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Tough topic.
If  pro 2 is adopted, and masters is not a division, who decides where the split occurs? The mini director, the board, or ? Does it vary from mini to mini?
Would the split be based off of PDGA ratings, or local ratings? A ratings based split forces the mini director to somehow verify a players rating. It also means sombody has to keep the ratings. John has been doing this, but do we want to have somebody doing this continuously and indefinetely?
The players at the cutoff level (for instance if the split was 950 and they have a 951 rating) will not be real happy, but I suppose you can't please all the people all of the time.
Whatever we can do to make for a better KC disc golf experience, I'm in favor of. It's already great.



A recent study found the average American golfer walks about 900 miles a
year. Another study found American golfers drink, on
average, 22 gallons of beer a year.
That means, on average, American golfers get about 41 miles to the gallon.

Kind Of Makes You Proud.



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Prairie Center / league choices on Monday
« on: June 23, 2008, 11:50:14 am »
Now that the cliff drive league is starting up on Mondays, it's great we have a choice in where we want to play every Monday.

If you want to come play a course with concrete tees, and manicured/mowed grass, come on out to Olathe.

Remember when the time change occurs in the fall, we will start up GLOW as well.

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Tournaments / Re: Sun Burn Open July 6th
« on: June 23, 2008, 10:27:50 am »
Will there be a pre-reg thing going? If so, can the registration list get populated on the PDGA site?

It's 13 days away..... sun burn open.... "it puts the lotion on it's skin."

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General Banter / Re: Cliff Drive-Bringing back Monday Night League!
« on: June 19, 2008, 10:33:17 am »
If the city decides to pull the b-ball court out, I would suggest not putting
any disc golf activity in the area. Even though we (the disc golfers) did not suggest the b-ball court be removed, the disc golf activity will be viewed by the b-ball court patrons as the reason they don't have a nice b-ball court anymore.

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General Banter / Tulsa golfer injured
« on: June 11, 2008, 12:51:59 pm »
I know some people know a golfer, Richard Mitchell from Tulsa here in KC. He is a nice guy. I just read on the PDGA discussion page that Richard was in a motorcycle accident last week in Tulsa on his way home from playing. It sounds like he was hurt pretty bad. Please take a minute and pray for him and his recovery.

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Shawnee Mission / Re: How can we improve course maintenance?
« on: June 11, 2008, 10:18:56 am »
Yes, we certainly don't want to bash them.

It is rather frustrating to me though that the wealthiest county in the state can't mow a few fairways for the citizens, and little ole Pleasant Hill can keep their park manicured so well. I have a small house in JOCO and pay over $200 a month in county property taxes.
 
The Beatles Revolution keeps coming to mind......

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Club Archives / Re: 2008 KC Wide Open
« on: June 09, 2008, 03:04:17 pm »
It's not a loop hole, it's the PDGA getting soft on the definition of Pro vs Am. http://pdga.com/documents/2008/08PlayerDivisionsGrid.pdf  Note the bottom right corner.


Yeah, I know he was playing Am legally under the new rules, it isn't exactly what can be called a loop hole but it smells like one in this case. I'll be you a dollar this guy plays Open next week and for the rest of the season. It just ain't right I tell ya. But besides the fact that it makes the PDGA look like they don't know what they're doing it also makes Michael Robinson the current poster child for sandbaggers everywhere. I guess you can't blame him for doing it, the rules allowed it and he just took advantage of it. I'm sure he still sleeps well at night.

I'm willing to listen to opposing viewpoints defending this guy's right to do this and why it isn't that big of a deal.....  anyone want to offer one up? Beuller? Anyone?


This is one of the reasons I am considering stepping down to intermediate again...it's almost like making the Adv division a Pro2 division and doesn't encourage average players (i.e. myself) to "move up".



A sandbagger is a nasty species of golf vermin who lies about his true playing abilities - making himself seem worse than he is - in order to gain advantage in tournaments or bets.
We all know what a sand bag is, but how did bags of sand enter the golf lexicon?

First, the word doesn't derive from the type of sand bags we're all familiar with. It's not the defensive sand bags - those used for flood control, lining foxholes, and so on - but the offensive sand bags that give us the word "sandbagger."

Gangs and street toughs of the 19th century used sand bags as a weapon of choice. Take a sock or small bag, fill it with sand, wrap it tightly, and wail away on someone (well, don't actually wail away on someone, but imagine that you are) and you'll see how effective a weapon a small sand bag can be.

Gang members used such weapons to intimidate their foes or average citizens. To threaten and bully the populace.

This definition of sandbagger - a person who uses a sand bag as a weapon - can still be found in many dictionaries; it's the first definition for the word in most older dictionaries.

But the word didn't go directly from its gangland origins into golf; there was an intermediary step in its adoption by the sports world, and golf, to mean someone who misrepresents his ability to gain an advantage.

According to the website Word-Detective.com, that intermediary step was poker.

Say you're in a poker match and you're dealt a fantastic hand. If you place a huge bet right off the bat, you might scare most of your poker mates into folding. Instead, you might choose to bet small amounts, hoping to keep your opponents in the match, increasing the pot, up until the moment you show your cards.

As Word-Detective.com puts it, the poker meaning "... described a player who held off raising the stakes in order to lull the other players into a false sense of security. The poker sandbagger would pounce late in the game, clobbering the other players with his good hand."

The poker player, in other words, misled his opponents about how good his hand was ... until it was time to whip out the "sand bag" and beat those same opponents with it.

And that's how "sandbagger" came to have its golf meaning.

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Prairie Center / Re: Work Day at PC!!
« on: June 03, 2008, 01:22:52 pm »
I believe the rule for hole 2 will be: (In street on any shot is OB. Shoot from marked drop zone or previous lie.) 





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Prairie Center / Re: Work Day at PC!!
« on: June 03, 2008, 10:17:11 am »
I don't know if the program has been printed yet, but we will get a ruling on how CD's scenario should be played, and hopefully it will be clearly explained at the players meeting. Also, since to course tourney director will prolly be close by (at the shelter), they should be able to monitor the hole for controversy.

My opinion would be if you are on the island putting, and go out, you then would putt from where you crossed out of bounds, or from your previous lie, and add a penalty, but it's not up to me.

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Prairie Center / Re: Work Day at PC!!
« on: June 03, 2008, 07:27:12 am »
 If you throw out of bounds, you shoot from the drop. It is a quite makeable putt from the drop. Of course, you could make a putt at the basket, bounce off and into the ob street again and again and again. I would expect there to be multiple circle 3's from the drop, however.



Does NHL stand for National Horseshoe League, or National Hari-Krishna League?

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Cliff Drive / Re: Tee Pads
« on: June 02, 2008, 02:52:12 pm »
 Circular pads would be kewl. Keep in mind that a 5' x 15' x 5" thick pad will take approx 1.2 cubic yards of concrete and a 15' dia circle 5" thick will take 2.7 cubic yards of concrete. If you decide to go circular, I would suggest you go no smaller tha 12' diameter, which if 5" thick, would take 1.7 cubic yards of concrete.

 Just offering up my 2 cents worth on the subject here.... I would recommend getting the form lumber (2x6) to do 6 boxes. Do the excavation/fill, set the forms, making sure they are well oiled, get the subbase (earth or gravel) compacted, then pour out the 6. Wait a day or two, strip the forms and repeat until all 18 are done. Doing the work this way keeps it from being too overwhelming, and keeps you from spending a huge amount on form lumber.
 

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Prairie Center / Re: Work Day at PC!!
« on: June 02, 2008, 02:07:23 pm »
 Where the pins are is where they will be for the WO. The only correction to Andy's list of placements is hole 3, which will be short.

 We could have set the course longer, but decided with playing Wyco the same day, why not have a medium length setup.

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Prairie Center / Re: Work Day at PC!!
« on: June 02, 2008, 11:10:09 am »
No post that has the DR mower in it can be stupid. In fact, if the DR mower is included in the post it can be nothing but BADASS.

The pins are set for the KCWO. Great job to Andy and Cindy for all the work, and to Adam for letting us borrow (again) the DR.

I think it's awesome that all over town the courses were getting prepped.

I had planned on helping with the stairs at rosey, but we needed to get some stuff done at PC. Hats off to Buckle and company at fixing the stairs!


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Cliff Drive / Re: Are Mondays better for Cliff Drive League?
« on: May 29, 2008, 12:29:41 pm »
Let's move all the leagues to Monday !

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Stuck inside all day? Bored and jonesin for some dg? The rain looks like it is done out here in Olathe. Already drying up some, and the park is freshly mowed. Come on out for Bob's Memorial day extravaganza. 

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