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WYCO / Re: WyCo Summer league

« on: April 02, 2013, 12:34:42 PM »

Travis will not be there this Friday.  I don't have a league packet, but will be there to wing it for a start by 5:30. 

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff

« on: April 02, 2013, 12:13:50 PM »

So as it stands right now, I have pretty much no idea of how this works.  I am trying to figure this out.

It's auto-magic.   

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Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff

« on: April 02, 2013, 11:07:14 AM »

Wait, you can accumulate points at these.  tour points at leagues...  wtf?  Maybe this has the potential of going somewhere useful, but I doubt the PDGA has the right (read best for the players) future in mind.

http://www.pdga.com/leagues

The PDGA is so full of itself. Sorry to be a negative-nelly here, but:

PDGA:  "Chuck and Roger’s rating system is arguably the most exciting part of being a member."

TW: I am a PDGA member for many reasons.  Ratings is not one of them.

PDGA: "We are going to make your league better by offering PDGA player ratings to the equation"

TW: They are just claiming to do something great while really doing nothing at all.

PDGA: "It gives players more rated rounds that equates to more accurate player ratings."

TW: More rounds rated doesn't make your rating more accurate. It just makes it more average.

PDGA: "It will allow offering handicap events which are popular with recreational players."

TW: What handicapped events are they talking about that are so popular with rec players?  Also, the ratings system is absolutely awful for use as a handicapping system.  Try it and you'll see how it doesn't actually balance the playing field.

PDGA: "½ of the $1 league fee stays with the league for course improvements, baskets, charities, etc."

TW: We already put $1 per round for the KCFDC benefit at league. Now the PDGA comes in and wants to give $.50 per round of our money in their name?

Jack, I know you're just experimenting with this to see how it affects turnout.  In my opinion, it looks like just another way for the PDGA to squeeze more money out of disc golf communitees without really providing any service at all. "auto-magically" is, as us tourney directors know, the TD manually inputting and uploading data on the PDGA's behalf.  again, the PDGA does nothing but collect money.

That said, 20 isn't bad for turnout at BV.  Question is, who would have not gone out had it not been a PDGA (ugh) league?

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

« on: April 01, 2013, 08:06:17 PM »

As for holding league at PC on the date you "announced"on March 12,

It was first announced on Feb 1st that we'd have a qualifier at PC either last week or today. The qualifier date was changed to adjust with the change of the event date.   I am also sorry that our plans didn't jive.  I really wanted PC to be a qualifying location.

With all the factions on the west side, I am sure am glad I'm on the east. I talked to east side captain, Ryan Keck, yesterday and he said he would have details this week.

Cool, I was going to give him a ring by weeks end if he hadn't posted something. Thanks E.

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WYCO / Re: WyCo Summer league

« on: April 01, 2013, 07:56:54 PM »

Until further notice..... 

Wyco league will be played at a temp course, which the P&R have graciously agreed to set up each week at Wyandotte County Lake.  There will be a new layout each week, so that every Friday we get to play a new course.... blind.  Every hole promises breathtaking views of the lake. The Park Dept whole heartedly agreed to put down at least 10 miles of earth defiling silly paint to define randomly conceived OB's every week.   Side hill rocky tee areas will be the norm so wear your knee braces and ankle supports.   And this just hit my inbox as I was typing: Cerner felt this new adventure so worthy they decided to put the $10,000,000 they had earmarked for a sports complex into our rolling ace fund.  It's going to be the best Wyco Summer league ever!


notice

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

« on: April 01, 2013, 03:25:43 PM »

I still say that the East West Challenge should be done at Thornfield or at a temp course designed by non-combatants. Or, it could be done like the America's Cup and the tournament shifts to the state who won the last competition. As far as the qualifiers go; I would rather the try outs occur on the course which is being used in the competition. If we are using WYCO, then we should try out on WYCO.

Some day, Loose Park is going to have a great temp course put up which we can play for an hour before we get run out of the park. Some day.

My intention is to have the event alternate "advantage" each year. With odd years going to east side and even years going to west side.  That advantage being having 2 of the 3 rounds played on a course on their side of the state line. So this year one round in KS, and two in MO. Next year it will be one round in MO and two in KS.  We may be limited in course selection, if the event continues to shortly precede the Wide Open.  But there are plenty of course to rightfully rotate around to on both sides. But again it will be up to the captains each year, not me.

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General Banter / Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course

« on: April 01, 2013, 03:00:48 PM »

P.S. I left a Suspect on hole 16. It's on the far side of the creek. If you find it, you deserve it.

not a flippy destroyer?

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 AM Worlds in Emporia!

« on: April 01, 2013, 02:57:40 PM »

Anybody got any caddy tips for the ball golf courses

rabbit shaped C4

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

« on: April 01, 2013, 02:49:02 PM »

It's Tracy's thing, he can do what he wants. He wants his team to be built upon certain skills that are closest to those displayed at WW.

I don't think anyone would disagree that WW and Lakeside require very different types of play.

Cooper, I understand this better than most people...which is why I run a tourney every year...so that point is null.  When can we look forward to you running a tourney?   

Tracy, I'm in no way trying to knock you or what you are doing....but as an extreme southwest sider...I may be able to participate in more of these evets if I didn't have to drive all over MO on set week nights...or certain PDGA event...especially since PDGA costs even more money to get qualified for a "local" event.

Kind of seems like you are already bowing to the east side saying that West side courses are not "good enough" to qualify on.

P.S. - Get out and play Lakeside....it's worth your time.

I understand your frustration.  I was very excited to put 5 spots up for grabs at PC.  To have that opportunity taken away bums me out.  Tom, are you just burnt out on PC?  It seems to me you'd want to keep traffic on the new course limited 'til pads were poured and such.

Andy,  I think in general our courses are better.  But I really would hold a Qualifier at Cliff if I thought all the players would go out there. That is where 2/3rds of the points will be available. It makes sense to qualify there. But, I'm not going to have a situation like last year where I was the top scorer at one of the West qualifiers.  No offense to our team, but lack of interest in the qualifiers really hurt our squad last year. 

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge

« on: April 01, 2013, 09:31:34 AM »

West Side will invade Mo. territory for our final qualifier on May 9th at Water Works summer league.

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Water Works / Re: Water Works Wide Open 2013

« on: March 29, 2013, 03:16:48 PM »

I've heard tell of a long placement over the road on 14. Why isn't that used?!

Because 14 long by the road is a better hole. Never mind all the speed of play issues playing across the street would bring.

Fair enough, just throwing it out there. Literally and figuratively...

Didn't mean to be snippy there.  And I didn't decide on the pins to be played.  But I do know that Jack has to take into consideration many factors when choosing a layout on each WO course.  It's not an easy thing to do.

However, in my opinion, 14 played across the street would force most players to layup notably safe and play for a 3. On the regular long pin, most players will take the risk to get in position for a 2.  Making for a more interesting hole.  As far as speed of play goes, #14 always seem to get a back up on it.  Playing across the road would only add to that, as people would get lost long into the woods, players walking from 16 to 17 would get in the way.  players on 17 tee would be in danger of being hit.   So 14 on tee side of road long just makes more sense. 

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Water Works / Re: Water Works Wide Open 2013

« on: March 29, 2013, 02:56:23 PM »

I've heard tell of a long placement over the road on 14. Why isn't that used?!

Because 14 long by the road is a better hole. Never mind all the speed of play issues playing across the street would bring.

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WYCO / Re: WyCo Summer league

« on: March 29, 2013, 11:17:24 AM »

Wyco summer minis start April 5th. Based on Sunset times and the traditionally casual slow play, we should keep start times at 5:30 for the month of April.  We'll switch to 6:00 in May.

Travis, I'll see you out there this evening sometime just after 5:00.

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013

« on: March 20, 2013, 11:01:12 AM »

While I despise long rounds like anyone else, expecting 18 holes in less than 2 hours during a tournament is not realistic.

No one expects to play a tournament round in under 2 hours.  Though I must say, I had the pleasure of a 1:50 round in the WO at WW a few years back. Granted we had several open holes in front of us to start and a group of quick players.  Anyway, 2.5 - 3.5 hours depending on course length and layout is reasonable. But 4 - 4.5 hours at Wyco?  That is not reasonable. There were groups on the course driectly responsible for holding up other groups and the entire event itself.  The K-U-W 2013 could have actually finished, even with the second second round lightning delay. If the slow groups in the first round and in the second had been following the rules and keeping up with the group in front of them, there would have been enough time to wait out that last storm, restart and finish before nightfall.

Personally, I have nothing against players taking time for shot preparation. Most of the players I know that are deliberate in their pre-shot routine are quick to get to their lie and don't waist time between holes.  I believe most of the "lag" in tournaments comes from people who dawdle on the fairway and from green to tee.  Tournaments are not "walks in the park."  I too would like to see TD's be proactive in this regard. But to help them, I will be certain to have the TD's phone number handy.  'Cause it's often too late to wait 'til the card passes by tourney central to address the problem. 

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Cliff Drive / Re: League 3/18

« on: March 19, 2013, 03:41:15 PM »

read it, deal with the compression, and note that the ssa for cliff long is higher than cliff short.

Obviously, a longer tougher layout "should" have a higher SSA 1000 score.  But here's the thing about the rating system, it is possible that both long and short setup could get a similar rating, it's not likely to happen, but it is mathematically possible, it all just depends how the players are playing that round.  If the entire pool of players play the easy layout terribly and then turn around and play the tough layout really well, it's possible both rounds could be rated the same. (depending on the disparity between layouts)

... you are more likely to beat or tie mcbeth on a short course

you are more likely to beat or tie him when he is not playing well.