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Well Frank was convinced he was never playing Golf again. I talked him into holing out after he received a warning from our group. So no measurable score reduction for him. I did however beat him that round and the next..
Cliff Drive is about a sketchy as it gets.
#4 at Cliff is considered the worst hole in Disc Golf by Matty O. fwiwwim
#3 at Blue Valley (BIG) is better than #3 at Cliff....though #3 at Rosedale always seems to have my number, and I used to love it more when it was freshly chipped with pine needles in the past (many moons ago), I also love the risk/reward on PC and SMP for #3...long at Swope on #3 is very good as well....Down Under #3 in the long placement is TOUGH, and when people get 2's there, it screams excellence.
SO #3 is a toss up in my mind.