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General Banter / Re: Ratings update!

« on: April 25, 2013, 11:41:16 AM »

I think that we can all agree that it will be much more uncommon for someone to throw a round 100 points above their rating. Where from personal experience it is not that difficult at all to take a dump on a round that is 100pts below your rating .

As for all the ratings creep talk. I have to strongly disagree. My rating is the same as it was 10 years ago. That would mean my skill level has actually regressed over the last decade. On second thought...

Because ratings are based on who is in your pool, ratings aren't creeping as much in divisions that never play with the Open pool. If you play in Open pools all the time, you're rating will rise. Even if you aren't actually playing any better than if you had played in Am events.  The more high rated players in your pool, the more  likely it will affect your rating in a positive manner.

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General Banter / Re: Ratings update!

« on: April 24, 2013, 10:49:14 AM »

Which I think is kind of weird, statistically speaking.  Why drop only abnormally low rounds, why not abnormally high rounds too?

exactly. this contributes to what I call ratings creep. Which the PDGA emphatically denies is happening.

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General Banter / Re: Ratings update!

« on: April 24, 2013, 08:51:10 AM »

Thankfully, my 868 rated round was overlooked.

They do that, they throw out the high and low rounds....

The system doesn't include ("no") any rounds that fall outside some sort of deviation from the mean.   Those should be shown in your ratings details.

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Cliff Drive / Re: Shame-so many should feel it....

« on: April 23, 2013, 02:26:14 PM »

Thanks Tracy! I had never seen our mission statement before. I like that writing a lot and am glad to be a part of that club.

No problem and I am proud of our club too. 

We need big ol' posters with that mission statement right at the top hung on all of our course marquees so everyone that visits our courses starts to get it.

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Cliff Drive / Re: Shame-so many should feel it....

« on: April 23, 2013, 02:22:13 PM »

Two very powerful words where volunteers (at least the sincere ones) are concerned: "thank you"   

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Cliff Drive / Re: Shame-so many should feel it....

« on: April 23, 2013, 02:09:07 PM »

I'm not trying to be snarky, funny, or whatever else, but what is the point of the club then? I am a member and I have no idea what the point is. If you had asked me I would have said leagues, KCWO, and club championships, probably in that order. I know course maintenance is in there on a lot of courses but I thought that was an ancillary goal to the others.

It doesn't surprise me at all that even club members don't know the purpose of the club.
The KCFDC is a non-profit, member supported organization with the following mission"To provide an exceptional disc golf experience in Kansas City while focusing on competition, conservation, education, partnerships, and philanthropy. We strive to make disc golf attractive to all local players, help our parks, and entice others to visit!"

Even though competition is listed first in the mission statement, it is my opinion that competition is only possible because of the other activities.

Players may see leagues as competition. To the club, leagues are a top source of revenue.  The KCWO, also seen as a competition, is a Kansas City disc golf promotional event and the premier event to which the club can point to when negotiating with municipalities.  ie. people coming into town to play in the WO do spend money here.

I've always said the club should hold more clinics for the general public. Put on a kids summer camp for a week. Take some of that ever growing bank account money and put it into the community the club is supposed to be growing. 

complete side step:  Maybe the church found out what a great job the club has been doing reclaiming Cliff over the years and wanted to contribute.  What was their story?

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Cliff Drive / Re: Shame-so many should feel it....

« on: April 23, 2013, 12:27:56 PM »

Maybe the club brass would be willing to discuss work hours on the courses in lieu of club dues. Perhaps that would motivate people.

No they should not.  Offering club dues in exchange for work done is, by Federal law, considered compensation.  Besides, once you start compensating "volunteers" a gigantic can of worms is opened. And that can of worms has more to do with the ideal of volunteerism than the tax laws.   

Volunteerism is a game of numbers.  Getting people to volunteer their time is a difficult task. Retaining them is even more difficult to accomplish.  There is high "turnover" in any volunteer organization.  The challenge is to keep finding new help again and again.

The club has not been promoting its primary purpose to the public.  Putting on leagues or hosting the KCWO is not the clubs primary purpose.  Though it certainly appears that way, doesn't it? As mentioned, most casual golfers think the P&R for their course do everything. The public has no idea what the club (membership) has done and continues to do to further the growth of disc golf in the area. The public does not understand that the club (membership) spear heads developing new courses, course maintenance and course improvements.  I feel the club can and should increase community awareness as to what the KCFDC is really all about. 

I was excited when I heard the club had come up with poster sized info sheets to be posted at each course.  Only to be disappointed that they were simply league schedules.  I'd like to see the club double down and put out another poster to explain who we are and how to get involved.

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Legacy Park - Lee's Summit / Re: Legacy Mini 4/19/13

« on: April 19, 2013, 04:41:00 PM »

Certainly don't throw a roller.  Next thing you know the Grand Canyon of the mid-west will be forming in it's wake.   

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Water Works / Re: Water Works League - 04/18/2013

« on: April 19, 2013, 04:35:48 PM »

If it wasn't muddy,  excellent.

My point is; stay off courses when they ARE muddy, league or not.

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WYCO / Re: WyCo Summer league

« on: April 19, 2013, 11:42:12 AM »

Sunset is at 8:00 this evening. Be signed up by 5:30 for a start around 5:40.  May 3rd, we'll switch to 6:00 start.

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Cliff Drive / Re: 4/15/13 League Results

« on: April 18, 2013, 10:03:25 AM »

Jack, I don't recall exactly what i said in response to your original email about the regional idea.  Seeing it again, though, I think we could start out small.  Like the KC vs St L. thing or  KC vs Iowa. Let it grow organically.  It was difficult enough to get just 32 local players together for our team event. 

As far as your local team league.  I think you made it too complicated. And again trying to get every course involved from the beginning is probably too ambitious. Shoot for four - 4 man teams for the first league and grow from there. Keep it simple, raw score total wins the match up.

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Cliff Drive / Re: 4/15/13 League Results

« on: April 18, 2013, 09:40:03 AM »

This inner city bickering is boring. Why don't we do something more fun, like get together as a team and take on St Louis?

Thumbs UP! That's part of the beauty of having our area team event in the Spring.  We can then build a team from the two (or whoever) and take on other region teams later in the year.  Jake, put out the challenge to St. Louis.  Invite them to come here sometime in the fall.  Make it happen, man.

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Cliff Drive / Re: 4/15/13 League Results

« on: April 18, 2013, 09:36:15 AM »

what about course affiliations?

I think there is an entirely different type of competition possible there; a bowling league type team thing. Mike T has mentioned it to me in the past.   It's not something I am willing to embark on heading up.  But it sounds like fun.

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Water Works / Re: Water Works League - 04/18/2013

« on: April 18, 2013, 09:18:03 AM »

This is the kind of day where I feel the club should set an example and not hold league on the course.  WW suffers from erosion issues as it is. Give her a break and stay off when it's this wet out there.

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Cliff Drive / Re: 4/15/13 League Results

« on: April 18, 2013, 09:11:31 AM »

 but if we move to 4 teams, would it be I-35?

4 teams might be NW vs NE vs SW vs SE.

The problem with going to 4 teams is geographically dividing up the area into reasonably equal club membership populations. State Line would be extended up to the north to define the vertical line between E and W, easy, no?  The horizontal line is trickier.  Maybe the Kansas River on the KS side and something like E. 31st on the MO side. Or maybe just Shawnee Mission Pkwy / 63rd all the way across?  further south?  I don't know.  Where ever the north/south boundary is placed it would likely be the source of contention.