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Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 18, 2014, 09:38:14 pm »
For the record, from a personal message I sent to both Dick and Jose in early March, here is the exact question to Jose's answer:

3) Do you want to discuss any major changes to the format?  The event is still young and finding its way.  I would like to suggest dropping the class restrictions; that is, all player spots are Open, no Masters age or Women required (though you can carry them if you wish).  I suggest this because, a) we have plenty of very good masters age players that will make each team by default.  b) the women's interest in this event has been sadly low.


3.  I am for non-divisional play.  All open.


I don't see any thing in my question that made it unclear about my intention to remove the women's division requirement.

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Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 18, 2014, 09:10:06 pm »
The allegiance amendment proposal has been dropped. You must live on the side you play for.

This is a fundraising event with each participants $10 donation going towards course tree planting projects.

Each team will field 16-20 players.  It is an Open, or if that term is somehow confusing, an unrestricted, event now.  There are no classification requirements or restrictions. Everyone keeps saying "keep it simple."  This is as simple as it gets and was decided upon months ago.

There are but a handful of competitive women disc golfers in the area.  Forcing women representation on each team at 10-12.5% of the team is terribly disproportionate to the actual population of competitive players in the KC area.  I hope someday, the women's competitive disc golf population becomes as vibrant as the men's is.  When that happens, perhaps a women's Team Challenge can be organized. I do truly hope so because the women disc golfers around here are all amazing people.

Now for the real account of what happened:
As I posted months ago in this thread, it was all along my plan to eventually make this event player unrestricted, including not having a women requirement.  I felt that this year was as good as any to make that change. I first spoke with Dick about the change. He initially said he wanted to keep the women specifically. After some convincing on the phone, I got him to agree with whatever East side would agree to.  I think he figured East side would not agree to a pure unrestricted format.  I then communicated with Jose that I wanted to change the event to an all open format.  And he agreed to it. I specifically stated that this also meant no women required. Jose was ok with that; agreeing with me that it was right to have the best on each side playing, not restricted by classification.. I was actually quite surprised, but also glad he approved the change to unrestricted play, because that is what I envisioned all along. Jose, you had the opportunity to disapprove of this then, but did not. To support the fact that what I just stated is what was agreed upon, consider the following: We proceeded with qualifiers, this year, without a requirement for women because that was the change that was enacted.  Otherwise, I would have made sure the captains had at least one woman make each team via qualifier as we had done in the past.

The change to an unrestricted format for the Team Challenge was finalized months ago. Qualifiers were held in accordance with the agreed upon change.  That's it. That simple. That said, either team may carry anyone they want to fill their roster.  There are no longer any classification requirements for the KCFDC Team Challenge. If a side wants to bring more or less masters than the other side, they are welcome to. If a side wants to bring more or less women than the other side, they are welcome to, same for juniors, legends, toddlers.  whatever, it's UNRESTRICTED.  Go Team Challenge!

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Cliff Drive / Re: 5/5 League
« on: May 16, 2014, 03:29:11 pm »
jimbo, jose, do either of you have the official results from this?

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Cliff Drive / Re: 5/5 League
« on: May 15, 2014, 08:16:17 am »
Who has the complete results?  Please post them.

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Lakeside Hills / Re: 05-12-14 BIRDLAND MINI
« on: May 13, 2014, 07:33:18 am »
Top 5 plus ties made it on to the West Side team:

Peter Bures
Kevin Zane
Mark Albers
Frank Weaver
Lee Killian
Bryan Guthrie

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Cliff Drive / Re: 5/5 League
« on: May 12, 2014, 01:22:58 pm »
Still waiting on the complete set of results.

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Cliff Drive / Re: 5/5 League
« on: May 08, 2014, 10:02:17 am »
Steve Dresser is in Mo, right?  Anyway, we'll need the full results to determine who got the remaining spots on team East Side.

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General Banter / Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
« on: May 07, 2014, 09:35:07 am »
That only refers to Major events. Once you take cash in a Pro division you can not play Major Am events. So no Pro Am Worlds basically. Other than that, as long as your rating is low enough, you can play all the Am events you want.


see http://www.pdga.com/rules/competition-manual/section-2-division-qualifications/23-reclassification

An Amateur player is automatically re-classified as Professional when the player has accepted cash while competing in a Professional division. Accepting prizes in lieu of cash payout or accepting money for winning an ancillary contest such as an ace pool, top-of-the-card round prize, or CTP contest does not cause a player to relinquish his or her amateur status.

As far as Tom and that $40 in Pro goes, you'd have to ask him if he accepted cash or prizes there.  I'd hazard to guess it was prizes as he is quite aware of the rules around Pro vs Am classification.

You may not Play in AM Majors as a "Pro Playing as AM" per http://www.pdga.com/files/2014%20PDGA%20Tour%20Standards.pdf

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Cliff Drive / Re: 5/5 League
« on: May 07, 2014, 08:48:30 am »
indeed blue valley tonight... matt started a new job and wont be able to be there so for this time I'll be filling in...

jimbo, please post the results here.  With this being a Team Challenge qualifying event for the East Side, we're kind of in the need to know who got the spots.  Thanks.

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Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: February 22, 2014, 02:51:22 pm »
East Side, have you figured out who your captain will be for 2014?  If you can't come to agreement amongst yourselves, by the end of the month, I will just ask for volunteers. 

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Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: February 09, 2014, 12:56:43 pm »
If any changes to player classification restrictions were to be made, at this point, it would be to remove them altogether.  I feel that is the direction this event should take. Even now, there are enough players in the area to create Amateur only and/or Masters only versions of this event.  There are probably not enough interested women or juniors to have dedicated events of this type for each. Growth of the sport in the area should eventually change that.

That said, once the East Side confirms who their Captain is, I'll discuss changes, if any, that the Captains would like to make and can agree to for 2014.

P.S. Jamie will be heading up barefooters only subjectively judged version at some future date.  :D

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge - June 1-2, 2013
« on: June 02, 2013, 08:31:46 pm »
Official results for the 3rd round of the 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

Course: Cliff Drive
Format: Matchplay singles
Match 1: East (1) - Tavish Carduff over Kaylee Kincaid - 7&6
Match 2: East (1) - Amanda Jackson over Minna Dennis - 4&3
Match 3: All Square (.5 each) - Nick Winkelbauer vs Ryan Keck
Match 4: West (1) - Frank Weaver over Eric Kolkmeier - 1up
Match 5: West (1) - Bryan Guthrie over Jamie Barry - 3&2
Match 6:  East (1) - Dave Valdiviez over Dick Parker - 1up
Match 7: West (1) - Jeff Campbell over Zeke Henry - 6&5
Match 8: West (1)- Shanan Carson over Fred Smith - 3&2
Match 9: All Square (.5 each) - Cooper Arnold vs Jose Ossa
Match 10: East (1) - Eric Eastwood over Sam Webber 2&1
Match 11: All Square (.5 each) - Bobby Villarreal vs Caleb Walker
Match 12: All Square (.5 each) - Mike Thomas vs D. Loomis
Match 13: West (1) - Joe Hesting over Matt Perry 1up
Match 14: East (1) - CD Steiner over Tracy Walker 3&2
Match 15: All Square (.5 each) - Arturo Villarreal vs Jake Bowen
Match 16: West (1) - Ken Franks over Kevin Manning - 3&2

The white board scoreboard showed West wins 16.5 to East 16.  Does anybody see the math mistake here?

There are only 32 points available, not 32.5. Scoring got messed up along the way and the silly organizer didn't bother checking 'til before leaving the park this evening.  East earned 7.5 points in the 3rd round, Team West earned 8.5 points.

Official tally:
West 16.5
East 15.5

Congratulations to the West! Well done to the East for battling back to make it close.  Thank you out to everyone that supported the event by playing and or watching.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge - June 1-2, 2013
« on: June 02, 2013, 08:01:54 pm »
There was a mistake in the scoring. I'll get to that a bit later.

Official results for the 2nd round of the 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

Course: Cliff Drive
Format: Matchplay best shot doubles
Card 1: East (1) - Amanda Jackson and Tavish Carduff over Kaylee Kincaid and Minna Dennis - 3&1
Card 2: East (1) - Jose Ossa and Mike Thomas over Sam & Cooper - 7&5
Card 3: East (1) - Jamie Barry and Caleb walker over Nick Parks and Bryan Guthrie - 3&2
Card 4: East (1) - Matt Perry and Kevin Manning over Joe Hesting and Mike Davis - 3&2
Card 5: West (1) - Bobby Villarreal and Dick Parker over Dave Valdiviez and Ryan Keck - 1up
Card 6: East (1) - Zeke Henry and Eric Eastwood over Frank Weaver and Nick Winkelbauer - 6&4
Card 7: East (1) - Jake Bowen and CD Steiner over Arturo Villarreal and D. Loomis - 2&1
Card 8: West (1) - Ken Franks and Shanan Carson over Erik Kolkmeier and Jack Lowe - 6&4

After two rounds
West: 8
East: 8

16 match points still remain to be battled for.  Team West needs 8.5 points to win the championship.  East Side needs 8 points to retain the trophy. Matchplay singles to be played after lunch.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge - June 1-2, 2013
« on: June 01, 2013, 10:10:51 pm »
Sorry for the late update. I was shuffled off to a neighborhood BBQ the moment I got home from the course. 

Official results for the 1st round of the 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

Course: Wyco
Format: Matchplay alternate shot doubles
Card 1: West (1) - Joe Hesting and Cooper Arnold over East - Jose Ossa and Eric Kolkmeier - 4&3
Card 2: East (1) - Amanda Jackson and Tavish Carduff over Kaylee Kincaid and Minna Dennis - 3&1
Card 3: West (1) - Ken Franks and Shanan Carson over Jake Bowen and Zeke Henry - 1up
Card 4: West (1) - Frank Weaver and Nick Parks over Eric Eastwood and Dave Valdiviez - 3&1
Card 5: West (1) - Marc Wisbey and Dick Parker over Fred Smith and Ryan Keck - 5&4
Card 6: East (1) - Mike Thomas and Jamie Barry over Pete Cashen and Nick Winkelbauer - 3&1
Card 7: West (1) - Arturo Villarreal and Sam Webber over CD Steiner and Kevin Manning - 4&3
Card 8: West (1) - D Loomis and Bobby Villarreal over Caleb Walker and Jack Lowe - 3&2

West: 6
East: 2

24 match points still remain to be battled for.  Team West needs 10.5 points to win the championship.  East Side needs 14 points to retain the trophy.

2nd round at Cliff Drive will start at 9:30.Please be there no later than 9:00 for head count.  Format will be matchplay best shot doubles. East side has the option on first pick in the pairing process to select or defer.

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