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General Banter / Re: Pay to play in KC
« on: July 07, 2013, 06:03:19 PM »


I think more than anything it just shows what a well-funded parks department can accomplish.



General Banter / Re: Pay to play in KC
« on: July 07, 2013, 05:52:54 PM »
Wanted to say thank you for everyone's input, suggestions, and feedback.  I know things that are out of the norm can sometimes bring a host of feelings (both good and bad), but I look forward to the opportunity to explore what a pay to play system could mean for our city and its courses.  Who knows, this could be the worst idea I've ever had and may prove non-beneficial for all of us, AND I am completely fine with that outcome if it is the best for KCFDC, our local players, and the greater community.  Conversely, we may stumble onto something in our searching that unlocks potential that we didn't know was there, and to that, I would be fine with as well.  I look forward to meeting more of you as I continue to play at a couple of the leagues out my way, and I also look forward to more conversations about ANYTHING that may advance our sport in this fine city!

General Banter / Re: Pay to play in KC
« on: July 05, 2013, 06:22:54 PM »

You have been on this board 5 months, and you want to do a feasibility study to make some of the courses that are already built and in use, to convert them to pay to play. I say BS.

Allow me to introduce myself formally.  My name is Perry Martin, I moved from Chicago (lived there 13 years) to KC (Olathe) exactly 1 year ago this month.  I have 3 boys (5 through 11 yrs of age) and I have been married for 13 years.  I found the sport of disc golf 5 years ago, and like many of you, fell in love with it my first time out.  I love this game, this city (which is originally my hometown), and like you want to maximize the true value of what we have been blessed with...which is potentially the greatest concentration of top level disc golf courses of any greater metro area in the U.S. 
I am sorry that I've only been commenting over the last 5 months, but over the last year I have been trying to re-establish my family in a new home, new community, new schools, and all of this through a career change.  I am now trying to find myself a "place" within the Kansas City disc golf community where I can enjoy the sport and where I can also leverage some of my personal talents if they were to ever be welcomed, needed, or beneficial so that I can be a small part in advancing disc golf in KC. 
I am sorry for your cynicism; if we were to have met personally I would hope that you would see me as someone who has a genuine desire to work WITH those who are already a part of the disc golf scene in our city, not against them.  I can not help the amount of time that I have lived here and the amount of time that I have been able to contribute on this forum.  I do however hope that I can find a niche, a place to settle in, a place to contribute that leverages my personal talents that may add to the strength of the greater disc golf cause in Kansas City. 

General Banter / Re: Pay to play in KC
« on: July 05, 2013, 11:05:44 AM »
Are there any KCFDC board members that frequent the sight that would be open to some serious exploration into a 2-3 course pay to play system?  I am willing to partner with a group of individuals to do a feasibility study and a comparison study of other pay to play courses to see if this might be something that benefits our disc golf community.  Or maybe a valid study has recently taken place?  I would love to see the data that was gathered for that if at all possible for learning purposes. 
I would like to say that I have no bias as to what courses would be suggested for this type of system, I only have a bias towards creating better disc golf for our city. 

General Banter / Re: Pay to play in KC
« on: July 04, 2013, 09:44:46 AM »
Sounds like you need an Independence Day hug Mr. Hyzer :-* (of course from someone more appropriate than me).  If i'm not mistaken the courses that are pay to play in Mpls. (other than Blue Ribbon Pines) are state/gov. owned so there was no need to go out and buy a private piece of land and build a new course.  The p&r that maintains the parks grouped 3 parks together and charges $35 for a year long pass (for unlimited play) on all 3.  If $35 was all it takes to create the type of environments I personally witnessed, than sign me up!!  I am sure that their local dg club works hand in hand with these parks (on various levels) but the $35 paid by its players holds these parks in direct accountability to keep these courses in excellent playing shape. 
I do not take offense to your statement "just throw money at it and let someone else do the work".  I believe I understand where you are coming from in saying that.  My experience in life tells me though that when a system gets to large to properly maintain and advance itself with excellence, than it is time to adjust the system.  We (and by this I mean all of you who have poured countless hours/months/years into Kansas City disc golf) have done an incredible job to grow this sport into what we enjoy today, however, I believe it is time to inject more strength and more resources into our disc golf community to facilitate a renaissance of our older tired courses.  We are falling behind other metro areas in how we run and maintain our courses and if we are not careful we could see our wonderful courses get bypassed by the pdga and NT events in the near future.  I do not want to see this happen for a plethora of reasons.

General Banter / Pay to play in KC
« on: July 03, 2013, 07:42:00 PM »
In honor of independence, freedom, and Murican rights  :) I thought it would be good timing to introduce a subject that I don't hear much talk about in these here parts....PAY TO PLAY.

In my limited travels to play dg (only played in 11 states, 81 courses) I have encountered nearly a dozen courses that were pay to play.  One thing seems to stand out as I play these courses...they are NICE.  Always trimmed/mowed, trash free, ivy/oak/sumac are under control, great tees/baskets/signs, most had some form of small disc shack where you could purchase your day pass/drinks/discs, landscaping and hardscaping features that bring beauty/function/challenge into play, little vandalism that I've noticed, ability to track who plays, accountability because of the ability to track who goes in and out of courses, and the list could probably go on.

I'll cut to the chase.  I love KC.  This is my hometown and I take great great pride in what some would consider one of the better metro areas in the entire country for dg.  However, I am genuinely concerned that our system for advancing and maintaining our courses is falling behind the times.  While you will be hard pressed to find a more engaged and motivated club in the entire country, I am wondering if perhaps a new system could leverage all of this dedicated club member energy and hard work ethic (as well as our partnerships with multiple townships) to help take our courses to the next level.  IMHO, and it pains me to say this, our courses (both old and new) need help, and we are quickly falling behind other metro areas around the country. I'm not talking about the kind of help that says "Let's have a work day" or "everyone do their part and pick up trash as you play".  I'm talking about help in the form of a pay to play system and all that this could do for the maintenance and upgrades that our courses desperately need.  As an example, I recently traveled to the Twin Cities and I was extremely impressed with every single course that was pay to play (which was 7 courses that I personally played).  The level of detail from cleanliness, upgrades, aesthetics, facilities, course grooming etc. was truly impressive and I found myself being jealous (not in a bad way, but in a way that made me really want this level of excellence and professional appearance in my hometown).  With this level of (all the attributes I listed above) applied to the incredible courses we have in KC we would have THE BEST COURSES of any metro area...hands down.  For those of you who have played Bryant Lake and Blue Ribbon Pines in Mpls., could you imagine that level of detail and attention applied to Water Works?  Absolutely makes WW's a top 5 course in the country without debate (and if people debate that I'll take their knees out).  Or what about Kessler, Wyco, Legacy, and the list could include many of our outstanding courses in KC? 

So, without rambling on and on, I just wanted to throw out some of my initial thoughts to perhaps give legs to what I feel is an important forward thinking question...Can KC (especially some of our crowning jewels) become pay to play?  What barriers need to be overcome to bring a level of excellence to our courses that rivals, wait, BLOWS AWAY every metro area in the country?  We are blessed with a great dg community as well as geological topography that is a gift from God (if you believe in one  ;) ), now, how can we make this hands down the best disc golf metro area no questions asked!

Please allow me to reiterate, this conversation has nothing to do with the past (because quite frankly, our dg community has an incredible storied past that takes us back to the pioneer days of the sport) but instead, it has to do with a deliberate executable system that enables our great dg club and board to elevate our courses into the top tier of courses in the world...once again.

Thank you for any discussion/opinions that you may have.  Happy 4th of July to everyone!!!

Lakeside Hills / Re: Pads
« on: June 27, 2013, 01:05:37 AM »
All the above would be wonderful!

General Banter / Re: Perry Lake Question
« on: June 27, 2013, 01:03:19 AM »
Thank you for the info Ted, this is good news!  I will do a full body application of appropriate tick ointment and make the trip on friday, can't wait to play it!!!!

General Banter / Perry Lake Question
« on: June 26, 2013, 05:58:42 PM »
Hey gang, sorry if there is a better place to post this, I am a little unsure where questions like this are best asked.  I am wanting to go to Perry Lake on friday june 28th but want to make sure that it is playable (as far as mowing upkeep and the heavy tick situation).  Has anyone been very recent, and if so, how would you describe it's current condition?  Thank you for any insight.  I don't want to make a 45 minute trip if it is not being maintained and playable. 

Lakeside Hills / Re: Pads
« on: June 26, 2013, 05:49:10 PM »
In an email conversation with the parks assistant director Monday morning, he said they hope to start constructing boxes by July 1. He also said he has some other enhancements in the works for the course.   8)

Please share these "enhancements" if you can!! ;D

Lakeside Hills / Re: Pads
« on: June 25, 2013, 10:42:24 PM »
Drove by late this evening and didn't see any new pads or prep for pads.  I'm patiently waiting ::) and hoping they magically get put in before the end of July.  I have 8 buddies flying in from all over the country for 4 days of non-stop dg and I was hoping to put this course on the list but if there are no pads it will not make the cut.  I will be pretty bummed if we can't play Lakeside!!

« on: June 07, 2013, 04:22:12 PM »
Speaking of shaggy courses....look no further than Lakeside Hills.  Shaggy, swampy, tick infested......

Only if you don't play the fairways!!   ;D

I'm working on getting the DR out there for holes 10 & 11.  Other than those, holes 3,4 & 16 are bad if you miss the 70' wide fairways...

Agree fully.  For this being the very initial season of play at Lakeside I feel it is in stellar condition.  It's honestly playing a little better than I expected this early in it's existence.  Olathe P&R is keeping it mowed real nice and the little tweaks that have been taking place over the last month or so have only made it better.  Now, if only we could get that freakin' practice basket back in it's rightful spot!!  Thieves are dumb >:(

Found and Lost / Re: I lost my precious pinky!
« on: June 06, 2013, 07:40:50 PM »
I know you all were sweating bullets wondering if i'd ever get 'pinky' back  :o ...welp, I found her today.  She was hunkered down in the tall stuff right were I thought she would be. 

« on: June 06, 2013, 03:29:43 PM »
Top 5:

1.  Water Works
2.  Blue Valley
3.  Cliff
4.  Woodhenge
5.  Wyco

Honorable mention (way more interesting conversation IMO)

-Lakeside Hills (Lake Olathe) (Birdland)
-Pleasant Hill
-SMP (it's always peaceful, well kept, family young one's love this course)

Most over-rated courses in KC:

lol, I wouldn't touch this subject with a 10 ft pole.  But, you know I'm looking at you...course that I think is WAY over-rated.

Found and Lost / I lost my precious pinky!
« on: June 04, 2013, 01:12:21 PM »
While playing leagues at Lakeside (Birdland) on Monday 6/4/2013 I lost my precious pinky to the right of the pin (eastside), in the long stuff on hole #16.  She is a pink Force w/ white lettering and I just bought her a week ago.  Needless to say I am sad and already miss her.  She does not have my name and number on her but I would appreciate it if the kind soul who finds her will give me the opportunity to reunite with her.  Please pm me if you find it and karma will quickly find its way to you!  Thanks ;D

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