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General Banter / Re: Mega Beer Thread
« on: November 28, 2013, 03:11:24 PM »

My latest find has been Santa Fe's Kickin' Chicken Bourbon Barrel Aged Barleywine.  It's infected as all get out with some nice sour lacto bugs and has developed a nice sourness.  It's debatable on whether or not the infection is intentional, but it's hard to deny.  It changes the barleywine to something VERY similar to Boulevard's Bourbon Barrel Quad with a couple of years of aging on it.

Thought I would chime in on Santa Fe. I don't think I've ever had a bad Santa Fe beer. Their State Pen Porter has always been a favorite.

Thanks for the thoughts, Chappy. I think the idea that I have is that we should use technology as much as possible to remove the decision from the TDs hands. Obviously if it is getting dangerous and there is no indication to call it off they would still have that ability but I think it is important to set a baseline so that if lightning is (insert safe number) away play is halted. That way the TD doesn't have to worry about getting lambasted for calling it too early or too late.

   Technology is a nice tool to help TDs make judgment calls, but it doesn't always work. In my case at Rosedale, having a SkyScan probably wouldn't have gotten the players off the course any faster, because of the speed of the storm. Folks have to realize that although we do the best job possible to keep players safe, nature is sometimes just unpredictable.

I will weigh in on the lightning and storm issue, since I am one that made the call at Rosedale and I'm also likely the only one in this conversation that has a B.S. in meteorology.

I can't speak for what went on at other courses, but I will talk about Rosedale. I had been watching the radar on my phone for about an hour prior to the storm rolling in. I knew the storm was coming, but was not sure exactly when to make the call and radar on a small phone doesn't give you a great impression of the speed of movement of individual cells. There was no lightning at Rosedale until I made the call, and torrential rain was coming down within 10 minutes of the call being made. At the time, I actually thought I was making the call 5-10 minutes early, or at least this was what I intended to do. In retrospect, I wish I had been 5-10 minutes earlier. The storm moved in THAT fast. If I had trouble making the call on time, I imagine that other experienced TDs like Kevin likely had similar issues. I imagine Kevin made the call the best he could, but like me, I'm sure he wishes he made it earlier. Still, we always try to make the call in enough time to get players to safety. Loomis, your point is well taken (although perhaps the acrimony could be turned down a notch) and safety is the primary concern, but also know that seeing a bolt of lightning is not necessarily the trigger to halt play. There are a number of factors to take into account, but the distance of the lightning from the course is also important. I normally won't call it unless lightning is within 4-5 miles, or I know there's going to be a dangerous situation soon (which was the case at Rosey this year). We do sometimes play it a little too close because we also get blasted by players for calling it too early. Still, I always wish to err on caution's side, and I know Kevin does as well.

I have previously advocated for purchasing SkyScan lightning detectors. They are the best detectors on the market, IMHO, and many schools and public agencies use these. We thought about purchasing these for Worlds in 2009, but decided not to at the time because PDGA had a set of those that they bought in 2006 (when I was Competition Director), and we had the use of those for 2009 Worlds. We didn't need those in 2009 as the torrential rain of day 1 that year didn't involve lightning, but we had them at our disposal. I'm not sure if Jason Allind had those at his disposal during the Wide Open this year, but it's something they should still be carrying with them in the PDGA travelling trailer. In any case, we run more events than just NTs and Worlds, so I think we should have at least 2 of them, and we can rely on PDGA for those times we are running more than 2 venues simultaneously.

My $.03 (adjusted for inflation)


Love to come because its by Birthday.... but unfortunately I have to work that day. I will see if i can find a way to make it out in the PM!

My birthday, too...and Rick Rothstein's. I can't make it this year, unfortunately. I have a school event I cannot miss.

Tournaments / Re: 2012 Mid America Open - July 7th-8th
« on: July 02, 2012, 08:31:26 AM »
Who's Going?

I'm going.

By the way, it'll be another hot as hell MAO. The club has been really good in the past about keeping water available in past years, just make sure you take care this weekend and stay hydrated.

Water Works / Re: Pin Movement At Water Works
« on: May 27, 2012, 08:35:11 PM »
why is 8 always set short for the wide open? long and longer are much better holes. one dog's opinion unless the white maccoy also thinks it's another case of WEAK SAUCE!

#8 short is a finesse shot that's a much tougher deuce that it looks, and with the hill it sits on, fours and fives happen.

Probably not much scoring spread on the other two placements.

You're not really using the long left placement for the Wide Open on #12?

General Banter / Re: Forum Avatars - FIXED!
« on: May 16, 2012, 09:40:04 AM »
Millenium made a beadless soft Rhyno...The Tank.  :o

The Tank was made by Ching, not Millennium. Ching discs back then were actually manufactured by Innova.

Tournaments / Re: East vs West Team Championship
« on: May 16, 2012, 09:37:43 AM »
You should think about making the alternate shot rounds in the Ryder Cup Foursomes format. In otherwords, one player tees off on the even holes, and the other player tees on the odd holes, and then you alternate from the tee shot. That way a hot driver or a hot putter doesn't take advantage. Both players have to do both.

General Banter / Re: First Fridays at Disc Golf World
« on: May 07, 2012, 04:41:13 PM »
I'll bring my crates. Hopefully chappy will be there to give us some plastic love too.

Sorry I missed it. I do have some stuff still I'll likely be Ebaying soon...I'll be in town for the Wide Open, if you know of anything you want, let me know (PM me) and I'll dig through my stuff....but a lot of it's been picked over. I do have some CE stuff still. Oh, and give me a few days....I'm busy through at least Wednesday with finals at school.

General Banter / Re: PDGA Rating System SUCKS!
« on: April 11, 2012, 10:44:18 PM »
Ratings are not wholly representative of your skill...they're actually representative of how well you play against your opponents that day.

Excellent way to view it Chris, excellent.....says the guy that shoots 1000, and 800 rated rounds!  Some days are better than others, and some some rounds the same day, are FANTASTIC only to have the other roud during the same day look like you bought your first disc that morning......

Ratings area based mostly on how you compared to everyone else. We've had Wide Opens where had a few Advanced shoot hot one day, and the next day some Pros shoot the same score in the same weather conditions and their rating is 30 points higher. It's not common, but it happens.

Ratings would be better if you could somehow compare your score against a set standard. The problem is, there's no way to set a static standard. You could play Rosedale one day in 75 degree and calm weather. The next day, on the same layout, it could be 40 degrees and windy as heck. Obviously day 2 will play harder. The PDGA ratings are far from perfect, but they aren't bad, and they are the best thing we have so far.

I have no idea how I can get there for that, but I shall try. Becky is probably the best person equipped to handle her situation, and also the person least deserving of it.

General Banter / Re: No R Folks Tate
« on: March 16, 2012, 07:03:26 PM »
You're saying goodbye to sadness? Good for you, although I think you meant something else, but couldn't figure out how to spell it.

General Banter / Re: Minnesota Majestic???
« on: February 07, 2012, 07:51:14 PM »
Worth it. The three main courses are Hyland, Blue Ribbon Pine and Kaposia. The PROS at the Majestic play BRP and Hyland. The AMS play BRP and Kaposia.

In May, there is a two round tournament of just Kaposia.

It takes six hours plus to get there, so if you don't get to torn up, you should be able to drive home after the final round.

The main issue is distance. BRP to Kaposia is the same distance from Olathe to Blue Springs with no main highway connecting them. So if you play the Majestic, housing can be an issue. However, you can camp at BRP which is pretty sweet. They have food, a bar, a pro shop and you can play glow at BRP so it's a big party on site. However, the last night you will have to figure out new housing closer to Kaposia.

In my opinion, everyone should play this tournament at least once.

It's a fun tournament on fun and challenging courses.  Good stuff.  I probably won't be able to go....but would like to if I can schedule it.

General Banter / Re: New DGer in town
« on: February 06, 2012, 12:18:57 PM »
Just for grins, we should have a distance contest amongst KCFDC members and/or anyone who wants to throw a few to see where they stack up in KC.

I can throw 600 feet. The problem is that it takes me at least two throws to do so.

General Banter / Re: Body Count 2012
« on: February 01, 2012, 09:28:31 PM »
Reports now say that they were frisbee golfers. One more reason why i won't go after a disc down there.

"Hey guys, can i get relief from this dead body?"

"Ummmm, i think you can only move that leg if its not attached to the body...."

In ball golf, if it's a dead body, it's a loose impediment, so if it's in a bunker, you can't move it. However, if the body still has a pulse, then it's an outside agency, so you can ask it to move.

There is actually a situation in the ball golf decisions manual that references that exact situation. Well, it's talks about dead fish, not humans, but everything else is the same.

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