM »
Divisions are filling up fast! 3 are already full!

They haven't updated the listing, but when you go to register it says this:

4/2/13 3:45pm EST Note: The ADVANCED Master Women (FM1) division has filled.

4/3/13 11:45pm EST Note: The ADVANCED Master Men (MM1) division is almost full. The last few spots will be filled from the WAITLIST.

4/3/13 11:45pm EST Note: The ADVANCED Sr Grandmaster Men (MS1) division is almost full. The last spot will be filled from the WAITLIST.

If you would like to play, please sign up for a WAITLIST spot -- on the form below. You will be contacted by PHONE to confirm entry -- if a spot opens up. Your credit card WILL NOT BE CHARGED until we have confirmed that you are accepting the spot.

Spots are available on a first come first served basis. If you are signing up for a WAITLIST spot, filling out this form DOES NOT GUARANTEE ENTRY.

Based on demand to date, there will be people who DO NOT get in; do not make travel plans until you hear from us.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 AM Worlds in Emporia!
« on: April 03, 2013, 11:01:06 AM »
Trophy only?  Guess you should have played Am Worlds in KC in 1999.   :P


It's not trophy only.

Statement from Jeremy Rusco on this issue:

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83752

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If you are looking to win or place high in your respective division and make a personal gain by receiving additional payout, you still will! We just donít see the need to pay out 250 of 500 amateur players. This creates mass chaos in most instances while all 250 players are trying to rush and get their payout and get on the road at the same time. We want to give you the best experience up front and for the entire time that you are in Emporia and think that we can do this without paying out half of the field.


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Our payouts are some of the best in the business and we have almost zero sponsorship dollars to put towards the events except for the Innova Champion Discs CFR fundraising program and a few minor sponsors here and there. We hosted a very successful Glass Blown Open in 2012 that featured 432 players with a hybrid of trophy only. We handed players a player pack worth approximately $175, sent them off to play three rounds of golf, and then only paid out a small percentage of the field. Most players seemed to appreciate this model. We are doing the same this year and those that place at the top will be rewarded again. This is basically the same model that we put in front of the PDGA board for our 2013 Amateur World Championships bid proposal. The bid was approved and Dynamic Discs and Emporia, Kansas were awarded the Championships with expectations that the amateur tournament model was in need of some adjustments. The PDGA was supportive and encouraging and felt like if this was the year for change, then having Dynamic Discs behind it would hopefully be the best way to bring this to the players.


Place in the top 10-20% and you'll get your payout.

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Shawnee Mission / Re: 4/2/2013 Mini - **ACE**
« on: April 02, 2013, 09:55:43 PM »
Jeez Lee - 2 leagues in 2 days?

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff
« on: April 02, 2013, 06:52:45 PM »
Look at anyone that you know that has played various divisions. 

Ken Climo-has points in Open and Masters - but it is all Pro.
Ron Convers Jr. - points in Open and Masters - but it is all Pro.

Hey, let's even look at me.

http://www.pdga.com/player_stats/80912/2012

I have points in: Advanced Masters (6), Intermediate (104), Rec (87) and Novice (15) but had a total of 212 points just barely squeaking by to receive an invitation to Worlds this year, needing 200 for Adv. Masters.  I only played 1 tournie and only earned 6 points in MM1 (actually got last place for the division), but received an invite.  If I didn't have those Novice points, I wouldn't have received an invite to Am Worlds! Fair?  I don't know.  But you can bet your sweet ace I'm playing this year.  I just know how to work the system.  Even if I am the 3rd to the lowest rated player.  I'm like the Jamaican bobsled team, or the 14th seed that only got into NCAA's because I made a lucky 3-point shot at the buzzer in my conference even though I had a losing record.  I'm going to the BIG DANCE baby!

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff
« on: April 02, 2013, 06:42:46 PM »
Points are either Pro or Am.  Point accumulation isn't by division. Jack, you didn't accumulate MPO points and MPM points, you accumulated Pro points.  Same for MA1 and MM1, you accumulated Am points.  But you still have to a report division so the PDGA can use the appropriate points factor.


Tracy is right.  I have even emailed the PDGA to verify this.  The reason why MA1 point factor is different then MM1 points is that MA1 should be harder (not age protected), therefore the multiplication factor is more.

One example, look at (don't laugh) Holly Finley for 2012.

http://www.pdga.com/player_stats/80188/2012

At the top, there are Professional Points and Amateur Points.

Her Pro points came from both Open and Open Women.  It doesn't matter, it is all Pro.

Her Am points came from Advanced (not gender specific), Adv. Women, Intermediate Women, and Rec Women.  It doesn't matter, it is all Am.

Using all 4 Am divisions she scored in, let's look at a B-Tier points factor.
Adv. 7.5
Adv. Women 4.5
Intermediate Women 3
Rec. Women 2.25

So if she beat 5 people each division, it would be 37.5, 22.5, 15, and 11.25 respectively.

Now, if she thought she could hold her own intermediate (not gender) vs. adv. women, intermediate (not gender) is a 6 vs. 4.5

So what the PDGA is saying (whether you agree or not) is that it is harder to place in Intermediate than it is in Adv. Women, actually it is 6 to 4.5 (or 33%) harder.

I geek out about stuff like this.

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff
« on: April 02, 2013, 04:05:29 PM »
Jack, from the PDGA league FAQ.

How does league scoring work for final awards and payouts? TDs can run their leagues pretty much however they run them now using best average scores, a points system, best 4 of 10 finish positions or handicaps to determine nightly and final league standings. Payouts will not be reported to the PDGA so amateurs may even get cash payouts if the TD prefers and they will not lose their amateur standing.
 


That's good stuff right there

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 AM Worlds in Emporia!
« on: April 02, 2013, 02:39:33 PM »
Wow,

where did that thread go on why people join KCFDC?


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Tournaments / Re: 2013 AM Worlds in Emporia!
« on: April 02, 2013, 02:13:57 PM »
Thank you for commenting Slant.

Move along.


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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff
« on: April 02, 2013, 02:12:45 PM »
Makes sense, just giving my 2 cents.

I wonder if the FAQ League Questions are out-dated from 2012?

This link:

http://www.pdga.com/documents/divisions-ratings-points-factors

is effective 1/1/13 and it lists League points has being half of C-tier points and that they are accumulated on a weekly basis.

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General Banter / Re: Why did you join the KCFDC?
« on: April 02, 2013, 11:58:13 AM »
Part of the club is the leagues.

I've never been a fan of leagues.  Not a fan of the, 'pay your dues' mentality.  I joined a disc club, not a fraternity.

Played league in Lawrence and wasn't overly impressed. 

Played couple of times at Swope and was a little more impressed just because Van has it nailed down.

This PDGA league that Jack has, I'm digging it.  While the kinks are still being worked out, for me it is worth the league buy-in even if I don't win any KC Kash.  When I do win, it is totally a bonus - but not a reason to play.

Maybe a possibility to grow the KCFDC, and/or grow the commitment level of those that are members, is to explore more PDGA leagues.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 AM Worlds in Emporia!
« on: April 02, 2013, 11:39:08 AM »
235 registrants
504 appears to be the cap

46% filled in 5 days.

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff
« on: April 02, 2013, 11:12:03 AM »
Note: points are per week, not for the whole season.

Actually, this makes it more interesting.
First week, I would get only 2.5 pts because I was the bottom.
However, for 2nd week, I should get 5 pts because I beet Ryan.

Jack - maybe Kevin McCoy has some advice, etc., on how this is posted?  Maybe my posting above,

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At first I thought it ranked all those that played 5 rounds together, than ranked those that played 4 rounds, etc., but this isn't quite the case.  In Adv, first guy played 6 rounds, second place played 4 rounds, third place played 5 rounds.

has more to do with how many people you beat each week then how many rounds you played.  This would make way more sense. 

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff
« on: April 02, 2013, 11:10:40 AM »
Wait, you can accumulate points at these?  What is the point scale? Are they classified as C-tiers?


Yes you get points.
No they are not C-tiers
They are a step below C's.  See last column.

http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/2013-divisions-ratings-points-factors.pdf

if that don't work :

http://www.pdga.com/documents/divisions-ratings-points-factors

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff
« on: April 02, 2013, 11:03:58 AM »
Yeah, I have no idea how it works, but I think there is something missing.

For instance, let's say Jason Gillow never plays again in Advance.  Since he had one round at +20, or 21 whatever it is, does he take First Place, along with the points, compared to Andy, Ryan and I even if we play every round?  Or how about he ends up playing 4 rounds, but some other guy only plays 2 rounds, shouldn't Jason get more points then the other guy?

This league posting is interesting.  Not sure if it is correct, but check out the placements, points, etc., particularly in Adv and Int.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/91919

At first I thought it ranked all those that played 5 rounds together, than ranked those that played 4 rounds, etc., but this isn't quite the case.  In Adv, first guy played 6 rounds, second place played 4 rounds, third place played 5 rounds.

Probably read this, but just in case: Introduction to PDGA Leagues:

http://www.pdga.com/leagues

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If you want to ask questions about the PDGA league please feel free to visit the PDGA DISCussion Boards where I will be answering questions or email me directly at Kmccoy@PDGA.com


In my mind, if a guy plays 'Open' he's MPO.  If he wants to play Am - then he plays AM and is only entitled to funny money and not actual hard currency.  Just my opinion, you're the TD.

Only commenting to help you work through the learning curve.

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I thought I read in another thread they were Mach III

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