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Tournaments / Kansas City Team Challenge - 2015
« on: June 01, 2015, 09:45:32 am »
The annually anticipated Kansas City Team Challenge is once again upon us!  Schedule of all match play rounds as follows:

Saturday, June 6th, hosted by the Kansas Side at Lakeside Hills, Olathe.
Format: Alternate Shot doubles - pairing draft at 9:30am.  The 1st card of rolling start to tee off by 10:00am.

Sunday, June 7th, hosted by the Missouri Side at Stocksdale Park,  Liberty. 
Morning round format: Best Shot doubles - pairing draft at 9:00am.  The 1st card of rolling start to tee off by 9:30am.
Afternoon round format:  Singles -  pairing draft will begin approximately one hour after final card of morning round is complete. 1st card of rolling start to begin 30 minutes after draft start.

Captains Steve and Joe, please bring print outs (at least 16 copies) describing any and all OB's and special rules to be played on your hosted course.

WYCO / Re: league on tonight, 5/29/15?
« on: May 29, 2015, 12:54:48 pm »
I missed last week because of an emergency.  I'll miss this week for my sons soccer game.  Probably won't be there next week either; in preparation for the Team Challenge.

Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: OB lines and rules
« on: May 27, 2015, 02:46:58 pm »
If there is a question it should be a group is this any different from a normal round/league?  This isn't a sanctioned event.

No it is not sanctioned, but the Team Challenge is not exactly league night casual either.  I just want everyone on both sides to be perfectly clear what the rules are going in. That way no one on either side can call BS because someone has to make things up on the fly. 

I am certainly not saying the OB tall grass can't be used.  It is totally up to each captain to play the course of their choosing, in the setup of their choosing.  Joe has already told me that he will likely use "tall grass" OB rules at Lakeside, if there is a good defined mow of the fairways prior to the event.  As TD, it doesn't matter to me either way if added OB is used or not. It's not a problem.

However, 'tall grass" will take a little extra effort to define how to make fair and consistent calls across all cards. In most cases it will be obviously in or out. I was just asking for information so it can be made clear to everyone how calls should be handled in the "close call" situations.

Anyway, thanks kujo for the information.  I will be ready to explain to the players how to make the close calls.

Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: OB lines and rules
« on: May 27, 2015, 09:00:20 am »
tall grass OB

Are all of these areas clearly marked and definable and/or without a doubt identifiable?  If not physically marked with paint, string or such, what constitutes "tall grass?"  6", 12", 18"?   I assume Steve is going to use this layout for the Team Challenge, June 7th.  As TD of the event, I'd like to know how all these OB's will be defined so that they are called out clearly prior to the event. That will help resolve, in a fair and consistent manner, any disputes, that may arise during the event.  If Steve isn't going to use all these added "tall grass" OB's, then the matter is moot.

WYCO / Re: League results for May 8th, 2015
« on: May 14, 2015, 12:44:12 pm »
The course has received a fresh mow.  The league ace fund is at $428.  Come get yourself some Friday evening Wyco.  Start time - 6:00.

WYCO / League results for May 8th, 2015
« on: May 13, 2015, 11:29:43 am »
1-Shanan Carson    56  $12
2t- Jamie Barry61$4.50 (owe)
2t- Tyler Ast61$4.50 (owe)
4-Tracy Walker62
5-Jeff Hoglund63
6-Tony Todd66
7-Adam Richter74

General Banter / Re: East Side TEAM page
« on: May 13, 2015, 11:13:23 am »
17-Island-750-Par 5 (Go to DROP zone if second Shot is NOT on island, must be on ISLAND or DZ)

Just noticed the comment for playing #17. According to that, you can't layup short or to the right peninsula on your second shot.  You're required to go for the green.  That's incorrectly explained, yes?

If the result of a throw is determined to have gone out of bounds closer to the pin than the Drop Zone, then go to the DZ. Otherwise play normal OB rules.  Once you establish a lie on the island green, play normal OB rules.

General Banter / Re: East Side TEAM page
« on: May 13, 2015, 10:55:20 am »

Please be figuring out how many shirts you need to order.  Getting that to me by this time next week would be great.  May 25th at the absolute latest. Sooner the better to ensure our provider can get your shirts in stock and printed in time.


WYCO / Re: 5-1-2015 First League
« on: May 01, 2015, 09:14:29 am »
The course is freshly mowed. 

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: March 30, 2015, 03:45:12 pm »
Trying to finalize Meandering Monday league for first session.  Do we know what courses are being used for this event?

We won't know 'til the captains make their announcements. That probably won't happen 'til just after they have their tentative rosters set May 24th.

So question:
I currently live in Missouri, but moving to Kansas prior to tournament. Born in Lawrence so I guess that makes me more of a Kansas guy historically. Technically tied for Kansas qualification at Rosedale and will do best to qualify for MO. But are there any rules/precedents on this?

The whole historical,  where your heart is, thing was shot down last year.   You  can only play for the team on the side which you live.

So what's the residency cut-off? It could be set as the date of the event.  But I think the fairest thing to do, for the captains, is to put the cut-off at 2 weeks prior to the event.  That is when tentative rosters are supposed to be set each year.  Where you reside, on that date, ultimately determines which side you're eligible for. This year that date is May 24th.   

I think it logical that if you qualify for one side, then move to the other side of the line, your spot on the moved-from team doesn't travel with you. 

Babbit, Joe would have to determine what he'll do about the tied for spot. But begs the question; do you have to live on the side when you qualify for that side? 

General Banter / Re: PDGA Ratings Update
« on: March 25, 2015, 11:32:01 am »
I think those official ratings are dropping a lot more because the pools are being combined when they become official.  SMP Frostbreaker for example:  The pro/adv pool is being lumped in with the Int/rec pool, that played on 2 different days; one being 50 degrees and the other 0 degree wind chill.  I believe that is why ratings dropped 20 points.  Wyco and Rosie will do the same.  Happened last year the same way.

This *shouldn't* happen, as each is a separately registered event.   But who knows, maybe the events are submitted together?  (I don't think it's possible). 

Anyway, I suggest not to put too much faith in the ratings system.  But you're free to believe if you must. 

As mentioned already, a more accurate way to get a handicap would be to implement a hole by hole, placement by placement rating system.  I sort of do this every time I play at Wyco so I can compare one round to another, no matter where the pins are set. But to do it on a full scale across all courses everywhere would be a mammoth undertaking. First to determine accurate understandable standards. Then to educate local course coordinators to properly evaluate each hole/placement. Then a system of how to report individual rounds and calculate their handicap would have to be put in place.  Not infinitely impossible, but unlikely to get done.

General Banter / Re: PDGA Ratings Update
« on: March 25, 2015, 10:24:35 am »
I have been saying this since its inception. The system is intuitively broken; basing ratings on how other rated players scored that round is inherently flawed.  It is what it is; clever statistical munging that gives an approximation of skill relative to one another. 

Can't guess why unofficial and official results would vary, other than they are using two different formulas. No wait, another guess; they update ratings, then run the entire system again based on the new player ratings. That is probably it.

Tournaments / Re: 2015 Kan-U-WYCO March 14th-15th
« on: March 13, 2015, 09:47:24 pm »
When will the course be set up back to it's original layout after the conclusion of Rd 2 on Sunday?

The OB and added mandos will be pulled immediately following the end of the event on Sun. afternoon.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: March 10, 2015, 10:39:43 am »
Hmmm, I am sort of on the fence about this.  From the event organizing side, I want the starting hole to be near parking, facilities (if available) and such.  Most courses have a few places that would fit fine.  I just don't want to have everyone wandering off to say, hole #5 at Cliff Drive as the starting hole. On the other hand, I continue to want to give Captains flexibility.  That actually outweighs my event organizer preference.  If Steve and Joe agree that captains should be allowed to designate "Hole 1,"  I'll amend the rule, as such. With an unofficial caveat that when doing so the captain considers convenience and location relative to facilities when making their "Hole 1" choice.

Agreed, I would not want to start at an inconvenient location...but we have a lot of courses that offer up several starting holes close to the main parking area.

I actually agree with joe in that I believe we should be able to designate hole 1

Thanks Steve

Ok, then, thanks for resolving that quickly.  I'll adjust my local copy of the rules and work with Kevin to have the forum post corrected to match. 

Order of play:
All matches in each format will begin on hole #1 and will play in the order created by the draft selection process.

Will be amended to...

Order of play:
All matches in each format will begin on a single hole designated by the host Captain and will play in the order created by the draft selection process.

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