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Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 22, 2014, 03:49:33 pm »
Shirts are on order, and should be ready by June 4th. The price will be $20 each for this small run. I'll have them for distribution at the Team Challenge. 

note: This shirt order is only for those that aren't already in possession of one from previous years.  If you purchased a shirt in the past, find it, wear it for the event.

WYCO / Re: Wide Open Prep workdays for Wyco
« on: May 21, 2014, 08:40:45 am »
I'd like to hold off putting up the new flags 'til closer to the WO. I'll leave that up to John P-3 to do at his convenience.  Anyway, thanks for getting the new flags, Dick.  John or myself will be by to pick them up when one of us can.

WYCO / Re: Wide Open Prep workdays for Wyco
« on: May 21, 2014, 07:49:01 am »
I'll be on the course by 9:00am this Saturday, May 24th.  I know it's a holiday weekend, but if you have a few hours to donate to the betterment of the course, please come to Wyco and make a difference.

Hope to see you there.

Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 20, 2014, 08:56:36 am »
2014 KCFDC Team Challenge Schedule:

June 7th, Blue Valley, Kansas City, MO: Round One
- Round One format: alternate shot doubles
- 9:20-9:30am: roster check (who is there, available for match-ups)
- 9:35am:match-up draft by the Captains
- 10:00am: the first card of rolling start tees off hole 1.

June 8th, Lakeside Hills, Olathe, Kansas: Rounds Two and Three
- Round Two format: best shot doubles
- 9:20-9:30am: roster check (who is there, available for match-ups)
- 9:35am:match-up draft by the Captains
- 10:00am: the first card of rolling start tees off hole 1.

- Lunch
- Round Three format: Singles
- time tbd: roster check (who is there, available for match-ups)
- time tbd:match-up draft by the Captains
- time tbd: the first card of rolling start tees off hole 1.

Best shot doubles and Singles formats we're all familiar with.  Alternate shot doubels I will explain for those that didn't compete in this last year.  In a paring, Player A will always and only tee off on the odd numbered holes. Player B will always and only tee off on the even numbered holes.  This is to be followed on the card, not necessarily the physical hole number being played on the modified BV layout.

Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 18, 2014, 10:09:58 pm »
Jose, all the heat belongs on me.  This is a change I wanted for the event.  I knocked on the door, you opened it and I ran through.

Now let's get on to the fun!

Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 18, 2014, 09:38:14 pm »
For the record, from a personal message I sent to both Dick and Jose in early March, here is the exact question to Jose's answer:

3) Do you want to discuss any major changes to the format?  The event is still young and finding its way.  I would like to suggest dropping the class restrictions; that is, all player spots are Open, no Masters age or Women required (though you can carry them if you wish).  I suggest this because, a) we have plenty of very good masters age players that will make each team by default.  b) the women's interest in this event has been sadly low.

3.  I am for non-divisional play.  All open.

I don't see any thing in my question that made it unclear about my intention to remove the women's division requirement.

Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 18, 2014, 09:18:50 pm »
The BV East Side qualifier brought four players to Captain Jose's team:

Steve Dresser
Mike Thomas
Zeke Henry
Tony Burnett

They did not have enough players there that we're not already committed to other events to fill the fifth spot available that day. As such, Jose will be selecting one player to fill his squad to the minimum 16.

Both sides are having issue with players not able to play all three rounds.  So each captain will be picking up up to four alternates to use as they choose for each round.  Any player may start in any round.  But no mid-round substitutes. 

Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 18, 2014, 09:10:06 pm »
The allegiance amendment proposal has been dropped. You must live on the side you play for.

This is a fundraising event with each participants $10 donation going towards course tree planting projects.

Each team will field 16-20 players.  It is an Open, or if that term is somehow confusing, an unrestricted, event now.  There are no classification requirements or restrictions. Everyone keeps saying "keep it simple."  This is as simple as it gets and was decided upon months ago.

There are but a handful of competitive women disc golfers in the area.  Forcing women representation on each team at 10-12.5% of the team is terribly disproportionate to the actual population of competitive players in the KC area.  I hope someday, the women's competitive disc golf population becomes as vibrant as the men's is.  When that happens, perhaps a women's Team Challenge can be organized. I do truly hope so because the women disc golfers around here are all amazing people.

Now for the real account of what happened:
As I posted months ago in this thread, it was all along my plan to eventually make this event player unrestricted, including not having a women requirement.  I felt that this year was as good as any to make that change. I first spoke with Dick about the change. He initially said he wanted to keep the women specifically. After some convincing on the phone, I got him to agree with whatever East side would agree to.  I think he figured East side would not agree to a pure unrestricted format.  I then communicated with Jose that I wanted to change the event to an all open format.  And he agreed to it. I specifically stated that this also meant no women required. Jose was ok with that; agreeing with me that it was right to have the best on each side playing, not restricted by classification.. I was actually quite surprised, but also glad he approved the change to unrestricted play, because that is what I envisioned all along. Jose, you had the opportunity to disapprove of this then, but did not. To support the fact that what I just stated is what was agreed upon, consider the following: We proceeded with qualifiers, this year, without a requirement for women because that was the change that was enacted.  Otherwise, I would have made sure the captains had at least one woman make each team via qualifier as we had done in the past.

The change to an unrestricted format for the Team Challenge was finalized months ago. Qualifiers were held in accordance with the agreed upon change.  That's it. That simple. That said, either team may carry anyone they want to fill their roster.  There are no longer any classification requirements for the KCFDC Team Challenge. If a side wants to bring more or less masters than the other side, they are welcome to. If a side wants to bring more or less women than the other side, they are welcome to, same for juniors, legends, toddlers.  whatever, it's UNRESTRICTED.  Go Team Challenge!

Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 16, 2014, 03:53:27 pm »
Is there a final roster for the East Side yet?

The final rosters aren't actually set 'til the 3rd round match ups are created.  This is done to give the captains as much flexibility as possible and to encourage as much participation as possible.  That said, the captains need to determine tentatively who they will be rostering soon. So we can get shirts ordered for those that will need them. East Side's initial, not necessarily 1st round starting, 16 should be determined already, as Jose chose to fill those spots from all qualifying events. Though we're still waiting on the BV league qualifier results. Joe/Dick are in the process of adding captains picks to the West Side's inital list.  I'll be in touch with both sides this weekend.  Hopefully, we'll be able to post tentative rosters, for each side, by Monday.

Cliff Drive / Re: 5/5 League
« on: May 16, 2014, 03:29:11 pm »
jimbo, jose, do either of you have the official results from this?

Cliff Drive / Re: 5/5 League
« on: May 15, 2014, 08:16:17 am »
Who has the complete results?  Please post them.

Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 14, 2014, 08:12:41 pm »
It's a combination of Big Blue and Little Blue.

Existing holes and/or safari style? Please post the layout you plan to use.

Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 14, 2014, 07:58:25 pm »
To be honest, I can't get a response back from the east side leader about getting a shirt, so not sure I'll be playing at all...

Tank, just let me know what size, I'll make sure to get a shirt on order for you.  I'm still waiting on the list of shirt requirements myself.  yeah, yeah, I'm going to take care of it even though I said I wasn't. I was kind of hoping for a shirt change, but neither captain was up for driving that. Jose and Dick are too busy and it's just better to go through one source to get this done.

Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 13, 2014, 05:06:45 pm »
so what about the Tank rule.....he lives in MO now.....meets NONE of the A B or C, since he moved prior to this motion, would he be eligible to be the "only" player to play on both, or is he now considered a West Sider for the life of his disc golf career?

There is no Tank rule on the table.  He is now an East sider.  None of the allegiances apply to him either.   Should there be a "once team X always team X" rule?   :-\   I don't know. It doesn't seem as valid as a home state allegiance rule.

Tournaments / Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« on: May 13, 2014, 04:53:59 pm »
You know it doesn't say Kansas or Missouri team.  It says East and West side. 

<West Sider, not arbitrator speaking here>

It says East and West side, but we all know it's Kansas vs Missouri.

Maybe we try North vs South next year with say 50th as the dividing line?   The only way to divide it fairly would be to analyze a map with each person of our current membership plotted on it. Then draw the line such that 50% live north of that line and 50% live south of it.  Now that's some complicated stuff.  :P

The current split being on the state line is actually an arbitrary placement for an E vs W competition.  This thing is KS vs MO.  As such, why not let those that can prove allegiance to their state to play for the side their heart is with?

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