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Lakeside Hills / Re: Lakeside Hills aka Birdland is OPEN!

« on: March 14, 2013, 10:33:22 AM »

What cave have I been shut in? I had no idea this was even going on.  Overhead view looks like a good layout, elevation too, cool.  That's an abandoned ball golf course, yes?  I look forward to playing it once those first few mows have been done.  Great effort in making happen DB's!

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Barter Town / Re: [WANTED] Older Stiff Chalky DX Rocs

« on: March 14, 2013, 09:51:39 AM »

Ian, I have one of the grey 25th KCWO Rocs. Throw a few times, with one road scuff on it.  I am not at all attached to it.

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WYCO / Re: Post tourney round

« on: March 12, 2013, 03:57:19 PM »

Sure those are my two courses. I am down with the west side! Don't have to jack anyone to get my colors do I.

$25 for you for shirt and entry.  What size shirt?

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

« on: March 12, 2013, 01:01:29 PM »

• Active KCFDC club members and KC region residents.  (this is loosely enforced. it's basically in place to prevent bringing in ringers from outside the area.)
• I thought about reducing the requirement for women to just 1, but decided that is lame. We just need to get the ladies excited about taking part in this fun event. So again for 2013, 2 women per squad is required.
• I will be reducing the number of required masters aged players from 4 (in 2012) to just 3 this year.
• Each captain gets a spot.
• That means there will be 10 unrestricted spots on each team.
• 5 starting spots on each team can be hand picked by their captain.
• No lottery required for starting 16, but one lottery for an alternate spot must be used
• Each team is recommended to carry 2-3 alternates.  Alternates can be used at will to start any round. (within class restrictions)

West Side qualifiers: 

• Final scores at the 2013 Kan-U-Wyco, 3 invitations will be offered for unrestricted players and 2 for Masters (40+). (declined invites will go to the next best score in that class).
• Five invitations will be offered for the top scores at Summer league mini at Water Works on May 9th; 3 unrestricted, 1 masters and 1 woman.
• 5 Captains picks for starting line up. Plus....

I will be doing the West side Captains picks and alternates selections after the final qualifier at WW.   

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General Banter / Re: Masters

« on: March 12, 2013, 11:03:51 AM »

I'm not opposed to all added cash going to the Open purse.  It might encourage the Masters age players capable of cashing in Open to play their.  Now that I qualify as a Grand Master, go ahead and nuke the Masters division. 

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WYCO / Re: Post tourney round

« on: March 12, 2013, 10:27:56 AM »

When is league starting for the summer

Officially start is April.  But I told Travis if he's itching he can start any time. But Timko hasn't provided him with the LD packet yet. 

Nick (assuming you're Nick Parks  ), you earned a spot on West Side team. Are you in?

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General Banter / Re: Masters

« on: March 12, 2013, 10:17:25 AM »

wyco results from Saturday: 11 open players in the filed and first place takes $337. 12 masters players in the field and first place takes $320. That's with added cash to the tournament. Masters paid the same entry fee as Open players - $60. So, in fact, the Open field DID get the majority of the added cash though their field was smaller. Was that fair?

Before the event, Scott briefly explained to me how he distributes the added cash. Simply put, he applies a proportionate amount based on entries in each division.  If you go back and do the math; that appears to be exactly what was done. Open paid $74.27 per entry, Masters paid $74.16, per entry and Grands paid $74.33 per entry.  The variance in cents is probably due to rounding (paying out in whole dollars). Anyway, it looks like proportionate distribution to me. 

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

« on: March 11, 2013, 12:42:14 PM »

I'm in.  Nick does live on the Kansas side also.

Cool, thanks Joe. Welcome to THE team!

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

« on: March 11, 2013, 12:16:34 PM »

Which side of the border does Nick Parks reside? (I think KS)

Same question about Bobby Villarreal? (also KS?)

I ask because both have earned a spot on the West side team, if they are KS residents, based on Wyco results, as follows:

Open (3 spots) (in/out?)
1) Ken Franks (?)
2) Nick Parks (IN)
3) Joe Hesting (IN)
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4) Cooper Arnold

Masters (2 spots)
1) Marc Wisby (IN)
2) Bobby Villarreal(?)
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3) D. Loomis

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th

« on: March 11, 2013, 11:56:32 AM »

Hint for anyone chasing ratings:  Play in events(pools) with as many high rated players as possible.......
Simply put, disc golf ratings is a flawed system.

Yes, hence why playing a course in the morning during the Wide Open in the pro pool, will have higher ratings than an advanced pool on the same course with almost identical conditions.  The ratings of the people that you are playing with determine more than your actual play.

That being said though, playing where you are comfortable and feel competitive is probably more important in the long run.  Hence my decision to return to the Am side, that and I enjoy being able to choose which divisions I want to play, and having all options open......

I didn't mean to recommend playing way out of your division.  But if one consistently did, their rating would rise over time, even if their game never really improved.  The converse is also true, if you want your rating to drop, play in events with as many low rated players as possible.

In reality, since ratings are a jacked up mess ignore them. Play the division you feel comfortable with and enjoy playing in. Do your best and forget the rest.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th

« on: March 11, 2013, 11:22:59 AM »

When I enter scores in, I'm only selection course layout, not conditions.  When I submit the official report I will mention those conditions, not sure what that changes though

As far as I know, the weather has nothing to do with the ratings.

Correct, the only thing that matters on the ratings is the other players rating playing.  If the others playing have a high score, the ratings are adjusted accordingly.  So if a 1000 rated player shot 48 for a 1000 the first round and then they shot 52 for a 1000 the second round, it is based off of all the other players with PDGA ratings.  It will self adjust slightly as it becomes official though.

So though weather doesn't change, the PDGA also doesn't "manufacture" ratings based on the weather and alter them.  It is based solely on a mathematical formula.  THe harder the course is scored by the people with ratings already the harder the ratings will be.  If 4 1000 rated players all shoot that 48=1000 in round one, and then shoot 52 in the afternoon, everything will be skewed by four strokes on the afternoon round.  So the weather plays a part only by the score from the players playing.  It doesn't change the ratings criteria because it rained, or because they have another event that was used earlier. 

Think about it in KC, we have one of the few places in the world where we have 3-5 placements on every freaking hole.  Based on that how would the PDGA be able to determine each hole specific to each course, unless we as TD's turned in each location......it doesn't happen.....

Weather only affects the ratings because it affects the entire field's score.  It is with that notion that weather affects the ratings, but not altering the ratings based on the weather.....

Here's the kicker; in Jack's example of a 4 stroke difference between rounds by the same four 1000 rated players, conditions weather wise could be exactly the same from round to round.  But those 4 players all simply shoot less well from one round to the next.   Assuming the exact same layout and no noticeable change in weather conditions, the course "should" rate the same, but it doesn't, because the rating is not based on the course or the conditions, it's based on how well or not player "seeds" played the course/conditions.

Hint for anyone chasing ratings:  Play in events(pools) with as many high rated players as possible.  You might get whooped on, but I guarantee you'll get higher rated rounds than if you shoot the same score on the same course under the same conditions playing with lower rated players.

Simply put, disc golf ratings is a flawed system.

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WYCO / Re: Post tourney round

« on: March 11, 2013, 10:57:50 AM »

Tracy, I'll try to make it. Working in Topeka today, but should get done early.

Harold, my post was for yesterday at 3  I played a round in the drizzly cold wind, then pulled flags and took down the fence on #13.  I'm probably not going to get out there again 'til this Friday (70˚) or Saturday.

Note: the OB paint will remain 'til the first mow of season, which is usually mid April.  Enjoy!

Are you surprised you didnt get any takers? WyCo broke all of our hearts, and ran us out in the cold rain and snow.

Not really, Utz.  But I thought I'd toss it out there, in case anyone was itching to take another shot.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th

« on: March 10, 2013, 06:00:03 PM »

I see a lot of the same names on the results for both DDKC events this weekend.  Ironmen!

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kan-U-Wyco - March 9th

« on: March 10, 2013, 05:56:26 PM »

To insure that the weather and the wolves will not be an issue next year I say we move the whole event inside.

Perhaps instead of soccer and ball fields, we can convince Cerner to build an inflatable dome over the entire course.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kan-U-Wyco - March 9th

« on: March 10, 2013, 01:42:49 PM »

By the way, thanks to the each of you that took the time to say thanks for the work I put in on the course. The encouragement keeps me motivated to do it again each year. Also, thanks to Harold and Joe (others?) for shoveling tee pads so they'd be clear for practice rounds. Same goes for anyone that took a moment out of their practice round to move some branches to the piles next to the road. Thanks to Travis D for moving baskets in the rain during our short lunch break. 

I'm going out to the course at 3 today, if anyone wants to join me for a tourney layout round before I pull down the fence.  Then I'll be looking forward to next year when maybe we'll all be able to Wyco completely.