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General Banter / Shawnee Mission Park
« on: January 27, 2006, 12:57:57 PM »
While you are there take the Heritage Park link and look at #15. Has anyone taken a look at that land yet? It appears they plan to put in a course there too.

General Banter / Has there ever been a Doubles or Team league?
« on: January 24, 2006, 05:18:43 PM »
I think it's an excellent idea. Not sure how consistently I'd be able to participate but I'd be interested. We have never had an actual handicap league in KC before to my knowledge. Nor a doubles league that was random draw in some fashion.

General Banter / Kansas Disc Golf Association
« on: January 19, 2006, 10:27:33 PM »
Yes... it is.   But the actual tourney rounds will be in Saturday for those that aren't available on Sunday.

Tournaments / To Sanction or Not to Sanction? - That is the Question
« on: January 19, 2006, 10:48:34 AM »
Following is a thread started under the WyCo topic. I thought it might be good to put this under a more general topic and get some more discussion going. If you haven't seen this thread yet read through it and let's continue this discussion. I think Superq and Jack have both made some valid points but the future of the sport is addressed more clearly by Q in the last quote.

Quote from: "Tom"
Hey Kevin,
Is the Kan-U-Wyco going to be PDGA sanctioned? If not, can it be? I think you would have time to do it, if you act soon.

Quote from: "Nivek9"
Hadn't really given it much thought. I guess it could be a C or D tier event. I just have to get the paperwork in 30 days in advance I think. I'll look into it.

Quote from: "Tom"
I would venture to guess the turnout might be a little better if it was sanctioned.

Quote from: "jack"
The PDGA fees that are involved with sanctioning is why I am choosing not to run any PDGA events this year for the events that I am running.  Tom if you can convince me that it is worth the money that the PDGA gets to garner at least 15-20 people per event I would listen, but overall I feel that turnout last year at events was less because of the associated costs with PDGA, either paying the additional fee if you are not a member, or the fees that we send to the PDGA for the event charge, and then the additional fee that we must charge players for the PDGA on each player.  It costs $2/person that we must send, and then an additional $5 for non-members.

So in essence, when I try to have an event where the entry is $20 for am's, it then becomes $27 for the $20 entry.  It just doesn't make sense, when we want to drive competitive play into the area, and we are pricing ourselves out of the market.  The same can be said for the Open side, where the fees are also attached, so that an Open player paying $47 only sees $40 in the payout, still a loss on each entrant by ~20%.

I so far have been thinking that all events this year will not be PDGA with the exception of the Wide Open.  This would allow us to make things easier for the casual player, and the TD running the event to not have to look up all the information on each person.

May need to move this to Tournaments forum, but wanted to chime in.  Kevin feel free to move this post.



Quote from: "Tom"
 I agree that the additional fees suck. I would suggest though that if our goal is to make tournaments less expensive and "easier for the casual player", then we will be hosting tournaments, for the most part, for our local disc golfers only.  I don't think very many out of towners are going to be traveling to KC to play in non-sanctioned events. Any local players that want to earn points and ratings, and advance their game, can simply go out of town to play sanctioned tournaments.
 I don't run any tournaments, so I suppose I should keep my opinions on this matter to myself.

Quote from: "tjringer"
No need to keep your opinions to yourself Tom because I agree with both you and Jack compeltely.  The majority of locals that play these events aren't competing in the PDGA and the extra costs garnered by any association with the PDGA is not worth it.  I think that locally pandering to the masses and pumping the events up on a local level is the thing to do.  Promote the club and it's associations, not the PDGA.

Quote from: "superq"
This is a very interesting line of conversation,  I traveled from topeka to KC for two events one sanctioned (city of fountains) and one not (kan u wyco)  I may be in the minority here but I will not be traveling out of town for any non sanctioned events this year except for maybe Herrington.  

There has been a general trend in tournaments around the country to have lower turnouts, and I think a large part of that is oversaturation.  If you want people to travel to an event there needs to be some kind of hook.  Great courses are becoming dime a dozen. the only reason I played city of fountains last year was to check out the two new courses, I wont be back if it is not sanctioned.  My opinion on the matter is casual play is fun, league is fun, tournaments are to show you where you are at.  The PDGA tracks scoring player ratings points, and payouts, it is a great resource when you are looking for an event to play in.  Kansas city has a history of supporting the PDGA and offering sanctioned events on world class courses, The extra money is going to a good cause, and if a player doesnt want to pay it then they dont have to play the event.  2bucks extra for the player to earn points and ranking is no big deal, and 5 for non members is just a good tax on people that need to join anyway.  

My opinion overall is that if clubs start going away from the PDGA growing the sport into anything more than a drinking club is going to take giant leaps backwards, every sport has a governing body, lets not seperate from ours.

Now that I have read all of this again I am going to try to make sure that all the events in Topeka are sanctioned at some level this year.

Good luck, and I look forward to playing more PDGA events in KC this year.

WYCO / WyCo Projects
« on: January 19, 2006, 10:39:54 AM »
Well reasoned and insightful comments, thanks. I am going to copy much of this thread to the tournaments section including this post.

General Banter / Kansas Disc Golf Association
« on: January 19, 2006, 10:35:40 AM »
Ted has a family member next door to the east who may let him bleed the course over that way. He is selling the land to the west, #s 1 through 10 & #18. The rest of the course land he will still have. He may move those holes to the east and keep #11 through #17 the way they are. Nothing definite yet at all but the course as we know it will be gone.

It looks like the Redbud Open will be going out with a bang this year. Wood-Z says the land sale probably won't be complete by 4/15 and wants to do the event up big.

Camping Friday and Saturday night with a pre-tourney party and some glow Friday evening and a bash Saturday night.

Tournaments / Ice Bowl
« on: January 18, 2006, 12:31:28 PM »
Put me down for some CTP prizes, USM Hoodded sweatshirt, etc...

And chili. I'll be bringing both a traditional and a white chili.

General Banter / Kansas Disc Golf Association
« on: January 18, 2006, 08:23:35 AM »
Land sale.

General Banter / Kansas Disc Golf Association
« on: January 17, 2006, 02:48:31 PM »
I had already alerted Smitty to this. After talking to Wood-Z we are hoping to get in one last Redbud Open there. Wood-Z promised to make an up or down decision about whether the course will still be there at least 30 days prior to the date we have it scheduled for.

WYCO / WyCo Projects
« on: January 17, 2006, 01:35:13 PM »
Hadn't really given it much thought. I guess it could be a C or D tier event. I just have to get the paperwork in 30 days in advance I think. I'll look into it.

Tournaments / Kan-U-WyCo 3/4/06
« on: January 16, 2006, 05:59:55 PM »
The 4th Annual Kan-U-WyCo
The Long and the Short of it......

The Kansas City Flying Disc Club Presents
A KDGA Oz Tour and PDGA C Tier Event

March 4th at Wyandotte County Park in Bonner Springs, KS

Entry Fees:
Open Division- $40
All Other Pro Divisions - $30
All Advanced Am Divisions - $25
All Intermediate Am Divisions - $20
All Recreational Divisions - $15
All Junior Divisions - $15

Minimum of three players required to open a division.
$5 PDGA event fee required for all non-current, non-members, and non-developmental members, except juniors.
$10 PDGA Developmental Memberships will be available for non-members and members not current since 2003, valid for three months.
The $10 fee applies to converting to a full membership within three months.

Registration from 8:00am to 9:30am at shelter J (between #2 and #3).
Player's meeting at 9:45am and the first round begins at 10:00am sharp.
Second round starts one hour after last first round card is turned in.

For more information contact the TD - Kevin Montgomery

WYCO / WyCo Projects
« on: January 15, 2006, 12:49:21 PM »
The tee signs project for WyCo is at a standstill. If anyone can help me come up with good graphics for the signs I could use the help. We can either strip and repaint the existing signs or come up with something completely new. There is $1500 of club money earmarked for signs or benches. The parks department has informed me that they won't be helping us with the signs again this year due to manpower issues and the retirement of Mike Connors.

Also, we need a bridge of some sort from #9 to #10 across the ditch for when it is wet. Poison ivy will still be a major problem this year. I have lots of Round-Up Pro and a sprayer but could use some help to get this done once things start greening up again. Major areas for poison ivy are along #10 and along #7.

Only one new pin planned at this point, short right #7. The #4 original pin was knocked down by a mower and will need to be replaced. The pin was not bent too badly so I have it to clean up and replant.

#1 needs attention. the pole the basket it on needs to be re-drilled so the basket height we be correct and several inches need to be cut off so it can be moved to the left and right placements. Also there is no stanchion on it for a flag. It's the only pin with no flag. Pete Cashen has said he could help with this but the basket needs to be taken to his shop. If anyone has the power tools to do this onsite it would be helpful.

Workdays will take place soon as the first tourney of the season will be the Kan-U-WyCo on March 4th.

General Banter / The eve of ICE BOWL
« on: January 13, 2006, 10:12:25 AM »
Sympathies to you Brant. Sorry to hear you were injured. Heal up and return to the game when you can.

General Banter / ACE LIST
« on: January 11, 2006, 03:02:58 PM »
That sounds right.

General Banter / ACE LIST
« on: January 11, 2006, 02:35:55 PM »
All I know is that no aces have ever been hit during WyCo league. Ever!

I saw an ace on #7 down under at 12/3/05 doubles league but I don't recall the guys name. It was John or Sean but the running joke was that what got written on the card looked like Judo so that's what we called him all round. TJ was my partner. Who was that TJ?

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