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General Banter / Re: Dynamic Discs
« on: November 30, 2012, 09:06:13 am »

I can confirm that Latitude 64° will be making discs, branded with DD. This should be forthcoming within two weeks. The discs will be distributed primarily by Latitude 64, who will add them to their order form along with their discs and Westside Discs. Part of the branding will be the DD logo imprinted on the underside of the disc. I've heard that the discs will be similar to a Buzzz, Wizard, Destroyer and Teebird, but this is not confirmed.

DD is releasing their own Driver fairly soon, conjecture is that Latitude 64 is doing the molding.

More discussion here -

General Banter / Re: Bag tags available right?
« on: November 06, 2012, 10:43:23 am »
Yes, 2013 tags are availble at DGW. I think they are closing a lil earlier now that Daylight Savings time happened.

Yeah, our winter hours have us closing at 5 pm on weekdays, but we will often be here later than that. If you can't make it before 5, give us a call.

Tournaments / Re: 16th Rosedale Amateur Championships Is October 14
« on: October 19, 2012, 04:33:49 pm »
Thanks to the 88 players who participated in the 16th Annual Rosedale Amateur Championships. I was very proud of the effort expended by almost everybody, especially during the first round when the winds were steady from 12 to 24 mph, with at least four of five gusts that pushed 35 mph. For the many first timers, nearly half of the field, it was definitely a baptism of wind. As the scores show, even experience players found the wind to be troubling.

Other thank yous go the Bob Ward for getting the course set before the tournament and then moving it shorter for the second round. Thanks also to John "JP3" Park for helping with the scorecards. In addition,  thanks to the many people who helped in other ways such as checking scorecards, helping to get us going in the morning, and closing things down in the afternoon. Thanks to Fred Smith, CD Steiner, Dick Parker, and Cooper Arnold for coming out during the second round to offer advice, which I was glad to hear helped some of our players. And finally, a big shout-out to our sponsors, Duffy Carduff of Eagle Products, Peter Engelman of the West Plaza Tomato Company, the Kansas City Flying Disc Club, and Innova Disc Golf. Your help enhanced the tournament experience for all.

It took four extra holes before Steve Thimmesch became the Am 1 race was decided. After the 36 holes of the tourney, Steve and Lee Killian were tied at 104. After the first round, Steve, buoyed by the only ace of the day on number 3 (short right) led by two over Lee and Jeff Campbell. Lee's was the medalist in the second round with a 47. Jeff ended up third, three down.

Brandon Deerr took the first round lead in Am 2 with a 62, one better than eventual champion Ben Patterson. Ben, the Am 3 champion at the 2011 RAC, shot 55 during the second round to edge Joe Pavlecich and Brandon by one throw.

In the huge Am 3 division of 33 players, 18-year-old Tyler Mattoon, playing in his first tournament, shot both rounds under 60 (59-53)  to win decisively by six throws over Andy Portwood. Four throws further down was Corey Owens, who edged Jed Baughman and Chris Blevins by one and two throws, respectively. All these men won trophies.

Jason Hern was eight throws better than Joe Teater in the Am 4 division. RAC veteran Bob Slonka got hot during the second round, shooting 51, to erase a two throw deficit to win by two over defending champion Eric Garberg. In the battle of the grand masters (old guys), Bob Ward, brokered his "volunteer karma" to win convincingly by six over Dennis Smith.

In the Junior division for boys under 16, Caleb Bell fashioned an impressive 18-throw win over twin brother, Cameron, and three other players. This was the largest junior field ever in RAC history. In the ring of fire prize giveaway, Eddie Colbert won the Innova DISCatcher Sport Model. Besides winning his division, Steve Thimmesch also took home $132 for his ace.

On a somber note, best wishes go out to Bill Hecht for a speedy recovery. Bill was feeling slightly ill and very weak during the first round, causing him to withdraw. He eventually visited his doctor, and found out he had suffered a mild heart attack.

The full scores are below. Look for RAC 17 in the fall of 2013.

16th Annual Rosedale Amateur Championships

Rosedale Park • Kansas City, Kansas • October 14, 2012[/b]

Amateur 1 (Advanced) - 14            
Steve   Thimmesch   55   49   104   T
Lee   Killian   57   47   104   T
Jeff   Campbell   57   50   107
Peter   Bures   61   51   112
Kevin   Manning   58   55   113
Edwin   Hart   62   54   116
Eric   Kolkmeier   61   55   116
William   Mersman   60   57   117
Tony   Dutiel   62   57   119
Ryan   Keck   64   56   120
Chris   Buckley   64   57   121
Mike   Fenton   68   58   126
Zeke   Henry   68   58   126
Kyle   Lander   71   60   131
Average score      62.2   54.57   116.57
Median score      61.5   55.5   116.5
Amateur 2 (Intermediate) - 13            
Ben    Patterson   63   55   118   T
Joe   Pavlecich   65   54   119   T
Brandon   Deerr   62   57   119   T
Nathan   Fishback   64   56   120
Corey   Frank   65   58   123
Bill   Shinoski   66   57   123
Jordan   Ramey   67   58   125
Drue   Allison   66   60   126
Rob   Hoesly   66   60   126
Michael   Quiroga   68   58   126
Derrick   Holt   70   57   127
Eddie   Colbert Jr   64   67   131
Brian   Van Biber   66   65   131
Average score      65.54   58.62   124.15
Median score      66   58   125
Amateur 3 (Recreational) - 33            
Tyler   Mattoon   59   53   112    T
Andy   Portwood   64   54   118    T
Corey Owens   64   58   122    T
Jed   Baughman   64   59   123    T
Chris   Blevins   71   53   124    T
Caleb Laird           68   58   126
Shawn   York   64   63   127
Jared   Finley   70   58   128
Carl   Pledger   69   59   128
Lloyd   Edwards IV   64   65   129
Jim   Ramey   70   60   130
Duane Waldman   71   59   130
Bob   Walker   69   61   130
Kyle Alumbaugh   73   58   131
Matt   Dixon   72   59   131
David Steeby   73   58   131
Brent   Cakebread   71   62   133
Brent   Cady           66   68   134
Daniel   Starr   73   62   135
Chris   Behrens   73   64   137
Pat   McCavana   72   65   137
Eric   Gallup   79   61   140
Bryan Hardin   77   64   141
David Jenkins   79   64   143
JJ   Miller           74   69   143
Jake   Peterson   78   65   143
April   Jenkins   80   64   144
Preston Frasch   78   69   147
Luke   McCall   81   68   149
Chris   Portwood   83   70   153
Robert Lawson Jr   85   70   155
Kevin   McAdam   81   WD   WD
Justin Trent   WD   WD   WD
Average score   72.34 61.94 134.00
Median score      72   62   131
Amateur 4 (Novice) - 11            
Jason   Hern   64   56   120    T
Joe   Teater   67   61   128    T
Greg   Mattoon   72   61   133
Michael Petrin   72   61   133
Wyatt   King   72   65   137
Vann   Nicholson   76   64   140
Robert   Fite   79   74   153
Bobby Dietzel   85   73   158
Aric   Anderson   93   83   176
Justin Ellison   85   WD   WD
Suzie   Zell           86   WD   WD
Average score   77.36   66.44   142.00
Median score   76   64   137
Masters - 5            
Bob   Slonka   60   51   111    T
Eric   Garberg   58   55   113
Marty Graham   69   55   124
John   Hauk   72   74   146
Bert   Boettcher   75   WD   WD
Average score   66.80 58.75   123.50
Median score   69   55   118.5
Grandmasters - 7            
Bob   Ward        60   53   113  T
Dennis Smith   63   56   119
Tony   Todd           66   56   122
Steve Carnegie   63   61   124
Ed    Gonzales   68   63   131
John "P-3" Park    89   70   159
Bill   Hecht   61   WD   WD
Average score      67.14   59.83   128.00
Median score      66   62   127.5
Juniors <16 - 5            
Caleb    Beil   87   72   159
Cameron   Beil   90   77   167
Brandon Christensen   99   77   176
Jack   Rebel    102   77   179
Tanner Webb   115   78   193
Average score   98.60   76.20   174.80
Median score   99   77   176

Hole in one: #3, Steve Themmisch: $132            

General Banter / Re: KCFDC apparel
« on: October 19, 2012, 01:29:53 pm »
Eric, I know you're ready to get this moving, but delaying one week, and letting people order at the Club Elections Meeting on October 27 might produce a few more pre-orders.

I'm going to be taking final orders for KCFDC apparel at the club championships.  I need to get to at least a minimum of 50 shirts or the order won't happen.  I will leave out order sheets for you to fill out and then I will accept payment for what's been ordered after the rounds on both Sat and Sunday.

Dick, is it alright for me to leave the order sheets at your sign up table before each round?

Obviously I will accept cash for payment and If I have good cell phone reception i should be able to accept credit card payments.  I will have to charge an additional 2.75% for the amount.  See you this weekend.  Eric

Tournaments / Re: 16th Rosedale Amateur Championships Is October 14
« on: October 12, 2012, 04:52:46 pm »
Field is now at 77. 13 spots left!   5:30 pm update: 10 spots left.

Tournaments / Re: 16th Rosedale Amateur Championships Is October 14
« on: October 11, 2012, 09:31:58 am »
Thanks to Bob Ward, it is set. The second round will be shorter with 4-6 holes moved...1, 4, 8, and 18 for sure.

Is Rosedale currently set for the first round? I assume it will be by Saturday, which is when I'll first be able to practice anyway.

Tournaments / Re: 16th Rosedale Amateur Championships Is October 14
« on: October 10, 2012, 02:58:16 pm »
We're now at 67 players, which means room for 23. Still hoping to fill. Here's who is in:

Chris   Buckley   Am 1
Peter   Bures   Am 1
Jeff   Campbell   Am 1
Tony   Dutiel   Am 1
Edwin   Hart   Am 1
Ryan   Keck   Am 1
Eric   Kolkmeier   Am 1
Kyle   Lander   Am 1
Kevin Manning  Am 1
Drue   Allison   Am 2
Eddie   Colbert Jr   Am 2
Brandon   Deerr   Am 2
Rob   Hoesly   Am 2
Derrick   Holt   Am 2
Ben    Patterson   Am 2
Joe   Pavlecich   Am 2
Michael   Quiroga   Am 2
Jordan   Ramey   Am 2
Bill   Shinoski   Am 2
Brian   Van Biber   Am 2
Kyle   Alumbaugh   Am 3
Jed   Baughman   Am 3
Chris   Behrens   Am 3
Chris   Blevins   Am 3
Brent   Cady   Am 3
Brent Cakebread Am 3
Matt   Dixon   Am 3
Lloyd   Edwards IV   Am 3
Preston Frasch  Am 3
Jared   Finley   Am 3
Bryan   Hardin   Am 3
David   Jenkins   Am 3
Caleb   Laird   Am 3
Robert   Lawson Jr   Am 3
Tyler   Mattoon   Am 3
Kevin   McAdam   Am 3
JJ   Miller   Am 3
Corey   Owens   Am 3
Jake   Peterson   Am 3
Carl   Pledger   Am 3
Jim   Ramey   Am 3
Daniel   Starr   Am 3
David   Steeby   Am 3
Justin   Trent   Am 3
Duane   Waldman   Am 3
Shawn   York   Am 3
Aric   Anderson   Am 4
Bobby   Dietzel   Am 4
Robert   Fite   Am 4
Jason   Hern   Am 4
Wyatt   King   Am 4
Greg   Mattoon   Am 4
Joe   Teater   Am 4
Ed    Gonzales   G-Masters
Bill Hecht  G-Masters
John "P-3"    Park III   G-Masters
Dennis   Smith   G-Masters
Bob   Ward   G-Masters
Caleb   Beil   J16
Cameron   Beil   J16
Brandon   Christensen   J16
Jack   Rebel   J16
Tanner   Webb   J16
Eric   Garberg   Masters
Marty   Graham   Masters
John   Hauk   Masters
Bob   Slonka   Masters

Tournaments / Re: 16th Rosedale Amateur Championships Is October 14
« on: October 08, 2012, 01:18:10 pm »
How many have signed up so far?

48. Will post names in the next couple of days.

Tournaments / 16th Rosedale Amateur Championships Is October 14
« on: September 11, 2012, 05:13:45 pm »
Hoping to field the field with 90 players. Last year, several people didn't get in because they didn't register early enough. So register early and often.

We thank this year's sponsors: The Westport Tomato Company, Innova Disc Golf, the Kansas City Flying Disc Club, and Eagle Products. We are currently in discussions with other sponsors.

You can download a registration form/flyer at

But here are the words found in the flier:

Disc Golf World, in cooperation with The West Plaza Tomato Company
and the Kansas City Flying Disc Club, presents the 16th annual
Rosedale Amateur Championships
A Trophy Only, Non-PDGA Event
Sunday, October 14, 2012
Rosedale Park • Kansas City, Kansas

Field is Limited to 90 Players. The event has sold out the last
three years. Please pre-register & GET your spot today!

The RAC is About Fun & Friendly Competition and Learning About the Rules and Nuances of Competitive Disc Golf

       We encourage players who have never played in a disc golf tournament before to play this event, as well as experienced players who enjoy mentoring newer players. We will be explaining the rules and offering other suggestions to help you become a better player. Thanks to the Kansas City Flying Disc Club, there will be several pros on the course during the second round to help with your throwing technique, tournament mindset, and rules questions. Competitors will play the top course only. The first round configuration will be longer than the second.
       PDGA ratings and the tournament director discretion will be used in an attempt to ensure competitive balance in the Am 1, Am 2, Am 3, and Am 4 divisions. We encourage those with PDGA ratings to play the division that befits your rating. PDGA guidelines for pros playing as ams are allowed. If unsure about what division is right for you, please contact Disc Golf World.

*Players’ Pack includes  Tournament-Stamped Innova Premium Disc and Performance shirt, a $10 DGW Voucher, an official rule book, and a mini.

Entry Fee: $35

     Divisional champions, and depending on the size of the division, some runner-ups will win personalized, full-color trophy discs.
       *Please note that the value of the players’  package exceeds the entry fee price. However, we are offering an optional $15 prize-pool ”entry booster” for those who want to win Disc Golf World merchandise vouchers. There will be one pool with a 100% payout to 45-50% to the prize pool field.

8:15 - 9:15: Player check-in. Shelter
9:30: Players’ meeting/tee-off. 
There will be approximately one hour for lunch between rounds
TBA: 2nd round tee-off.

Entry Form for the 16th Annual Rosedale Amateur Championships

Date of Birth:__________________
Phone #:_____________________________   
Address:___________________________________________________________________  E-mail:_________________________________________________

Divisions:   ___Amateur 1 (advanced)   ___Amateur 2 (Intermediate)  ___Amateur 3 (Recreational)   ___Amateur 4 (Novice)  ___ Masters (40 and older)  ___Grandmasters (50 and older)    ___Junior 16 & under    Gender:   ___Male   ___Female.  Three players required for a Trophy Division.
Performance Shirt:  Men’s: ___XXX  ___ XX  ___ X  ___ L  ___ M  ___  S.  Women’s:  ___ X  ___ L  ___ M  ___  S
Disc:  Blizzard Boss 140-169; Star Destroyer 165-175; Blizzard Katana 130-159; Metal Flake Champion Mamba 150, 165-175; Star Sidewinder 150-175;      Star Teebird 165-175; Star Valkyrie 150, 165-175.  Disc Choice______________.  Preferred Weight______________

Pre-registering by 10-1 ensures that you’ll get the shirt size you want. Registering earlier helps you get the disc you want.

   Entry Fee:                          $35.00
   Optional Ace Pool: $3.00      $______
   Optional Extra Prize Pool  $15.00   $______
      Entry Total:          $______

Checks payable to  Disc Golf World, 509 E 18th St, Kansas City, MO 64108. You can also register in person or you may call 816.471.3472 or 1.888.237.6884 with questions or to pay with a credit card or PayPal. No fees will be levied for use of bankcards or PayPal.

Tournaments / Re: Paradise Diamond @ Smithville Lake - 09-28 & 09-29 2012
« on: September 06, 2012, 01:34:03 pm »
Precision in language is not a bad thing. While I'm incredibly delighted that there are "open" women in an "open" women's division because I count myself among those who like the concept of "open" women or even better, a group of them, this doesn't make it correct for disc golf tournaments. While women's open division is better, as it tells us it is "open" to all women, the "open" is rather redundant. This makes "Pro" Women a better choice because it tells us the Women will be playing for money. There is just no such thing as an Open Men's Division or a Men's Open Division, because the open division is just that: open to all players...regardless of age or gender. A masters divisions, by definition, is not "open" at all, you can't play in it if you're younger than forty. Open masters, therefore, is an oxymoron, of which military intelligence is one of my favorites.

quote author=jack link=topic=8101.msg64814#msg64814 date=1346954226]
Open is OPEN to any person, any division, hence the title OPEN division, and it is only in the Open Women, and Open Men categories, every other division is defined by either Pro or Amateur, with the exception of lower divisions, which outside of Jr's, are only Intermediate or Recreational that have no age requirements.

I dare you to find one in the PDGA listing, so thus my confusion as to if this is only for Open Men and Women or if it is meant to be all "Professional Playing" divisions...

Yes it is semantics, but it needs to be correct in the terminology for everyone to understand, because I sir, don't think that a Tomato is a Potato!

Besides that G$ thinks that the Tomato is god's mistake and shouldn't be on the planet anyway!

I apologize for continuing this thread's detour, but Mr BBJon (who are you by the way) implies that DGW charges a surcharge on bank cards for all purchases. This is absolutely false.  DGW's policy for accepting registrations for tournaments that ARE NOT DGW productions includes charging 4% , which cover the credit card fees and the time it takes to handle the transaction and the subsequent payment to the organizers. It's neither excessive nor exploitative. And of course, NO ONE HAS TO PAY WITH A BANK CARD. Players can pay with cash or checks with no fee being charged. As a point of information, DGW absorbs the bank charges on entries for DGW-produced tournaments, such as the upcoming Rosedale Amateur Championships. Now, please let's go back to having fun at what is shaping up to be the best LDO ever.

Well, in a word, Yes.  It does bother me.  I could take the time and piece together all the previous posts, but to be honest I don't feel like working that hard this morning.  I am, however, in just foul enough of a mood to keep beating this horse until It's sufficiently dead. 

1) if it's not a store sponsered event, why are cc payments being accepted at DGW for 4%?
2) I know it's not a club event, never said it was
3) just trying to shed some light on the fact there are cheaper ways to accept CC.
4) you don't think banks get hacked

I could go on and on, but I wont.

General Banter / Re: Anyone playing today?
« on: August 15, 2012, 10:56:50 am »
No, just flip your disc over or use a different disc to mark your lie, no one will care and if they do, tell 'em to go kick rocks. :D

Just in case you might want to play in a tournament some day where the Rules of Disc Golf apply, you should know that you can leave the thrown disc where it is and play from behind it. Flipping a disc or using another disc to mark a lie is not legal.  This should not diminish your fun in any way. Also, establishing a routine for putting is important for becoming a very good, or even a great putter. Remember that putting will get through times of no driving better than driving will get you through times of no putting.

To complete my pedantry this morning, here's the rule:
After each throw, the thrown disc must be left where it came to rest until the lie is established by the placing of a marker. This can be done by placing a mini marker disc on the playing surface between the hole and the disc, directly in line with the hole, on the line of play, touching the thrown disc. A player may instead choose, without touching or repositioning the thrown disc, to use the thrown disc as the marker. The marker may not be moved until the throw is released. A marker inadvertently moved prior to the throw shall be returned to its correct location. For the rest of the marking your lie rule, visit:

Tournaments / Re: Discraft Ace Race
« on: August 09, 2012, 10:42:06 am »

The Eagle, which was quickly re-tooled into the Aero landed in the Spring of 1983 (although the list below indicates an earlier date of approval). At that time, it was just a disc; there were no putters, mids, or drivers. It wasn't too long before this disc, that would someday be called a "putter," set a new distance record in the 500's. The Aviar came after the Aero, and then then the Aviar XD (extra distance). Below I've listed all Innova Discs that have been approved by the PDGA. The first disc that we can now call strictly a driver was the Phenix. It was tooled using the Aero mold, and the Aero went away for several years before its return as a "putter." The Phenix, thrown by Sam Ferrans, set a world record as well. Subsequent "drivers only" were the larger-diameter Barracuda and Scorpion, followed by the even-bigger Jaguar. The Viper with a 21.7 cm diameter was the first driver that was the same size as the existing midranges as the Shark, Stingray, Roc, Cobra. It wasn't until 1992 and the Whippet that a smaller (21.2) diameter driver showed up. Since then, most drivers have been close to this size.  I think it was in the first half of the 90s that companies started designating discs as drivers, midranges, and putters.

Eagle (old)   01/01/82
Aero   01/01/83
Aviar   01/01/84
Aviar XD   01/01/84
Coupe   01/01/85
Classic Ace   01/01/86
Aviar Putter   01/01/87
Hammer   01/01/87
Roc   01/01/87
Stingray   01/01/87
Cobra   01/01/88
Phenix   01/01/88
Shark   01/01/89
Aviar XD (retooled)   01/01/90
Lynx   06/21/90
Barracuda   09/16/90
Scorpion   09/16/90
Birdie   05/13/91
Birdie (retooled)   05/13/91
Condor   05/13/91
Jaguar   11/05/91
Viper   12/03/91
Whippet   02/07/92
Zephyr   07/06/92
Panther   07/26/93
Griffin   09/22/93
Piranha   10/28/93
Classic Roc   01/01/94
Cobra Classic   01/01/94
Pole Cat   01/05/94
Dolphin   02/21/94
Python   02/21/94
Gazelle   03/08/94
Ram   04/01/94
Gopher   08/09/94
Raven   11/10/94
Apple   08/10/95
Super Nova   08/10/95
Cheetah   10/10/95
Moray   10/02/96
Pegasus   03/21/97
Banshee   01/14/98
Cheetah (retooled)   07/28/98
Rhyno   11/09/98
Wolf   02/14/99
Eagle (new)   03/12/99
Puma   04/05/99
Thunderbird   05/03/99
Leopard   05/12/99
Gator   01/21/00
Firebird   03/21/00
Valkyrie   08/28/00
Spider   01/19/01
CE Leopard   01/29/01
CE Eagle   02/07/01
CE Valkyrie   02/25/01
Dragon   03/24/01
CE Aviar   06/02/01
CE TeeBird   06/02/01
CE FireBird   06/12/01
Archangel   08/21/01
Ace   11/27/01
CE Aero   06/05/02
CE Spider   08/12/02
Beast   12/02/02
Monster   01/26/03
Starfire   05/08/03
Viking   06/02/03
ORC   01/25/04
Hydra   05/10/04
Bulldog   07/08/04
Hero Disc Type 235   07/08/04
Sidewinder   11/24/04
Coyote   06/07/05
Wraith   08/15/05
Roadrunner   08/27/05
Goblin   03/06/06
Tee-Rex   03/06/06
CRO   06/21/06
Skeeter   07/08/06
Max   09/21/06
Firebird L (FL)   01/17/07
Kite   02/11/07
Teebird L (TL)   03/08/07
Gremlin   06/05/07
Starfire L (SL)   06/21/07
Destroyer   06/26/07
Sonic   09/19/07
XCaliber   03/13/08
Pig   05/20/08
Monarch   06/02/08
Pulsar   06/02/08
Boss   08/26/08
Groove   12/05/08
Dart   02/18/09
Mako   09/18/09
Katana   10/18/09
Wahoo   11/19/10
Vulcan   12/09/10
Wedge   12/09/10
Ape   02/18/11
Archon   03/09/11
TeeDevil   08/14/11
Lycan   11/13/11
Dominator   01/22/12
Mamba   01/22/12
Krait   05/02/12

Were they considered putters back then? Or just discs? 

General Banter / Re: Worlds Picks 2012
« on: July 17, 2012, 08:58:36 am »
Open: Feldberg (Johansen)
Women: Stanhope (Hokom)
Masters: Climo (Mcrae)
Wom Masters: Burl
G Masters: Mela (Hosfeld)
W Gmasters: Kreml
SGM: Beaver (Shirai)
Legends: Shive

Tournaments / Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
« on: May 27, 2012, 11:00:05 am »
Just got word from the Photo Editor at DiscGolfer magazine that they will hold the press for the Wide Open to see if we can come up with a riveting action or emotion-laden photo of the eventual open and/or open women's champions. We have to deliver to the photo by Monday morning. Think cover...vertical orientation. If it makes the cover by itself, they'll pay up to $100. If you're interested and have the equipment to produce a very high-resolution photo, please call me.


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