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General Banter / Re: Truck headliner replaced?
« on: February 01, 2012, 09:24:37 PM »
Sorry, no personal experience there, but I saw some pros do it on TV once, because I had a car once I was thinking about doing it with. It's a serious pain in the arse to do, and do it right.

General Banter / Re: Kansas City Corp Challenge
« on: February 01, 2012, 09:22:56 PM »
I would say the vast majority of us don't play in CC simply because their company isn't involved.  It's a lot of money for a company to join, and not all feel it's the best use of their funds.

Chris, this is really sad.  When the entry runs $1300-4000, depending on the size of your company.  The A divisions companies waste $4000 in the blink of an eye.  Just short sided management that does not understand the team building and morale.

Do I sound bitter, I am :) Sprint/UT&T was one of the inaugural companies competing and now through numerous spin-offs and mergers the current local-telephone company (which will remain nameless) has refused to participate.

I worked for Citigroup for a short time, and they have a 2800-employee call center near the airport, as well as CitiMortgage locations throughout the metro.  They think nothing about giving out $15 AMC gift cards a couple times a year for all 2800 employees, but something like this that would actually be a good team building experience they won't drop a dime on. It also promotes physical fitness, which is supposedly a Citi virtue. Go figure.

General Banter / Re: Kansas City Corp Challenge
« on: January 30, 2012, 12:42:24 PM »
Thanks man, couldnt find anything saying for sure but based on last years results i'llbe in division C. See ya there Tom.

I think they wait until all of the companies have signed up before they break them down in to classes....I think they try to even out the number in each class.  If your company was in C Division last year, that's likely where they'll be again, although it's possible they'll move to either B or D depending on whether your company more or fewer employees than they did last year, in relation to the other companies in the challenge.

General Banter / Re: New Dynamic Discs Store
« on: January 30, 2012, 11:37:15 AM »

 Maybe if you came to a BoD meeting, you could see what our agenda is, each and every meeting, and what we talk about, COMPLETELY open to any and all members... Dynamic Discs are running events, they give per/person money like any other vender, vending an event to the club. They are adding 500$ to a C tier event, they're running in March, that's not even required by the pdga. They want to run 10 more events here in the KC area. This opens up a ton more events for our members to participate in...!

 Which is our focus, be the voice of our members...

 This is a great thing for our Club members.

It CAN be a great thing for club members. One thing Rick has always done is to try and make sure the club is taken care of when he ran events. That not only includes paying club fees/dues, but also includes not crowding out any current club events that the club makes more money on than just $1.50/head (or whatever the fee is these days).  DGW sometimes ran club events (including Wide Opens) as club events, meaning the club basically made the nut on the tournament, and anything DGW made was from selling the club plastic (at a heavy discount).  The club needs to make sure that neither DD or DGW are taking too many good weekends and crowding the club out. The club depends on revenues from tournaments and leagues to function, as well as membership dues. Taking any of those three things out of the equation will hurt the club's ability to function both politically and economically

General Banter / Re: Impending Invasions by Outsiders?
« on: January 28, 2012, 03:12:14 AM »
The Worlds and the Wide Open are not the same thing, please don't confuse them. 

Yeah, I understood all the up-in-the-airness around some courses for the last worlds here.  I didn't state it directly, but I think we should know right now which courses we're going to use next year if not even two years down the road.  Even mention of Wyco for this year has me thinking "Oh sh..! So much to do!"   But if called on, we'll get it done out there.

Worlds was a different animal. I would not have used Down Under at all if I could have gotten away with it, and the first day (the rainy one) was exactly the reason we shouldn't have used it.  The Black Hoof course not going in was a big problem.  I had good assurance that it was going to happen, but budgets in Lenexa wouldn't allow it.  Most of the schedule was set in January or February, we adjusted after the Ams had a big uproar not playing WW, and we were pretty set after that. I don't think it kept people away...we still had 922.  That 7-round schedule was a bear to nail down. I also tried to keep it to 4 courses played for each group, but the sheer number of divisions and pools forced us to 5 for most divisions.

The WO, however, I think people should know as soon as possible. I think the 5 round event has been the best for most people.

As far as the 2 stores go, I'll stay away from that one for the most part, since I'm somewhat partial to DGW. Since DGW vends discs to Oklahoma Joe's. having DD a few hundred feet away is going to hurt business a little bit. Jeremy has picked a pretty good location to set up at IMO. Rick hasn't been as interested in running events, except for a few here and there, so I don't think he's going to have a big problem working with Jeremy on some events, but that's a question for Rick to answer. The metro area probably can support 2 stores....the Twin Cities is doing okay with Fairway Flyerz, Gotta Go, and Timmy doing his thing. I guess we're going to find out if this'll work for one of the two businesses, neither, or hopefully both.

General Banter / Re: Impending Invasions by Outsiders?
« on: January 28, 2012, 02:55:17 AM »
I don't know the WO course  schedule this year or usage. I would much rather see Wyco used before Rosey though. I do think SMP should be used too, mostly because of the historical implications.

SMP isn't close to the same course as was used in the first WO.

General Banter / Re: Impending Invasions by Outsiders?
« on: January 28, 2012, 02:54:24 AM »
Why not? The Memorial does it. USDGC does it (unless they change it to make the course tougher), Hambrick, Des Moines, AM NATS, Steady Ed, Beaver State, The Majestic, Almost all of the NT stops are the same course each year, with pin placements in the same place. So why not us?

Certainly there is flexibility, but for the most part the courses on the NT stay the same with a tweak here and there from time to time, which is usually always done to make the course harder, so why not? What do we lose by stream lining what we have? If we really want to make the Wide Open the biggest and baddest, why not make it a three or four day tournament and include all the PRO level courses in the area? (WW, Swope, Rose, BV, Cliff, and maybe one or two of the Smithville courses) What would the pros think if they saw the size and scope of this tournament as a monster each and every year? Why not be the toughest yearly tournament to win? A marathon of disc golf on awesome courses. I think that would set us apart.

The Memorial doesn't really have any other options for courses, and the Arizona courses aren't really all that great.  The Memorial has a few of big advantages:

1. It's the first big NT event of the year, and they've been lucky to stay scheduled that way.
2. They are in sunny Arizona. The weather isn't much better anywhere else in the country in early March.
3. They get serious support from Discraft.
4. While Vista del Camino isn't really a fantastic course, the venue isn't bad because it has Duke's on the 12th's a nice venue close to the course.
5. Host hotel has been across the street. Not sure if they are still using that place or not.

Des Moines uses all 5 of their big courses. Columbus (Hambrick) doesn't have any better courses, and although I haven't played Hoover Dam since 1992, I imagine some of those tighter routes on the original back 9 have closed up quite a bit.

We haven't really strayed all that much. At least 2 of Rosey, Swope, and Water Works have been used for Wide Opens as long as I remember.

I can't speak for Portland. Never been there.

I think the 3-day format works well.

We have variety, and many, many good courses. People here don't realize just HOW good we have it. I like that we have options.

And really, no matter what the format, if you put on a fun, quality event with decent value for all, people will come.

Tournaments / Re: Kansas City Ice Bowl 2012- 25th Annual
« on: January 27, 2012, 09:12:57 AM »
Allow me to interrupt this oh-so-brilliant discussion about Texan beans

I feel like I'm in a scene from Blazing Saddles.

197 pre-registered? That's awesome.

Tournaments / Re: C-tiers in St. Louis in March
« on: January 26, 2012, 12:45:57 AM »
It's spring break for me. I'd consider going if someone is coming from KC, and I could get a ride on your way through Columbia. There may be some Columbia types going as well. I try not to plan more than a few days ahead....plans seem to get changed for me.


Tournaments / Re: Kansas City Ice Bowl 2012- 25th Annual
« on: January 26, 2012, 12:44:26 AM »
Folks, in the years that we have ran the chili contest we have not had a judge be a participant and this year will be no different.

I will work with Eric on this as we have had some solid judges in the past.

County Legislator Scott Burnett has been a big advocate for disc golf locally, and regionally, with support of us on several NPR shows has been a judge for 6 years running now.

Wayne St. Vincent has been doing the judging as well for the last 4 years, and wayne is a business owner in the area that has helped as well with reaching out to other businesses to help ensure our voice is heard.

We have a few others that have sprinkled the scenery, including the Director of our Charity, Tom Turner, other chef's have hit it as well....

I was an awesome judge, but I'll be at Columbia's 26th Annual Ice Bowl instead (and it's the only 26th annual Ice Bowl out there). Same day.

Good chili needs good color, some zing, and excellent flavor. And from past years, although there were some excellent chicken/white chilis at the contest, I don't ever remember one of those placing very well. Just a hint. Good luck.

Tournaments / Re: East vs West Team Championship
« on: December 31, 2011, 02:07:23 AM »
I-70's not a bad idea for a future North-South event. I'd be a Southie.  North of the Rivers and South of the Rivers would work also....using the Missouri River on the Missouri Side and the Kaw River on the Kansas side.

But that's for another time. I'd unlikely be able to play in this event anyway.....I certainly won't be able to play in enough leagues.
C'est la vie. 

We should do a KC-Columbia team event sometime anyway.


General Banter / Re: Sample of stool...
« on: December 10, 2011, 07:14:51 PM »
I was a bit leery when clicking on this to view someone's "stool sample".

General Banter / Re: Attn: Ken "Tank" Franks
« on: November 28, 2011, 11:27:48 PM »
It should be consolation that your favorite non-revenue team bested my favorite non-revenue team at the Maui. ;D

Duke football and KU football? That's non-revenue for sure. Basketball is the "revenue" sport at those two schools.

General Banter / Re: Pete Cashen sighting
« on: November 28, 2011, 11:26:19 PM »
Pete's a rock star.

Tournaments / Re: Bluebird Series State Championships
« on: November 28, 2011, 11:20:35 PM »
Some institutional history:

This the first Bluebird Missouri State Championship.

It is NOT the first Missouri State Disc Golf Championship. although it is probably the first Missouri State Disc Golf Championship in 25 years or so. The Missouri State Disc Golf Championships were held in either Columbia or St. Louis for a couple of years (and one year, they played it in BOTH Columbia and St. Louis).

Rick also ran a Missouri State Flying Disc Championships one year (1991?) in Kansas City at Swope. This was an overall event, including distance, MTA, and probably DDC, accuracy, and discathon. You'd have to ask Rick on the timing of the event...I know I wasn't able to make it that year.

However, kudos to MPRA for bringing the State Championships back after a long absence.


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