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General Banter / Re: KCFDC Photo Thread

« on: Today at 05:25:56 PM »

I was in so much pain it wasn't even funny.  But the photo, yep, that is me for certain.  As for glover having a shot of me after drinking on a disc golf course.....what are the odds of that happening?

Oh I'm sure if you took a picture at the right time you could get that effect even without massive pain. Heck, if you'd taken a picture on any of my drives this week you'd have seen snot flying from my face that probably went further than some of my drives. Anyone else having a rough allergy season? I didn't even know I was allergic to much till now but I couldn't stop sniffling during the WO.

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: Today at 04:02:15 PM »

I have an idea. Let's stop talking about 'this' time and start talking about 'next' time. The only way we can get things better and better is focus on the procedures and their implementation well ahead of the time a call has to be made. Maybe if we become more forward thinking and not focus on our hindsight we'll all be a little happier.

So I hope some people realize that there are way more problems in life to dwell on rather than saying the same thing over and over again.  I'm not saying this to be rude but to open peoples eyes a little bit in the grand scheme of things we call life.

In many instances, sure, in this instance I'm not so sure. Yes, this time everything was fine, but often (and I'm not saying in this case) TDs act cavalierly with the lives of the participants. The reality is that while many things in 'real life' suck at least we are alive to feel them and to deal with them. This even transcends many of the safety issues like pedestrians or cars getting hit or poor footing because the damage is terminal.

So let's all calm down. Stop yelling at each other and have a grown up discussion. I know posting in this thread has almost no way to avoid being backward looking so maybe we should shift it to the thread started by Rob in Club Business or create a new thread in General Banter.

Let us all try to live the peace that hole 4 at Water Works beckons us towards!

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Mighty Mo - June 23, 2013

« on: Today at 11:57:23 AM »

Anyone mind if I come out and film the full rounds? Random card first round and the lead card second round.

I dont mind Ian

Would be sweet to watch!

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: Today at 11:22:28 AM »

HEy! For all those with panties that are not soiled, KC's own (And East side phenom) CD Steiner became the only player in the Wide Open history to WIN in every PRO division! I, for one would like to congratulate CD for many years of stellar play and doing what it takes to get it done! WELL DONE CD!! 

I think he's still got to get the Senior Grandmasters and Legends win, Fred.

I jest, I jest. Great job CD!

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: Today at 10:52:34 AM »

When and where is the volunteer party? If I'm available I'd love to come out and help.

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: Today at 09:48:15 AM »

Well done to the KCFDC and all the volunteers to make the 31st a success! Excellent TD and assistant work at every course, spotters in places I didn't expect to see but were needed and great to have them.  Also not to forget all the man hours put in to prepare for the event both on course and off.  Thank you all!

*Like*

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: Today at 09:37:10 AM »

http://www.pdga.com/rules/competition-manual/section-1-tournament-procedures/17-suspension-of-play

This rule sucks. With elections coming up I hope all of us contact some board members and those hoping to be elected and talk to them about it and how to improve it.

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: Today at 09:34:39 AM »

Boy, can't even take a compliment about a well run tournament.

The books: Not a problem for the locals but if I hadn't been local I would've been pissed. All in all not a big deal as they were, as you pointed out, mostly right. That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that they were wrong. It is a statement of fact and if we aim to improve in future years we can't be afraid of seeing the failures.

The tee-times: Not so sure why you're pissed off that I prefer events with tee times. It is a preference. Many great events operate exclusively on tee times and I, personally, like those events the best. You may not. It is opinion and while still open for debate, highly personal. As for saying that finishing at BV before the storm rolled in showed by tee times are not better I would point you to the old saying about hindsight. It is weak to suggest that because it worked in this instance it 'necessarily' means that it was better this way. But, lest you latch on to this one point to get upset about, let me say it again: the argument over tee times is largely an issue of preference.

The players' meeting: Not worth attending based on previous experience. I've played too many tournaments where it is simply a waste of time to even attend an on course meeting (though I still do). When it is off course and the night before an event and an hour away from my house, I'm not going to be there. Any pertinent information could and should still be covered at the course. And, in case you choose to berate me for not getting a caddy book as a result of not checking in myself I would say maybe make the check in times more friendly for those locals that are working the day before the event. Most days I would have been able to do it myself but that particular day was hectic at work and I didn't leave till almost 5, and hour after check in closed. The next time that I had heard I would be able to check in was around the players' meeting, which was several hours after the fact and not worth waiting for.

The lightning: Let me reiterate for those of you that can't seem to understand the point that I am making about this. I'm not talking about this particular instance and largely I'm speaking to the overall PDGA rules of competition but I think there needs to be a brightline standard for when to suspend play. Say any strike within 30 miles suspends play for at least 30 minutes or something like that. With that there also needs to be a reliance on the technology that we have to make the call for us. I've seen too many events where the TD is unwilling to call players off because they don't want to be viewed as making the call too early. And on the other side of it I'm sure there are times when the TD has called players off too early. My point is that there just need to be clear rules and clear devices that activate those rules.

In sum, it was a great tournament. Thanks to all the volunteers for making it happen. Thanks most of all to Jack for being the figurehead that has to deal with all of the circumstances that come up. Now, can we all stop being so sensitive and have real discussion about what went well and what didn't go so well so that we aren't doomed to repeat the latter?

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: Today at 08:28:10 AM »

it hard to understand why ya'll are worried about when the call was made,with all that was going on on this weekend,i guess it's the only thing you could find to complain about..............very well run tournament(with all that mother nature give us)

It's simply an issue of magnitude. The caddy book was off, I wish there were tee times, and I'm sure there are a few others things I could nit-pick if I wanted to. The thing about it is that it was a very well run tournament even with its flaws. This issue, while we thankfully avoided anything dire this time, has shed some light on the processes and procedures involved in the safety aspect of our sport. Nothing happened this time, but it would be asinine to think that means nothing will happen in the future.

Minor problems can be forgiven. Events of major magnitude have to be considered. Like I said from the start: I'm not speaking to this instance as I wasn't on this course at this time. We were done at BV by the time the storm came in. I think there is something to be said for continually striving for improvement and establishing brightline safety requirements for our events.

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: June 17, 2013, 10:51:27 PM »

Yeah. I'm not replying to Mr. Rhyno's comments. I sort of was expecting them to be deleted by now anyway.

I think there should be a brightline standard for when to call a suspension of play due to lightning. I like this detector thing a lot. I remember when my football coaches would have it out if the weather even looked dicey and if it got within a certain range that was that. There was no room for human decision it was simply a process of looking at the machine and doing what it said.

That sort of decision making needs to be removed from the process. Period. We don't want to get to the point where somebody gets killed during an event before things change.

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: June 17, 2013, 10:26:29 PM »

This is a great suggestion Kevin. Thanks for not resulting to homophobic slurs to make a point.

I'm actually surprised there aren't requirements in the PDGA manual to use these things. I know they would be expensive for every TD to have but they are also prevalent. I know many schools are required to have them for activities and I'm sure for a rental fee and some form of collateral when they are unused they could be acquired.

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: June 17, 2013, 10:09:34 PM »

Then send Kevin a PM and don't post on a public forum for us to react too and comment on. Or do I need to be on this forum for another 8 years to understand that?  Guess I will just go to bed now and let you and cooper argue who's gonna catch and who's gonna pitch tonight.

Out of line. I don't even know who you are so I'm not sure what your problem is but this is a discussion about safety.

Everyone will agree that this decision is hard and is one that not everyone will ever be happy with. I think everyone will agree, however, that discussion and improvement is indeed meritorious.

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General Banter / Re: Rosedale update

« on: June 17, 2013, 08:21:30 PM »

Liable yes, though the park being closed might be considered a mitigating factor.

Somebody call Babbit! We need a lawyer in here!

Or, if anyone knows, in the case of a downed power line, is it possible for the power company to kill the power to that part of the grid so that a downed line isn't dangerous? If so, why would it not be pursued?

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« on: June 17, 2013, 08:19:13 PM »

I will agree with Loomis, generally, though refrain from commenting on this particular instance since I wasn't there.

Safety has to be paramount. Calling a delay is never easy but it is much easier and better than a lightning strike. I feel at some events that I've been at the call has been retarded for one reason or another but when a possible event has such a magnitude a delay cannot be tolerated.

Again, I'm generally agreeing with Loomis but not talking about this instance since I wasn't there.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Midwest Amateur Championships - August 3rd

« on: June 17, 2013, 06:04:59 PM »

I know there are reasons for it but this is one reason I wish there were Am and Pro weekends for the KCWO. I would love to help out more at the event but I'm not going to sacrifice trying to be as prepared as I can be to do so. I think that there would be many more people available in this format.