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Tournaments / 12th Rosedale Amateur Championships--September 28
« on: September 07, 2008, 01:39:42 pm »
We'll have a downloadable flyer soon. We might have lunch for sale on site. Also, maybe closest to the beer. Not PDGA sanctioned.

If You’ve Been Thinking About Playing in a Tournament, Choose the Rosedale Amateur Championships!

We especially encourage players who have never played in a disc golf tournament before to play the novice, recreational, or junior divisions. We’ll be playing the top course only.

Sunday, September 28 — Rosedale Picnic Shelter — Registration: 8:15 - 9:15 a.m.
Players’ meeting/tee-off: 9:50 a.m.
2nd round tee-off: TBA
FFI or to register with a Credit Card, contact Disc Golf World @ 816.471.3472 • 1.888.237.6884 •

Entry Fees
Advanced Men or Women: $32. Intermediate Men or Women, Masters (40+), Grandmasters (50+): $27.
Recreational Men or Women, Novice and Junior: $22.  (KCFDC members deduct $2.00).
   Optional: $2.00 ace pool. All aces split the pool. If there are none, half the pool will go to the winner of a closest-to-the-pin shootout and half to the KC Flying Disc Club.

Players’ Package:  RAC 12 Tee Shirt!

Personalized trophy discs (delivered AFTER the event) in all divisions where there are at least four people playing. Also disc golf prizes and/or DGW Dough, redeemable for disc golf merchandise on site will be awarded to nearly 1/2 of the field.

Though not a PDGA event, we will be using PDGA player and local ratings as a guideline to help to ensure the fairest and most competitive play within each division. We will also use the PDGA guidelines that allow pros to play in amateur divisions. Give us a call to discover your player rating and/or to discuss which division is the best fit for you.

Advanced Men: If registered with the PDGA as an am with a rating above 934 you must play advanced. If registered with the PDGA as a pro with a rating below 970, you may play advanced.
Intermediate Men: Rating cannot exceed 934 for either pros or ams.
Recreational men: Rating cannot exceed 899.   Novice men: Rating cannot exceed 849.
Masters: (40 and older or turn 40 in 2008). Rating cannot exceed 934 if you're a PDGA pro masters player.
Grandmasters: (50 and older or turn 50 in 2008). Rating cannot exceed 899 you're a PDGA pro GM registered player.

Advanced  Women: Required if rating is above 799 for PDGA ams or below 850 for PDGA pros.
Intermediate Women: Rating cannot exceed 799 for either pro or ams.
Recreational Women: Rating cannot exceed 749.

Boys: Under 19, Under 16, Under 13, Under 10
Girls: Under 19, Under 16, Under 13, Under 10 

Three Players Required to Open a Division

Register Today!
Checks payable to  Disc Golf World, 509 E 18th St, Kansas City, MO 64108
or call 816.471.3472 or 1.888.237.6884 to pay with a credit card or FFI.

Club Archives / Course Preparedness
« on: August 27, 2008, 01:24:36 pm »
The EC  has been assembling a wish list that includes both what needs to be done to get our courses into Worlds readiness and some wish items as well. Below is what we have so far in a rough format. Some of these were written a while back and may have been addressed by now.

Please feel free to add your ideas here.

Also, we're toying with an adopt a hole program where the adopting player would be responsible for keeping his hole clean, removing dead wood, clearing rough, etc. Thoughts?


-rock ob's: pull the rocs from the short ends so the p and r can get in  and mow these areas. they could still be ob; but the ends would need to be chalked or whatever. .
-stain the deck

-fix drain on 13

-missing a few tee signs
Real tee signs.
Flags & flag sticks for the red baskets.
Steps going up to 14's tee need help.
The pond on the road by 12's pins needs to go. (insects)
Drainage needs to be done west of the gully (holes 9, 10 ) there is aleady basins there but they're broken. There currently is a swamp below the hill 8's pins.
Anything would be better the what is in place for all the rock ob's. Dig them out put some gate valves in and fill them with water. Then big water fountain's spitting water 10 ft in the air.
Power at the shack.
A soda machine.
Drinking fountain by the shack.
Hole 7 needs help as there is only one placement for it.
Hole 17 - bench needs to be reset.

    * Tee signs
    * Create 10 meter greens around each pin to be used for worlds. (seeding, fertilizing, shorter regular mowing)
    * Clear all of the dead wood out of the creek/tree line
    * DR mower the first 5-6 feet along the creek/tree line to facilitate finding errant shots
    * Cut down all low hanging/reachable dead wood from fairway trees
    * Install framed wood chip boxes in front of every tee.
    * For the week of worlds, plant flowers at the front edge of said chip boxes
    * Layout an OB on #13 such that it passes to the left of the 420 foot tree in the center of the open fairway. Make it a permanent thing with grass killer?
    * Rework of layout on holes #6 and #11: #6 would tee off a bit to the NW of 6 short. Shooting to #11 basket. (add a second placement to the left of the wooded outcrop (just north of current tee #6)).  You'd then play #12 along the street (move the right pin to a placement further up the street). Then you'd walk to an area about 60 ft in front of the current #11 tee pad and shoot east toward the current #6 long left. (though the pin should probably be moved a bit north between the trees). Then get back on track at current hole #7.  After #10 you'd go to #13. I suggest these changes to improve the usage of the wooded area and its surroundings on current hole #11 and to shake out the balance of the lefty vs righty issue on the course. To see what people think, I may try the configuration at an up coming league night.
      * Plant a ring of tall Juniper bushes around hole #8
    * Change how all the acreage on the various #14 placements is used?
    * Since it doesn't look like we'll get a replacement bench back for #11, I'd like to take the back off the one at the sign board.  Then, if anyone has some creative welding skills, it'd be great to get a custom back made with "Wyco Disc Golf" framed in as the new back rest there.
Wyco has lots of smallish dead branches on trees that I never see until I hit them.

Down Under
#10 and #11 bridges need rebuilt.
#7 bridge may need looking at as well.
#16 steps have been sorta fixed, but need more lumber.
General trimming would be nice as well, but that can wait.
#4 Tee sign. Get rid of the 4:20 notice and the other comments that have followed.
#6: Get the tee sign off the ground
#5: Plant the tee sign
#12: Replace the bent placement. We now have a few placement ins stock.
Lost of found: repair or get rid. Or take it down while a decision is made to use it again or replace it.
Other board: remove the glass.

Hole 4 - Remove that damn tree on the left of the tee ( that I have smacked while driving several times).
Hole 5 - fairway is a mud pit after any amount of perciptation. There has been an attempt to fix it, but we could do much better. Suggestion dig out and fill with some type of rock, the timbers that are already there and continue that path all the way down the hill. These 2 by's are extremely slippery when wet. Remove them. I also suggest some drainage at the top and bottom of the hill. Then seed the rest of the hill.
Hole 6 - Tee needs grass. Actually the whole area from 5's pins to the tee needs some help with grass.
Hole 8 - Raise the ceiling a little for a clear shot to the island. Mainly the tree line at the ob line.
Hole 9 - gap to long placements needs cleaned up.
Hole 10 - long placement cleaned up.
Hole 13 - some drainage to get rid of the swomp below the old road by the short placement.
Hole 14 - clean up the long placement on the hill.
Hole 15 - same kind of help as 5 but not as severe. Still extremely slippery ( espacially during the winter months with snow on the ground).

Water Works
needs more trimming in places...will start making notes of them
Chips on the path from #2 to #3 tee.
Chips the length of #6? Can grass grow here? If so, I'm not sure if people would enjoy a 17-hole course.
Stairs from 5 to 6.
Can grass be grown on #7. We could use the up the hill placement to give it a chance.

1-clear out the honeysuckle by the sign in area, chop it all off, maybe replace with actual shrubbery.  Prune the trees around the teeing area.
2-clear out the Honeysuckle around the pad to the right, and clean up the teeing area in general.
3-CLEAR OUT THE AREA TO THE LEFT, it is over grown, and needs to be cleaned deep.  This will allow those errant shots on the way down to be more visible.
5-prune trees up, mulch
6-fix stairs up to pad, they need it bad.  throw grass seed all over......
7-address erosion issues all over (more than this workday will do)
11-clear out stumps by road
12-Walnut trees need to be raised all over and have some actual "lines" put in(same with that silly shot way left, trees need cleaned up to give an actual shot, not just a righty hyzer, unfair shots suck.
13-the area to the right of the tee pad to woods needs mown, chopped, etc.  The area up the hill has been cleared out nicely.  We also should think about the far right top of the hill pin, and creat a couple of erosion areas, built up walls, one with the pin, and another about 30' away.
18-plant some trees, really miss that double mando of a few years back, and just clean up the area, as well as possibly replace the old "stairway" to the original top pin.

Prairie Center
needs some major trimming...both high, medium, and low. I guess we're waiting for the walking path to be completed before deciding what design tweaks might be necessitated.
The wish list may change dramatically if we get the OK from Olathe Parks & Rec about the availability of the land west of hole#14 and north of the pond.  I am going to assume that we are NOT going to get this land in time for the Worlds next year.  Here's my current wish list:
1) tee signs
2) moving tee pad and current pin placements for #14 south of the new trail
3) relocating #10 pin placements
4) clearing dead branches and small trees south of long #12 pin placement and opening another narrow opening to allow for a super deep new, challenging pin placement (already have arborist approval and one-man wrecking crew to get the job done)
5) install another pin placement on #16 (will be accomplished soon)
6) many new trees planted throughout the course, possible transplantation of some existing trees, and considerable tree trimming (arborist will call me soon and meet me at PC with details of how many trees, sizes, and species, and also will let me know which trees can be removed and/or transplanted and the extent of tree trimming allowed) 
7) along with the new trees I wish to relocate some existing pin placements to create new challenging locations
8) additional benches and trash cans (I need to contact Parks & Rec)
9) work towards filling in the erosion around some of the tee pads (already got a good start on that-thanks Tom).
10) adding a few new tee pads on a number of holes to create more variety and greater challenge
If we do get word of adding the new land to the west of #14 we may possibly be able to re-design some of the existing holes.  I don't know how many new holes we can create on the new land, but we may possibly add enough where we can alter the number of existing holes and/or change the design of some.  This of course may depend on how much Parks & Rec is able to allocate on $ and labor.

All courses.
Baskets same height and level with flag sticks and flags.
5' circle of mulch around all pins. ( Do we really need grass around them? Cashen pins get end up destroyed when mowers get too close to them.)
Permanent 10 meter circles. I'd say a strip of grass killer would work and be much cheaper then bricks. The Wide Open isn't going away, and after being the one to paint them quite frankly it sucks and is time consuming.
Pins a color scheme ( at least Cashen pins) with a Red (Short), White (Medium) , Blue (Long) and Yellow ( really Long). I personally don't see a point in more than 4 placements for a hole. ( but that's just me. If you think a hole needs to get even longer than perhaps a long tee should be considered. ) That goes back to something Dan Cashen has said in previous EC meetings. Leave the courses alone after they have been designed. 6-8 distances on a tee sign looks ridiculous.

Trash cans and benches for every hole.

Tee's - several at Rosedale need to be resurfaced (i.e. hole 1). Then there's an issue with the grass around and in front of tee's. Like there isn't any. Hole 2 at Rosedale comes to mind.

Perhaps the club should consider a chalk liner of this type for marking OB's and 10 meter circles.

The calcium carbonate used is way cheaper than paint.  A 50lb bag at $6 would cover vastly more footage than a can or two of paint.  When I coached a high school Track and Field program in Cali, I used to have to chalk line a quarter mile dirt track with an 8 hopper contraption to set it up for meets.  IRC, it didn't take more than 5 or 6 bags to do the entire length.  That's about 11,000 feet of lines with around $30 worth of material. As long as it didn't rain every day during worlds, the lines would remain the duration of the event.

Rosedale / Rosey League 8-20
« on: August 21, 2008, 10:16:09 am »
Thirty six players on a pleasant evening with occasional breezes and one brief rain spitting. The Ace Pool got raided again with Jim Sherwood third (I believe) league ace in two years. It was  hole #1, but I don't know what disc he threw. Pete Cashen said he'd have refreshments celebrating his ace of two weeks ago next Wednesday.

Please note that with the days getting shorter, we need to start at 6:00 sharp. If you can't be there to sign up by 5:45, please call me at 816.914.0094 or John Chapman at 816.547.6148 to let us know you want in and we'll get you on a card.



Open (12)   
Arturo Villarreal   45
Bobby Villarreal   47
Joe Hesting   49
CD Steiner   51
Mike Thomas   51
Tracy Walker   51
Caleb Walker   52
Terry Adams   53
Eric Kolkmeier   55
Sean Elliottt   56
Nick Winkelbauer   56
Kevin Veach   59

Masters (10)   
Ben Hansen   48
Bryan Guthrie   48
Jay Rivard   52
Steve Harris   52
Bill Turner   54
Jim Sherwood   55
John Johnson   56
Rick Rothstein   58
Gary Harvey   61
Kevin Holy   62

Advanced (14)   
Roark Holzschuh   49
Dan Loomis   55
Tony Dutiel   55
Ian Schmidt   56
Mike Bailey   56
Brett Boyer   56
Ken McNickle   56
Matt Hummel   57
Beau Williams   58
Tim Novicky   59
Clay Chance   61
Mike Downs   64
Mike Allen   65
James Chescher   69

Tournaments / Scoreboard Needed at P Hill
« on: August 15, 2008, 02:29:33 pm »
Dan just called about a scorecard, and I discovered that we're missing two scoreboards that were here the last I looked. I think they may have gone to Michigan for some reason. There are a couple or 3 more boards out there. Where are they? Dan would like to have one tomorrow.


Rosedale / Rosey League 8-13
« on: August 14, 2008, 09:48:41 am »
47 out on a pleasant warmish evening with little to no wind. Pete Cashen aces #4 with a Roc hyzering sweetly into the spot. That's the third league ace in one week—must be something in the air...or short layouts! The Rosey layout was shortish. Best score belongs to Mr Advanced Master Tom Butler who took the cash in masters with a 44. Kevin Hart's 45 led the open.  Last cash in open and masters was 48. Had to give out penalty strokes for a late scorecard.

Not sure how much the ace pool is. All ace checks will go out next week when Chappy returns from the Worlds.

1   Kevin Hart   45
T2   Andy Lewis   46
T2   Mike Murphy   46
4   Todd Henry   47
T5   Otto Spiers   48
T5   Tracy Walker   48
7   Kevin Veach   49
T8   Justin Starks   50
T8   Caleb Walker   50
T8   Jacob Bellm   50
T11   Fred Smith   51
T11   Joe Hesting   51
T11   Eric Kolkmeier   51
T14   John Riley   53
T14   Ben Taylor   53
T14   Dean Uhlmann   53
T17   Elza Gott   54
T17   Matt Hays   54
19   Chris Timko   55

1   Tom Butler   44
T2   Jim Sherwood   47
T2   Mike Thomas   47
T4   Kurt Miller   48
T4   Pete Cashen   48
T6   Steve Harris   50
T6   Gary Harvey   50
8   Terry Adams   52
T9   Eric Garberg   53
T9   Ben Hansen   53
T9   John Johnson   53
12   John Buckle   54
13   Rick Rothstein   55
T14   Steve Hostetler   57
T14   Mo Louis   57
16   Kevin Holy   60
17   Jeff Kelly   65

1   Dan Loomis   45
2   Aaron Gabrielese   50
T3   Tony Dutiel   54
T3   Brian Palmer   54
5   Adam Morrison   60

1   Matt Hummel   54
2   Mike Owens   60
3   Josh Edwards   67

1   Susan Taylor   65
2   Becky Stebbins   68
3   Leslie Palmer   70

Tournaments / 2008 Pro-Am Worlds
« on: August 12, 2008, 09:25:41 am »
I hope people who are interested in next year's Pro-Am Worlds that are here in KC are paying attention to the 2008 version in Michigan. Here's how our locals are doing through the first day:

Justin Taylor Atwater: tied for 2nd (55<-6>-990 rated) in one of the four advanced pools.
Marshal Wolf: tied for 7th in the same pool (57<-4>-972).
Tattoo Steve Drew and Kevin Crist: tied for 31st (56<-1>-912) in one of the two advanced masters pools. Eliot Hicks (57<E>-901) in the same pool.
Paul "Pablo Klunel" Eklund: tied for 10th (54<-3)-934) in the other advanced masters pool.
Frosty Hicks in 7th (60<+3)>--892) in the 16 and under juniors: 60-892.
Walker Johnson in fifth place (80<+24>-631) in the junior boys 10 and under division. (Walker just turned 8 and is playing his first tournament on a full size course, having played only Yates competitively before.

KC's only pro: Joe Engelman teid for 28th (67<+1>-964) in the B pool of the open division

All ams scores:

All pro scores:

General Banter / Blahhgg Blog Blog: is back
« on: August 11, 2008, 04:29:28 pm »

Hope to be more prolific here now that we're back up. Check it out and let your friends and neighbors, and their friends neighbors know. Thanks.


WYCO / DGW to Wyco Today, August 1?
« on: August 01, 2008, 02:10:12 pm »
I have four coolers that will be needed tomorrow at Olathe that I'd like to deliver to Tom Butler at Wyco this evening. He has volunteered to fill them tomorrow. I will not be at Wyco (so please leave the ace alone for another week) because of the art show/mini golf contest/clearance sale here at DGW. If anyone is in the neighborhood and can take as many of these jugs as possible to Tom, it would be much appreciated.


Would you like to try something different this Friday? Consider coming to the Crossroads in Kansas City for

Disc Golf World’s First ”First Friday” Art Show, MINI Contest,  & CLEARANCE Sale

Starting at 5 will be Golden Warren's (KCFDC #705) "Through the Eye of An Artist" show. The body of his work will displayed in the DGW warehouse. Meanwhile, there will be mini-golf contests around the building at 5, 6, 7, and 8. In addition, all day at Disc Golf World, there will be lots of slow-moving inventory, priced to sell. Check this out 9-9.

And of course, don’t forget the Olathe Open—a 36-Hole PDGA Event on August 2

DISC GOLF WORLD • 509 E 18th • KCMO • 816.471.472 •

Tournaments / Olathe Open is August 2
« on: July 15, 2008, 12:37:34 pm »
Flyers, entry forms, and more information to follow, but registration is now open for the Olathe Open, a PDGA C-Tier. Get those points and earn your way into the the KC Worlds in 2009. Go here:


General Banter / Chris Arey, KCFDC #195...RIP
« on: July 13, 2008, 02:11:03 pm »
It's with great sadness that I report the death of Chris Arey, KCFDC #195, from a motorcycle accident.

While not nearly as avid a disc golfer as he was some 10 or so years ago, Chris still played occasionally, and when I last saw him about a year ago or so at Water Works, was quite interested in what was happening with the game in KC and how DGW was doing. Chris was an easy going guy who laughed easily and often, and of course, will be missed by all who knew him.


Found and Lost / Bring Lost Discs to Disc Golf World
« on: July 08, 2008, 12:53:05 pm »
We've been doing this for a while, but decided to announce it out here. Please feel free to bring found discs with names and or contact information on them to Disc Golf World at 509 E 18th ST in KC (or give them to John Chapman, Ted Keith, or Rick Rothstein). You can also drop in the 509 mail slot when the store is closed.

We will contact the owner of the disc, who can pick it up here at their leisure. I think it's great that so many people are keeping the community spirit alive by trying to get lost discs back to their owners. However, the problem is often the logistics of meeting up. Having DGW has a central repository should help resolve that problem to some extent. Unclaimed lost discs will become property of the KCFDC to advance its outreach programs.


5th H2Open

For those who truly love the Water Works Disc Golf Course

Saturday, July 19, 2008 • Water Works Park • Kansas City, Missouri

Ace Pool •CTP for each division •Barbecue for lunch •Soft drinks pro v i d e d • Tee Shirt with Entry


8:30 a.m.—check in opens
9:45 a.m.—player’s meeting. Tee off to follow.
Lunch around noon.
2nd round tee off—to be announced.
Awards around 4:00 p.m.
Doubles to follow?

Entry Fees: $35.00

Pro: Open,  Women, Masters, Grandmasters and Masters. Big Boy Sidebet—$15.
Amateur Divisions: Advanced men, women, masters. Intermediate men and women, Recreational Men and Women.

Registration Information

Phone #                                         
Your division:
Base Entry: $35
Big Boy Bet-dd $15
Ace Pool-add $2.
Total of entry: $
Checks/money orders payable to Disc Golf World.
Disc Golf World • 509 E 18th St • Kansas City, MO 64108
For more information or to pay with to pay with a credit card ($2 processing fee will be added), contact
Disc Golf World—816.471.3472 or[/color]

Water Works / 7/3/08 Water Works League
« on: July 05, 2008, 10:39:20 am »
It was an absolutely gorgeous evening at Water Works with light breezes, temperature around 80°, NO rain, and a recently mowed course. The only bad news was the large tree that guarded the left placement at #9 fell during Wednesday night's storm. The good news was that if fell on the right placement but the basket was on the left.

With #2, #6, #8, #12, #14, and #15 in their longest positions, it was a moderately tough layout. Playing masters, Mike Thomas shot a 47, 5 better than Arturo Villarreal and Leo Deprato, who won the open with 52s. All told, we had 26 players.

Open (9)
Leo Deprato              52
Arturo Villarreal         52
Fred Netherton           53
Marshal Wolfe            55
Dave Hemmeline        57
Justin Atwater-Taylor   59
Eric Kolkmeier            61
Caleb Walker              62
Mike Penney               68

Masters (11)
Mike Thomas              47
Jamie Barry                53
Terry Adams               55
Dan Coffman               58
Rick Rothstein             59
Tom Butler                 59
Mo Louis                    60
Kevin Montgomery       60
Doug Kantro                61
John Chapman             62
Jeff Hamilton              63

Intermediate Men (4)
Adam Morrison            61
Joe Castagno               63
Tony Todd                   64
Norman Schmalz          72

Intermediate Women (2)
Becky Stebbins           82
Linda Todd                 85

Ace pool = $298

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