Great discussion gentlemen and I understand need for both.
I am a first year player and began at PC before the changes. It was very challanging and yet fun for a beginner. The changes made last spring made playing very frutstrating for me and other beginners/rec players. At first I considered not playing there anymore or just skipping 12-16 because 13,14, 15 were just such hard work (mostly because of digging out discs in thorns and poisen Ivy and because I could keep out of it). I know several folks and see many more who just skip 12-16 everytime they play.
I think there are plenty of "tough" courses. I have only played BV a few times because I end up exhausted and frustrated. I love Cliff . . . now, becuase I appreciate the variety of play and challange. First time out, I only liked it because I got a birdie on 2.
I think it is important to have the challenge for the pros, but how many pros do we really have in town? Enough to justify cost and expense for long hard courses specifically for the pros?
Probably best is to have two or more tee pads. Mark one Pro and make it as tough as you want. We can still play short tees and learn. When we are ready we can take the challenge of the long tees. (I still like playing short at PC 2, cause I might get a bird or hit chains! Can't get close to island from long tee. . . yet.)
A bit off the subject . . .
Another idea, that I would be willing to put some energy and time into is more beginner leagues. I have played several leagues where there are only one or two divisions. Either way, me and several in my level end up donating $5 or $10 to Advanced and above players. Even the "am" groups play 5-10 strokes better than most folks who play Rec division at tourneys. (I do really like playing with much better players . . . I play better and learn leaps and bounds when I do . . . thanks for letting me play with you all.)
Or maybe some leagues that play Cali or modified scoring rules. (muligans up to three for every stroke over par or