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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kan-U-Wyco - March 9th

« on: March 03, 2013, 03:03:47 PM »

Nope, the mando is your disc must pass to left of the marker to prevent throwing over the trees directly at 7's teepad.

 Take that cheater tomahawk/thumber throwers...... 

Heh, yeah a nice side effect.  But you know both Mandos are put in place for safety; protection of another tee area.  In these cases on 4 to protect tee 7 and on 11 to protect tee 12.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kan-U-Wyco - March 9th

« on: March 03, 2013, 10:09:09 AM »

Like right forcing that little tunnel?

Nope, the mando is your disc must pass to left of the marker to prevent throwing over the trees directly at 7's teepad.  The anny (lefty hyzer) bomb is still available.

Note:  No drop zones for the mandos. If you miss either mando, take a one stroke penalty and throw again from the tee.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kan-U-Wyco - March 9th

« on: March 02, 2013, 04:02:22 PM »

Readjusted to Scotts latest plan; no added holes, one ghost card. 3, 11, 14 and 18 are all possible ghost card starts. But in my opinion, 14 will be the best hole to ghost card from. Once the start card gets around the pond, the ghost card can tee off.  The card on 13 shouldn't finish before the ghost on 14 starts.  Even if a little backup eventually forms on 14's tee, they can provide spotter help for shots onto the fenced in green behind them.

#1  - Long Left (534') -> Short right (401') 2nd round.
#2  - Long (~625' - from google earth ruler tool) (OB added on left)
#3  - Left (555')  -> Right (519') for 2nd round.
#4  - Right (480') (Mando just off the tee)
#5  - Short (246')
#6  - Short (296')
#7  - Long right (549')
#8  - Short (286')
#9  - Left (445') -> Straight (462') (no OB)
#10 - Extra Long (680') (OB added on right)
#11 - Short (410') (Mando 2nd tree)
#12 - Short. (291')
#13 - Long (789') (OB and guarded island green added)
#14 - Dam (525')
#15 - Normal (330')
#16 - Left (465')
#17 - Middle (610') -> short (453') for 2nd round.
#18 - Straight (381')

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WYCO / Re: Kan-U-Wyco course prep list

« on: March 02, 2013, 01:51:40 PM »

Thanks Joe Teater and Jeff Oz for helping clear off teepads 1-8 and 18!

Cool. thank you guys.

Heading out there in a bit to move some baskets.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kan-U-Wyco - March 9th

« on: March 01, 2013, 03:50:19 PM »

So much for visuslizing the course as it has been the last five years. Will we be throwing from tee pads for the extra placements?

What does that mean?  I am not removing any existing holes from the layout.  Wycos 18 will each be played.

Grass tee boxes will be painted and flagged for identification of the temporary tees. Because of all the snow still on the ground, but hopefully melted soon, the course is going to be a bit sloppy all over. 

Funny thing is, people are moaning about added holes. However, come lunch time next Saturday, all the moaning will be about and how tough 10 and 13 are.   "gotta an bleepin' Snowman," "stupid OB," "bleeping fence", etc etc.      Warms my devilish heart.

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WYCO / Re: Kan-U-Wyco course prep list

« on: March 01, 2013, 12:44:58 PM »

There is enough land out there and we have enough temp baskets around town, why not just create an entire second 18 to the north of hole 14, across the road? Then the field can expand, and there would be no waiting?

Yep, that idea has been tossed out there in the past.  No action though. We're still in hibernation before the daylight saving time change over.  Move the event to summer time and we might get some traction (though we'd first have to get approval from P&R to even use the space temporarily).

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Memorial

« on: February 28, 2013, 04:53:50 PM »

Tracy, would you like to chime in about ratings creep?

But seriously? A 44 on a par 60? They play a different game than most of us can imagine.

Laughs, yeah ratings creep, 1200's here they come!

44 on that layout is freakishly good.  But par 60?  imo, 1000 rated should reflect par; so 58.  But just looking at the overhead layout at FH, 54/55 looks more accurate to me. *shrug*  But that's with me counting holes as partial pars. There are a some 2.5's and even some 2.25's on that course.  I can't see elevation change nor do I know the prevailing winds there.

But no one looks at a course that way but me.  If you look at the layout for Wyco next weekend and set par the same way they did at FH, Wyco (with 2 added holes, both par 3s) would be par 68.  But I'll call it par 62. With lighter winds than recent years, 60 is my prediction for 1000 rated 1st round at the K-U-W

Side note: I watched an interview with Jack Nicklaus where he stated his opinion on the juiced up modern golf balls.  He believes they should be dialed back so 10's of thousands of courses could once again become relevant in the sport. It refreshed my thoughts on speed limited disc events.  No, not Super Class.  But limit to say disc speed 9 or less.

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WYCO / Re: Kan-U-Wyco course prep list

« on: February 28, 2013, 03:54:06 PM »

I call BS. But what do I know....  We resisted adding temp holes at this tourney for years and I don't agree that "support growth of interest in competition locally" is a valid reason. Events are going to fill, period. Are they going to make 18 hole courses 20-24 holes very time they get a great response to an event?

For the record, those were my words, not Scotts.  Anyway, this may be the only year a couple of holes are added.  For the future, Scott said he is already considering splitting the most popular events into two fields; Pros/Advanced on one day and all other divisions on the other.  I'd be all for that as I am more loathe to five-somes than I am to adding holes. 

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WYCO / Re: Kan-U-Wyco course prep list

« on: February 28, 2013, 01:55:29 PM »

URGH-ghost cards?

Still an Urgh, but it is with extra holes now.......

I mentioned to Scott that I don't particularly like to add holes, but that I understand wanting to support growth of interest in competition locally.  As such, 2 additional holes will be added. 

Weather is really messing with my plans for preparing the course.  I may have to take a day off on Friday to get everything done in that window of opportunity.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kan-U-Wyco - March 9th

« on: February 25, 2013, 11:58:24 AM »

I am hoping to have the course layout out in a few days and should be in place by this weekend

see new post with hole details.

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WYCO / Re: Kan-U-Wyco course prep list

« on: February 22, 2013, 12:02:18 PM »

The snow storm threw quite the monkey wrench into my plans.  I was hoping to get the broken pins replaced this weekend.  Not happening.  My availability next weekend will be limited as my son is playing in a Basketball tournament.  I don't know his schedule yet.  But as soon as I do. I'll post a time when I'd like to get out the course for that pin work.  Everything else will have to be done as I can get to it during the week before the event.

Scott is expanding the event to 100 players.  We could probably ghost card on 11 and 14 as holes 10 and 13 will generally have two groups on them.   However, ghost carding is discouraged by the PDGA. As such Scott and I are going to walk the course next week to figure out how/where we're going to squeeze in two alternate holes.  My ideas would use the space north of the pond to add two holes between 14 and 15. Anyway, we'll post in the event forum the final 1st round layout, once it has been determined. 

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Beginners / Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie

« on: February 22, 2013, 09:48:27 AM »

You're exactly right, which is why it's more of a loophole than strict rules.

Because you're right, I could take a stance in a corner like that without standing OB, but a player might use that rule to their advantage to get closer to the basket.

The rule does support the loophole.  Fortunately, none of us carry 1m sized drafting compasses in our bags to precisely intersect, bisect and perpendicularize our lie to every nearby OB plane 'til it exactly conforms to 802.03 D in those rare corner situations. 

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Tournaments / Re: SMP Frostbreaker - Shawnee Mission Park - Feb 17th, 2013 - C Tier

« on: February 04, 2013, 01:53:04 PM »

I just signed up for MPM. But if there are Pro Grands interested in forming a division, I'll switch over to MPG.

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WYCO / Kan-U-Wyco course prep list

« on: February 01, 2013, 12:49:02 PM »

Listing below what needs to be done on the course before the Kan-U-Wyco on March 9th. 

* [DONE] Walk course with Scott (Friday)
* [DONE] Move pins to first round positions
* [FAIL]Replace bent placement on #2 long  (Mother Nature didn't cooperate)
* [DONE] Bring temp pin for long 2 (Saturday morning)
* [DONE] [anyone on the course] Course cleanup; dead branch and trash removal (Thursday/Friday)
* [DONE] [Tracy] Paint and flag OB for #2, #9, #10 and #13 (Friday afternoon)
* [DONE] Make Mando signs and put them up (Friday/Sat AM.)
* [Tracy] Move #2 basket to #12 long for temp hole 12a (Saturday morning)
* [DONE]Bring temp basket for putting practice near shelter (Saturday morning)
* [Tracy] Put up notes on 12 and 14 tee signs (Saturday morning)
* [DONE] Construct the island barrier for #13  (early Saturday morning)
** [DONE] Get posts (got 10 X 4' uPosts)
** [DONE] Get barrier material (Got 100' of construction safety fence)
* [DONE] Cleanup the whole gig. See you next year!

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

« on: February 01, 2013, 12:15:30 PM »

Based on the experience we had last year when finalizing the teams with lottery and captains picks, I am going to slightly adjust the makeup of the squads.  Below defines team composition:

• Must be active KCFDC club members and KC region residents.  (this is loosely enforced. it's basically in place to prevent bringing in ringers from outside the area.)
• I thought about reducing the requirement for women to just 1, but decided that is lame. We just need to get the ladies excited about taking part in this fun event. So again for 2013, 2 women per squad is required.
• I will be reducing the number of required masters aged players from 4 (in 2012) to just 3 this year.
• Each captain gets a spot.
• That means there will be 10 unrestricted spots on each team.
• 5 starting spots on each team can be hand picked by their captain.
• Each team is recommended to carry 2 alternates.  Alternates can be used at will to start any round. (within class restrictions)

Rough draft of West Side qualifiers:

• Final scores at the 2013 Kan-U-Wyco, 3 invitations will be offered for unrestricted players and 2 for Masters (40+). (declined invites will go to the next best score in that class). Last year I balked at using PDGA events as qualifiers.  But with Wyco hosting the Saturday dubs round of the Team Challenge, I think it appropriate to award some spots for those capable of playing well on the tourney setup.
• Four invitations (3 unrestricted, 1 masters and 1 woman) will be offered for top scores at the regular Summer mini event at Water Works May 9th