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Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: April 26, 2016, 03:50:32 PM »
Jack is correct,  the concept of "starters" doesn't apply here.  The 16 players selected from the pool of available players (up to 21) for each team for a round comprise each team's squad for the current round.  None of those players can be substituted out, during the current competitive round, like in sports with a traditional "starting" line up. 

That said, each captain is free to favor players that made the team via qualifiers over captains picks, or not, based on player availability, situational strategy, or whatever.

WYCO / 2016 Wyco League Fridays
« on: April 18, 2016, 12:39:45 PM »
Beckett said he would be posting info.   Maybe he meant on facebook or something.  But FYI, Wyco league is at 6:00pm every Friday. Be signed up by ~5:50.  There is an optional $5 side pot that will pay out the top third of the group that opts in.  This side pot is in addition to the usual league entry/payout structure.

Leagues / Re: 2016 Regular league Season
« on: April 06, 2016, 02:29:39 PM »
Cade, Utz,  no worries.  It is kind of confusing trying to say what league costs are succinctly.  When I couldn't find record for fee increase in board minutes I kind of figured it was just a matter of wording.  But wanted to make sure.  thanks guys.

Leagues / Re: 2016 Regular league Season
« on: April 06, 2016, 11:01:14 AM »
Ok, Cade, Utz, and Kujo confirmed. This little table is correct.

Status League Cost    w/Ace pool  w/PDGA    w/Ace pool & w/PDGA   
Club Member  $4 $5 $5 $6
Not Club Member      $5 $6 $6 $7

Note: Status of membership is based on currently paid up dues or not.

Leagues / Re: 2016 Regular league Season
« on: April 06, 2016, 10:07:34 AM »
Posts in other areas of the forum support increase in entry fee theory

$5 for entry, $1 to optional Ace Fund ($267)
non KCFDC members please pay an extra $1

5$ entry, 6$ for non club members. Optional 1$ Ace fund.
Starts first Sunday in April.

But if I read this correctly league entry is $4 for club members at NE league(that is $5 minus 1$ for club member discount)

Ace=$1 (optional)
Total=$7 (there is a $1 discount to current KCFDC members)

Payout at Monday's PC league, hosted by Cade, supports $4 entry with 13 players in Open and payout of $39.

Payout yesterday at Blue Springs also supports no increase in entry fee with 12 players in and payout of $36 total.

But I don't know what people actually paid to get into either of those.

I don't really care if the fees have increased or not. Just looking for clarity.  Are individual league directors able to bump fees at their discretion?  Because, again I don't see any evidence a league fee increase was approved.

Leagues / Re: 2016 Regular league Season
« on: April 06, 2016, 09:27:47 AM »
From Cade's schedule there, league entry went up a dollar?  Last year, 1$ to club, $3 to payout, plus $1 to optional ace fund and $1 if you aren't a club member.  From Cade's post league is $5, I assume $1 to club $4 to payout.  Or is he assuming every entry will elect to pay into ace fund?

Is Cade's post a typo?  If not, where can the "paper trail" for increasing league fees be found.  I looked at recent board minutes and didn't see anything about increase in league fees.

I'm guessing it's just a misunderstanding how to advertise:

If it's like last year and no increase has been approved and we assume you're a club member, then league breaks down as follows.

League Cost is $4 (1$ goes to the club and $3 go into the payout pool)
non-club members pay $1 extra, which goes to the club
plus optional $1 ace pot entry
plus optional $1 PDGA (even if it's a PDGA league, you're not required to participate in that, 50 cents to PDGA and 50 cents to the club, right?)

General Banter / Re: Distance Record Smashed...Again!
« on: March 29, 2016, 12:08:50 PM »
I've no proof for this assertion, but I believe that there is incredible skill to be able to project the disc high enough to take advantage of the wind, and of course, angling the disc optimally for massive distance. I would hazard a guess that the same guys and gals who are setting records would hold the records in an indoor setting, if and when we can find a venue for this.  While I believe that Tracy's "hurricane" scenario makes some sense, I will continue to argue that just not anyone can throw a disc far in high winds.

The official word now is the wind was closer to 40MPH, and disc weighed in at 154.

Absolutely, it takes skill to throw for distance down wind.  But the end result is still not a true measure of human performance. (note: there are indoor records that can be found from links in the original article, apparently someone threw inside an aircraft carrier.   8) )  But we don't need indoor, completely windless competition.  Outdoor records set under a certain allowable wind speed could be done.   But I guess that won't happen 'til that 100mph+ wind competition, where as Stork pointed out to get maximum distance the competitors would actually angle their throw up "into" the wind, occurs and sets the "event" unbreakable.  Or start doing proper wind limited measuring now and be able to track record progression for as long as there is disc golf discs.  The wind aided measurement actually does the big bombers disservice.  I want to know who can actually throw farthest, not who is the luckiest one to get a great wind gust. Don't you think they do too?

General Banter / Re: Distance Record Smashed...Again!
« on: March 28, 2016, 03:30:07 PM »
I wonder what the legitimate record might be? (with wind under, say, 5mph)  Somewhere under 700ft, 600ft?   

The eventual problem with the wind aided system is that at some point, a competition, somewhere, is going to get into a situation where 1100ft will be silly short.  And from then on the record will stand as an unbreakable "event."   Like the MTA toss in 1984 mentioned by Stork in the article   

It's much more interesting to figure out and maintain a wind speed threshold system so that we can see the true distance record and a progression of it based on improved skill and technology over time.  It would not be as difficult to manage as Stork would have you believe.

General Banter / Re: Distance Record Smashed...Again!
« on: March 28, 2016, 02:46:22 PM »
Apparently, Simon Lizotte's distance record of 903 feet, set on Saturday, has been pulverized today by David Wiggins, who reportedly threw a 150-gram R Pro Boss 1,109 feet. WTF?  As the wind may have been howling at close to 60 MPH (on the ground), the naysayers will be back in force.

saying nay!  Sports that legitimately track human efforts of throwing objects have windspeed thresholds to keep the record fair. 

Here's the thing with disc golf disc tossing records.  Someone will eventually put on and event in an area that "can" get hurricanes.  They will regularly schedule the event at that location during the hurricane season.  Then one year, there will actually be a hurricane during the event and the new disc golf disc distance record will be truly obliterated.  Ok, yes that is an extreme case.  But it goes to show how non-legitimate the current records are when wind aided tosses are allowed.  You don't even have to wait for a hurricane, there are many know extremely windy places on the planet that someone wishing to claim the record could simply schedule an event at.

It's cool that a disc remain aloft for over 1100 feet.  But it's natures record, not David Wiggins'.

WYCO / Re: work at Wyco
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:49:09 AM »
Fantastic stuff out there JP3 and L.O.F.T.!

I had an opportunity to play Wyco this past weekend.  Great improvements for erosion control. The crushed asphalt around tees and benches will really help those areas from degrading further.  Nice to see hole #4 in the woods playable again.  Well done on the stairs down to the pin there.  #7 short is a more inviting hole now with the log-cut framed in mulched green. Framed up and asphalt filled step off of #8 tee was also much needed. Mulch on #11 right will be very helpful for those hot incoming up shots. Not sure how long the mulch off the tee on #18 will stick around, as that is a major wash out area. But it will be good for this weekends event for sure.

Thank you John and Mark for getting those improvement projects done!

p.s. Reminder to others reading this, please pick up fallen branches and larger sticks during your casual rounds. Set them by the road, anywhere along the hole, and the Parks Dept. will haul it away.  It's a simple effort that doesn't take anything away from your game. It really does help keep the course aesthetically pleasing, safer and more enjoyable to play.

The posted date conflicts with posted day of the week. Is it on Sunday or is it on Tuesday?

This tournament is out in the middle of damned nowhere, so if you don't pack a lunch, it's a seriously good idea to eat the Hog Holler BBQ lunch.

 I get it, support the local place to keep in good graces. But just so ya know, it's not all that isolated out there.  :) For the tourney there last fall, I wasn't in the mood for a pulled pork lunch. So I drove 10 minutes to Oskaloosa. Several options there. If you're pressed for time, Ozawkie is closer with a Casey's General store.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 10, 2016, 03:10:10 PM »

To simplify matters, it turns out I qualify with no exceptions needed. The rule was to be a KCFDC member and to live within a 50-mile radius from the confluence of the Missouri and Kansas Rivers, right? I'm in there.

Heh. Nice.  Yes, you're in range for this event, Nova. I remember doing that Google maps work to figure out how to get Amanda "in" for East side year one.  I didn't mean to imply that you were out and would have to get a KevMo exemption.  I was calling you out as a valued volunteer and community member. As such, part of the only group I feel should ever be considered for any sort of special treatment.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 10, 2016, 02:35:33 PM »
The gender, women, is the interest group, :) at 51% (W) vs 49% (M).  But in context of the disc golf community, JoeT is correct. At 8% of PDGA members, women are a special interest group.  I personally hope that percentage continues to climb, because it is sadly low.  Just curious Jack, what are the club membership numbers for women?

In January, when the 2016 event came onto our radar, Jack reached out to me for my opinion about adding women back into the mix.  The crux of my statement to him, Joe H and Zeke was that I don't think any particular group should be entitled to spots on the teams.  I continued that if the captains and TD felt there are enough women truly interested, in the event, that each side would have several players battling for spots, then and only then should they consider adding women back to the fold.  I believe Joe's proposal that spots must be earned by qualifying against others, that those spots are not just handed out to fill a roster requirement, reflects that opinion.

Do I think masters or older men will stop playing disc golf because they are not guaranteed spots on a team?  No.
Do I think the population growth of women's disc golf in the area will cease if they are not guaranteed spots in the KCTC?  No.
Do I think including women in the KCTC is the right thing to do under the right circumstances? Yes.

That all said, Nova, it's club members like you, that put in many hours of their own time to help with club activities.  Those that make the club and its events the successes they are, in my opinion, are the only ones deserving of special consideration for spots in the KCTC.  (another KevMo exception reference.) 

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