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The posted date conflicts with posted day of the week. Is it on Sunday or is it on Tuesday?

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 10, 2016, 03:10:10 PM »

To simplify matters, it turns out I qualify with no exceptions needed. The rule was to be a KCFDC member and to live within a 50-mile radius from the confluence of the Missouri and Kansas Rivers, right? I'm in there.

Heh. Nice.  Yes, you're in range for this event, Nova. I remember doing that Google maps work to figure out how to get Amanda "in" for East side year one.  I didn't mean to imply that you were out and would have to get a KevMo exemption.  I was calling you out as a valued volunteer and community member. As such, part of the only group I feel should ever be considered for any sort of special treatment.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 10, 2016, 02:35:33 PM »
The gender, women, is the interest group, :) at 51% (W) vs 49% (M).  But in context of the disc golf community, JoeT is correct. At 8% of PDGA members, women are a special interest group.  I personally hope that percentage continues to climb, because it is sadly low.  Just curious Jack, what are the club membership numbers for women?

In January, when the 2016 event came onto our radar, Jack reached out to me for my opinion about adding women back into the mix.  The crux of my statement to him, Joe H and Zeke was that I don't think any particular group should be entitled to spots on the teams.  I continued that if the captains and TD felt there are enough women truly interested, in the event, that each side would have several players battling for spots, then and only then should they consider adding women back to the fold.  I believe Joe's proposal that spots must be earned by qualifying against others, that those spots are not just handed out to fill a roster requirement, reflects that opinion.

Do I think masters or older men will stop playing disc golf because they are not guaranteed spots on a team?  No.
Do I think the population growth of women's disc golf in the area will cease if they are not guaranteed spots in the KCTC?  No.
Do I think including women in the KCTC is the right thing to do under the right circumstances? Yes.

That all said, Nova, it's club members like you, that put in many hours of their own time to help with club activities.  Those that make the club and its events the successes they are, in my opinion, are the only ones deserving of special consideration for spots in the KCTC.  (another KevMo exception reference.) 

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 10, 2016, 10:09:27 AM »
Just for the record, this event did not start as "the best of the best". It has become an elitist event. Having to play in PDGA rounds to qualify for a local club event is ridiculous IMO. We should have spots for over 50 players and over 60 players. Without them, we wouldn't have the KCFDC. On the shoulders of giants, standing we are. Let's act like it.

E, yes, it is an elitist (that's not a bad word)  event. It was fully intended to be the best of the best, from the beginning. First proposed and organized as best of open, best of masters and best of women.  The Kansas City Team Challenge (that's the correct name of the event), is the only elitist event in the area. There are a plethora of events either directly club hosted or held on club courses that are come one come all.   Take away the elitism, of the KCTC and it just becomes another of many events catering to the masses.  The event would then lose its prestige and luster and eventually just fade away, because there is no prize money or coveted players pack to lure players.

You don't "have" to play in a PDGA event to qualify for this. In fact, there are rules restricting how many players can be pulled from PDGA sanctioned events.  All the other spots on each team come from non-PDGA events. If the spots for the women come from the Diva Feeva, that is probably the right call. As the best of the best women from our area really should be playing in that event.

If we want to recognize, in some way, the giants of our community, in association with this event.  Offer them a Captain spot (player or not).  Not unlike the Ryder Cup does or the NFL Pro Bowl does.   If their team wins, their name will go on the trophy, with the players, to be honored for all time. 

Leagues / Re: 2016 Regular league Season
« on: January 05, 2016, 04:19:43 PM »

WyCo--Looking for help running it this year again, Beckett has stated he will do quite a bit, but looking for those that will help when he can't
Beckett would be great running this league and after the first couple of leagues he will have the backup he needs, and I believe Mark said he would step in from time to time to cover a league night.


I told Mark, at the end of 2015 league season, that I would be willing to help part time, in 2016,  as well. We should be good to continue the tradition of Friday league at Wyco.


Last minute decision, may or may not come out.  But if I do, where is everyone parking?  The little lot for the course certainly isn't big enough. Overflow at Hog Holler?



WYCO / Re: Last league of the year
« on: September 25, 2015, 09:39:31 AM »
Cloud cover is likely to linger, particularly to the West, blocking the setting sunlight.  Daylight will fade fast.  That said, bring a glow light or two, just in case, for the last few holes this evening.  I'll dig up some extras.

General Banter / Re: Why I don't go to Wyco league
« on: July 13, 2015, 10:03:32 AM »
Mark, I've just been busy with other things.  Life happens.  Anyway, I'll most likely be there this Friday.

Barter Town / Re: Ranger or Grip Bag Wanted
« on: June 12, 2015, 10:57:36 AM »

Better yet.

No Lat64CAMO?  It's the KCWIDEOPEN for goodness sake.  Since the players pack may be of less subsistance compared to DD GBO, ante~ up!!!

Better yet, rather than playing disc golf tournaments for the stuff, don't. 

Instead of getting what an event organizer chooses to hand out to you, for your entry fee, go to the disc golf retailers and buy the stuff directly from them.  You'll get exactly what you want and will actually save money doing so.

Tournaments / Kansas City Team Challenge - 2015 Final results
« on: June 07, 2015, 06:28:53 PM »
West Side wins their 3rd Kansas City Team Challenge in a row in a well fought battle with the East Side, who clawed their way back into contention during the Sunday matches.

Best Shot Doubles:
1 - (W) Chris N. / Justin S. vs(E) CD S. / Ryan K.A/S
2 - (W) Peter B. / Isaac H.over(E) Zeke H. / Anthony M.3&2
3 - (E) Mike T. / Jake B.over(W) Tracy W. / Steve T.3&1
4 - (E) Frank W. / Jamie B.over(W) Arturo V. / Kelly B.3&1
5 - (E) Shanan C. / Dave V.over(W) Marc W. / Pete C.3&2
6 - (W) D. Loomis. / Justin A-T.over(E) Jay C. / Kevin W3&2
7 - (W) Bobby V. / Dick P.over(E) Greg U. / Steve D.2&1
8 - (E) Jose O. / Bowen S.over(W) Joe H. / Cooper A.1up
West - 3.5  vs   East - 4.5

1 - (E) Ryan K.over(W) Pete C.3&2
2 - (E) Anthony M.over(W) Steve T.3&2
3 - (E) Mike T. vs(W) Bryan G.A/S
4 - (W) Lee K.over(E) Zeke H.8&6
5 - (E) Frank W.over(W) Cooper A.1up
6 - (E) CD S.over(W) Justin S.1up
7 - (E) Dave V.over(W) Chris N.8&6
8 - (E) Shanan C.over(W) Kelly B.5&3
9 - (W) Isaac H. vs(E) Bowen S.A/S
10 - (W) Bobby V.over(E) Jake B.7&5
11 - (W) D. Loomisvs(E) Jose O.A/S
12 - (W) Dick P.over(E) Jamie L.5&4
13 - (W) Arturo V.over(E) Greg U.4&3
14 - (E) Travis C.over(W) Tracy W.4&3
15 - (W) Joe H.over(E) Matt C.3&2
16 - (E) Steve D. vs(W) Just A-T.A/S
West - 7.0  vs   East - 9.0

West - 16.5  over   East - 15.5

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: June 06, 2015, 03:07:02 PM »
Rained heavy prior to the round. But by start time the rain had stopped and weather was excellent for the first round of the Kansas City Team Challenge. 

Anthony Martella had the shot of the day on hole #1 (10th hole of this match) by bombing in his teams 2nd shot from near the pond for a 2 to win the hole.

Results of round 1:

1 - (W) Bobby V. / Kevin Z. over(E) Dave V. / Jamie B.5&3
2 - (W) Peter B. / Justin S.over(E) Jamie L. / Bowen S.1up
3 - (E) Ryan K. / CD S.over(W) Kelly B. / Pete C.3&2
4 - (W) Joe H. / Justin  A-T.over(E) Zeke H. / Anthony M.3&2
5 - (W) Chris N. / Nick W.over(E) Frank W. /Greg U.1 up
6 - (W) Isaac H. / Bryan G.over(E) Matt C. / Jose O.4&3
7 - (E) Mike T. / Jake B.over(W) Arturo V. /Cooper A.  3&1
8 - (W) D. Loomis. / Marc W.over(E) Shanan C. / Travis C.5&4
West - 6  vs   East - 2

Tournaments / Kansas City Team Challenge - 2015
« on: June 01, 2015, 09:45:32 AM »
The annually anticipated Kansas City Team Challenge is once again upon us!  Schedule of all match play rounds as follows:

Saturday, June 6th, hosted by the Kansas Side at Lakeside Hills, Olathe.
Format: Alternate Shot doubles - pairing draft at 9:30am.  The 1st card of rolling start to tee off by 10:00am.

Sunday, June 7th, hosted by the Missouri Side at Stocksdale Park,  Liberty. 
Morning round format: Best Shot doubles - pairing draft at 9:00am.  The 1st card of rolling start to tee off by 9:30am.
Afternoon round format:  Singles -  pairing draft will begin approximately one hour after final card of morning round is complete. 1st card of rolling start to begin 30 minutes after draft start.

Captains Steve and Joe, please bring print outs (at least 16 copies) describing any and all OB's and special rules to be played on your hosted course.

WYCO / Re: league on tonight, 5/29/15?
« on: May 29, 2015, 12:54:48 PM »
I missed last week because of an emergency.  I'll miss this week for my sons soccer game.  Probably won't be there next week either; in preparation for the Team Challenge.

WYCO / Re: 5-1-2015 First League
« on: May 01, 2015, 09:14:29 AM »
The course is freshly mowed. 

General Banter / Re: PDGA Ratings Update
« on: March 25, 2015, 10:24:35 AM »
I have been saying this since its inception. The system is intuitively broken; basing ratings on how other rated players scored that round is inherently flawed.  It is what it is; clever statistical munging that gives an approximation of skill relative to one another. 

Can't guess why unofficial and official results would vary, other than they are using two different formulas. No wait, another guess; they update ratings, then run the entire system again based on the new player ratings. That is probably it.

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