could not disagree more dick, there are a ton of great golf holes out there. i cant decide if this or cliff is the best course in town. it doesnt get much use because its not for ams, it doesnt get mowed enough, and its a long round. mental concentration for placement golf on top of the length and the hills wears my fat a$$ out.....but that doesnt mean its not a top notch pro course that will actually test my game. how about a round to discuss it hole by hole, shot by shot?