Yes, indeed. 1994 was the first year PC was used in the Wide Open. My first year on staff, spotting and assistant TD with Ned Smethers.
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Is the Kan-U-Wyco going to be PDGA sanctioned? If not, can it be? I think you would have time to do it, if you act soon.
Hadn't really given it much thought. I guess it could be a C or D tier event. I just have to get the paperwork in 30 days in advance I think. I'll look into it.
I would venture to guess the turnout might be a little better if it was sanctioned.
The PDGA fees that are involved with sanctioning is why I am choosing not to run any PDGA events this year for the events that I am running. Tom if you can convince me that it is worth the money that the PDGA gets to garner at least 15-20 people per event I would listen, but overall I feel that turnout last year at events was less because of the associated costs with PDGA, either paying the additional fee if you are not a member, or the fees that we send to the PDGA for the event charge, and then the additional fee that we must charge players for the PDGA on each player. It costs $2/person that we must send, and then an additional $5 for non-members.
So in essence, when I try to have an event where the entry is $20 for am's, it then becomes $27 for the $20 entry. It just doesn't make sense, when we want to drive competitive play into the area, and we are pricing ourselves out of the market. The same can be said for the Open side, where the fees are also attached, so that an Open player paying $47 only sees $40 in the payout, still a loss on each entrant by ~20%.
I so far have been thinking that all events this year will not be PDGA with the exception of the Wide Open. This would allow us to make things easier for the casual player, and the TD running the event to not have to look up all the information on each person.
May need to move this to Tournaments forum, but wanted to chime in. Kevin feel free to move this post.
I agree that the additional fees suck. I would suggest though that if our goal is to make tournaments less expensive and "easier for the casual player", then we will be hosting tournaments, for the most part, for our local disc golfers only. I don't think very many out of towners are going to be traveling to KC to play in non-sanctioned events. Any local players that want to earn points and ratings, and advance their game, can simply go out of town to play sanctioned tournaments.
I don't run any tournaments, so I suppose I should keep my opinions on this matter to myself.
No need to keep your opinions to yourself Tom because I agree with both you and Jack compeltely. The majority of locals that play these events aren't competing in the PDGA and the extra costs garnered by any association with the PDGA is not worth it. I think that locally pandering to the masses and pumping the events up on a local level is the thing to do. Promote the club and it's associations, not the PDGA.
This is a very interesting line of conversation, I traveled from topeka to KC for two events one sanctioned (city of fountains) and one not (kan u wyco) I may be in the minority here but I will not be traveling out of town for any non sanctioned events this year except for maybe Herrington.
There has been a general trend in tournaments around the country to have lower turnouts, and I think a large part of that is oversaturation. If you want people to travel to an event there needs to be some kind of hook. Great courses are becoming dime a dozen. the only reason I played city of fountains last year was to check out the two new courses, I wont be back if it is not sanctioned. My opinion on the matter is casual play is fun, league is fun, tournaments are to show you where you are at. The PDGA tracks scoring player ratings points, and payouts, it is a great resource when you are looking for an event to play in. Kansas city has a history of supporting the PDGA and offering sanctioned events on world class courses, The extra money is going to a good cause, and if a player doesnt want to pay it then they dont have to play the event. 2bucks extra for the player to earn points and ranking is no big deal, and 5 for non members is just a good tax on people that need to join anyway.
My opinion overall is that if clubs start going away from the PDGA growing the sport into anything more than a drinking club is going to take giant leaps backwards, every sport has a governing body, lets not seperate from ours.
Now that I have read all of this again I am going to try to make sure that all the events in Topeka are sanctioned at some level this year.
Good luck, and I look forward to playing more PDGA events in KC this year.