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Blue Valley / Let's Play this Beast
« on: July 02, 2006, 12:01:38 AM »
Monday the 3rd, I'm going to finally get to shoot BV.  I'll be ready throw just after 8am.  Just me throwing, so come join me.

Blue Valley / Wide Open Hole Stats
« on: June 17, 2006, 12:02:10 PM »
Anyone in the know have access to the pro scorecards for Blue Valley in the wide open?

Just looking at the round ratings, it seems that 64 is the 1000 rated par for the course.  The posted par of 68 equated to 975 golf for this tourney, which was probably fairly average for conditions.  I don't think the 68 is a bad number for the course par there as 975 is more like an average pro rather than a top pro.

What I would be REALLY interested in seeing, is the hole-by-hole stats.  Kinda like they did for the USDGC.  The average score for the holes and a breakdown of what % of the field shot the hole in 2 strokes, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.  That is the best indication of the high quality of hole design.  They will all be a little different, but say you find a hole that gives around 50% par, with 25% birdie, and 25% bogey or worse....  Now that's a great hole.  Especially if it is par 4. :wink:

General Banter / Ted's Dread!
« on: April 29, 2006, 03:44:25 PM »
Calculate Local Player Ratings4/29/06# HolesAHPSSA183.1556.78LocalPDGAAvgAvg HolePlayerPlayerPlayer NameRndScoreRatingRatingKevin Babbit583.2229891013Fred Smith563.1111007948Mark Stiles563.1111007964Nikko Locastro583.222989941Joe Hesting553.0561015948Dave Hemmeline633.500947963Michael Schoenhofer613.389964938Pete Cashen643.556938974Bryan Guthrie673.722912964Mike Lockwood603.333972936Sean Gibson633.500947908Cecil Cameron623.444955926Jeff Campbell623.444955923Dick Parker633.500947921Jack Lowe703.889886907Dirk Hacker703.889886928Demian Vela724.000869904John Chapman744.111852878Tracy Wright744.111852865Mark Arnold623.444955855Doc Norby643.556938898Kelly Warren673.722912901Kevin Montgomery713.944878861Rick Rothstein693.833895882Steve Hoog734.056861813Lynne Warren764.222835785Angela Plitsch794.389809802Course Name0

Whoa...  This is the click to convert HTML file from Excel.  Maybe I'll try the notepad?

The important information is the following.  I had one round of scores and 28 PDGA rated players for the world class par calculation.  

1000 rated player course par for Ted's Dread is 57 for all short and 64 for all long.  

The average player rating was around 910, so the actual averages for our scores was around 66 and 73.  

One thing to keep in mind is that the winds were pretty light.  Usual 20 mph spring winds would have kicked the scores up a couple of strokes.  Also, holes 3, 4, and 5 played easier this year due to the removal of OB fence on all 3 of these holes and the elimination of the long placement on hole 4 and a different long location on hole 5.

With those two things in mind, pro par could be seen as par 60 on short and 68 on long.  Not record setting, but pretty close.

Tournaments / Kansas Disc Golf Association
« on: April 17, 2006, 11:22:44 PM »
Here is a link that explains about membership with the KDGA.

I thought it might be helpful to give a formal introduction to the KDGA for those who might be interested.

The KDGA has been built from the interest the OZ tour has inspired over the last decade.  Recently, new ideas and leadership are making the club more organized and fun to be a part of.

Benefits of membership include the rolling ace fund, a free barbeque at the KS State Championship in Beloit, a free banquet with award ceremony following the year end event, and a shirt with an awesome design this year.  Check out the sunflower design on this page...

Perhaps the funnest part of being a member is getting to track the points for each event I play throughout this season's 34 Oz tour events.  These points are added throughout the year for a good chance at a free entry into a bonus competition where the top of each division will play in a double elimination match play for big $$$.  This year the finale is in Emporia.

Ted's Dread and Wyco were KDGA events this year.  Although we haven't had a great many events in NE Kansas in the past, we want to expand up this way as there are so many golfers and great courses in this area.  To show my appreciation for all that the KCFDC has done and is doing, I'm sending in my membership dues (that are overdue).

Come see what the KDGA is all about.  It's still a small group, but great people!  Come see the tour schedule, points standing, course directory, and forum at

General Banter / Scratch Scoring averages and Hole Pars
« on: February 12, 2006, 09:36:34 PM »
Speaking of stats...

I don't know if any of you have read the related PDGA thread.

It might be more waste than worth to read through all that.  One major point it discussed is trying to determine a universal standard for setting course par and hole pars.  

The following spreadsheet is very useful for determining SSA and hole pars for any number of layouts.  It would be perfect for league data.
While most courses are almost all par 3's, this data would be espescially cool for courses with 4's and 5's, such as Blue Valley (or the soon to be late Ted's Dread).  It would be really neat to see SSA used to determine course par and hole par for each tee out there at Blue Valley.  I just heard there are going to be more than one set of tees there.  Anyone know if these tees will be designed with certain ratings in mind?  The PDGA is promoting design for up to four different levels... Red (850 rated), White (900 rated), Blue (950 rated), and Gold (1000 rated).

SSA's for different layouts would be cool information for any course.  There are other tools that can be used without bothering with the spreadsheets, but with as much league play as KC gets, it seems this would be the best option.

Any interest in putting some stats together for KC courses?  Potentially this information could be useful on course billboards, course tee signs, the course directory, and the KCFDC website.  One thing is for sure, you guys have many quality courses.

Blue Valley / Hole-by-Hole Analysis
« on: July 15, 2005, 10:43:21 AM »
Hey Jack,

Would you or anyone be interested in keeping the pro cards from this weekend's event?  I think it would be interesting to list score ranges and averages for each hole at Blue Valley.  Just thought that this might sound entertaining.

You say the map that you all made was only for this weekend's course?  The permanent course will be tweaked a bit?  Moving pads only or baskets too?  It's a good idea to play an event and see how it goes and what feedback you get.  Too bad it's going to be so murderously hot this weekend.

Found and Lost / Gangstered Tsunami
« on: May 30, 2005, 11:19:32 PM »
Was visiting KC this weekend.  I threw from both tees on hole #13.  I got pretty close to the pin from the short pad.  Orange Tsunami.  When I noticed I hadn't picked it up 3 holes later, I asked both groups who had been through.  I could pretty much see that they didn't have it, so who knows what happened?  Has my name & number if you all could be on the look-out.  Thanks.

General Banter / Course Records
« on: May 09, 2005, 04:50:57 PM »
I know that the pins are rarely set in a configuration that can be remembered for score keeping purposes (such as all long or all short).  I am still curious if anyone knows what the course records are and who reported them, in tournament play or not, for the courses in the Kansas City area.

Tournaments / PDGA B Tier: Doo Dah Open, Wichita KS, May 14-15
« on: May 02, 2005, 04:29:58 PM »
We will be playing 2 championship calibur remodled courses.  Come play the tournament and enjoy the river festival.  This year will be the biggest and best yet!

16th Annual Doo Dah Open
May 14th & 15th, 2005
Herman Hill & Oak Parks in Wichita, Kansas

A PDGA "B" level event on the KDGA tour
$1,750 minimum pro purse – 100% minimum payback required

ALL DIVISIONS OFFERED (Must have at least 3 participants in the division):
(Prize fund & fees) Open $60; Masters $50; Grandmasters $50; Open Women $50
Advanced $40; Advanced Masters $40; Advanced Grandmasters $40; Advanced Women $35
Intermediate $30; Intermediate Women $25; Recreational $20; Juniors $20
Ace fund $1 -- PDGA fee for nonmembers $5

: Friday May 13th - 6:00 pm to 8:30 pm
Saturday May 14th - 8:30 am to 9:30 am
Players meeting: Saturday May 14th - 9:40 am
1st round tee off: Saturday May 14th - 10:00 am
(Meet at the Club House in Herman Hill Park near the East parking lot)

Come experience the redesigned Herman Hill Disc Golf Course and the newly expanded Oak/North Riverside Disc Golf Course.

Also come experience the last weekend of the 2005 Wichita River Festival

Media & new player events to be scheduled for May 13th.

$5 off for all men & $10 off for all women’s pre-registrations received by May 1st.

Special players packages for the first 50 registered participants.

Please mail your pre-registration to the Air Capital Disc Golf Club, Inc., c/o Bob Decker,
200 W. Douglas, Suite 820, Wichita, KS 67202 (

SPONSORED BY: Hiebert & Decker, CPA's, Chartered; Wal-Mart, Nick Bunch Masonry: Discs Unlimited; Shooters Billiard Club & Restaurant; Riverside Café; Maceman Products; Gateway Discs; Godfather’s Pizza; the Air Capital Disc Golf Club, Inc. and many more.

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