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General Banter / Lake Lenexa progress report
« on: March 30, 2006, 10:17:14 PM »
Dirk Hacker has come up with several interesting designs for courses.  We still have to check certain areas of the park to see where the property lines are and if there's enough land available for us around the dam.  There's a lot of construction going on in the park, so it's not a good idea to visit the park during the week (evenings and weekends are OK).  I believe we're going to end up with a short but challenging course with lots of wooded holes (like Rosedale Down Under) with lots of elevation changes.  Some of the sight lines are going to be wonderful.  The course should be in the ground by the end of the Summer.  We'll keep you informed of any further progress.

Prairie Center / league starts this Monday
« on: March 30, 2006, 10:09:12 PM »
Yet another season starts this Monday.  Ace fund is presently above $500.  As always we will have an open and am division, and masters if enough masters are present.  Yes, I will run the ams with handicaps as usual.  If you have not done so, come check out the new holes 12-16.  These are still a work in progress, more pin placements and tee pads will happen this year hopefully.  Hopefully we'll have the amazing run of no rain-outs on Monday night (just one in seven years!!!).  I'm looking forward to another great year, let's have FUN!!!   :D  :D  :D

General Banter / Interested in a doubles league?
« on: March 12, 2006, 07:02:13 PM »
I'm just wondering how many of you are really interested in participating in a club doubles league this Spring.  Later-Bob Hayett

Winter Leagues / Prairie Center Saturday league
« on: March 10, 2006, 08:34:51 PM »
Only a few weeks left for Saturday league.  Ace fund should be near $500, let's see somebody hit one before Monday night league starts up again.  Attendance has been down a little lately, only 4-11 players, let's see some more people show this Saturday 3/11.  By the way, have you heard about the new course going in Lenexa?  Should be in the ground by Fall THIS YEAR.  I'll be finding out a lot more about it this Sunday.  Later-Bob Hayett

General Banter / New course going in Lenexa
« on: March 09, 2006, 11:29:46 PM »
Any rumors you may have heard about a brand new course in Lenexa ARE TRUE.  I talked with the man in charge of coordinating the new park, and it's a done deal.  He hopes to have it in the ground THIS SUMMER!!!  I'm going to meet with him very soon and discuss preliminary plans and take a visit out to the park site.  He doesn't want anybody going out there  to look around without being accompanied by Lenexa Parks and Rec personnel since it's still under construction and not opened to the public yet.  They have earmarked plenty of funds and want to make it a world class disc golf course.  After the club members come up with a course design they are going to have a pro disc golf course designer come in and give a final tweaking/approval (don't know who that is yet).  A few years ago I got a letter at my house telling me that a new park was being planned for an area just west of 83rd street and Quivira.  The letter invited me (a nearby resident) to go to a town planning meeting to present any ideas I might have.  Jake Carmack and myself went to the meeting and saw this great big map of a different park that was even better suited for a disc golf course.  We made a presentation and struck a good repore with a few of the heads of Lenexa Parks and Rec, long story short a few years later we're getting a new course in Lenexa.  I'll try and keep everyone posted to what's happening.  This is a really good day for disc golf in the Kansas CIty metro area. :D  :D  :D  :D

Prairie Center / reply to replies
« on: March 07, 2006, 06:52:40 PM »
I would be surprised if the city clears any of the vegetation on number 12.  The arborist was very specific not wanting hardly any of that stuff cut.  Once the new houses go in just past the barbed wire fence, it would be an advantage to the new residents to be shielded from the baseball field.  Trees right now are a precious commodity out there because of all the diseased ones they've had to cut down.  I'm definitely putting a deep pin placement on 13 (deep left and straight out) are the two options.  I'm going to have parks and rec pull out old 14 right placement once the new placements are in.  I don't expect to make all the changes this year, but gradually we'll have more variety of tee pads and placements, and maybe even some new tee signs as well.  I'm also going to ask parks and rec if they have any extra benches and trash cans, as a few disappeared last year.  Later-Bob Hayett

Prairie Center / thanks for the response
« on: March 06, 2006, 10:37:39 PM »
The vast majority of people I've talked to really like the new holes.  They are still a work in progress.  I hope to put in another couple of teepads on number 15 (both longer shots over the water).  I'm also going to meet with the arborist and head of mowers out there soon to see if we can get some trees planted to separate number 15 and number 16 fairway, as well as how much the mowers can mow (hopefully past the bare trees beyond the current long pin placement).  We CANNOT cut out any more trees and brush without the arborist's permission.  I"m going to put in an even deeper pin placement, and cut a NARROW path, similar to the paths we already have.  PLEASE DON'T GO OUT THERE AND DO ANY MORE CUTTING.  Sooner or later houses will be going in adjacent to the barbed-wire, and the residents will appreciate a bunch of trees between their new homes and the ballfield.  I'm also going to put new pin placements on 13, 14, 15, and 16, as well as eventually new teepads on some other holes as well.  Through the next year I hope we can make changes to further enhance the course and make it more fun to play.  Later-Bob Hayett

Prairie Center / Lots of new players on the course
« on: March 05, 2006, 10:22:28 PM »
Today was a beautiful day (Sunday 3/5) and there were lots of new people out on the course.  I was moving pins and was happy to see all the new faces out there.  If you happen to be out at Prairie Center and see someone you don't recognize, tell them about the club and about the leagues we have.  A lot of people don't even know there is a club.  With all these new players out at the courses around town we should be able to recruit many new members to the club.  It might just be a matter of mentioning it to them and carrying some membership applications with you.  Later-Your course coordinator Bob Hayett

General Banter / League doubles handicap
« on: February 27, 2006, 05:13:24 PM »
My idea for handicap is NOT to use any handicap during the season.  I believe that by having random draw AND playing a different format every week (best shot, worst shot, alternate shot, etc.) that will in effect make the league play more even.  If we have a club doubles championship it would be the FAIREST to utilize a handicap system to match people up for that event.  For league play handicaps make the most sense for am players, it gives them a chance to win something.  Most of the people I've talked to so far favor a random draw.  They don't want to feel obligated to participate every week, and I agree with that.  As an incentive for participation, having an ace fund that pays 100% or close to 100%, will get more people out to play.  Also, if we do schedule a club doubles championship, and require some level of participation to qualify (say 50%) that also will get more people out.  Also having the doubles play at different courses each week might make it easier for some people to show up.  Another problem I'm hearing is that a lot of players won't be participating on weekends since they are playing various tournaments around the area.  We may want to consider having the doubles during the week somehow.  Again, there's still lots of time to figure out everything.  Keep sending ideas out, you're welcome to call me at 913-888-8863.  Later-Bob Hayett

General Banter / league doubles
« on: February 26, 2006, 11:26:33 PM »
I'm against having the same partner every week.  If two very strong players get teamed up it wouldn't be very fair, regardless of handicap.  Also by having a random draw each week, it is unlikely that one person would have to be cali very often.  Also I wouldn't want a very strong player to play cali very often either.  Paying at the end doesn't make sense to me.  Could you imagine how PISSED OFF someone would be if they participated every week, played in the club doubles championship and won nothing?  By having a random draw and paying every week it gives everyone a chance to win something.  Also by varying the format each week it also gives more people a chance to win something.  As far as the handicap is concerned, I would only use it at the club doubles championship, teaming the player with the lowest  (best) handicap with the player with the highest (worst) handicap.  Again, handicap is based on the position you finish each week, not on the score.  Since we will be playing different courses each week, the scores will probably vary greatly, and it will be much easier to handicap by position.  Also, by using the handicap at the league doubles championship it will be much easier to keep track of everyone's handicap, and much easier to run the double's league, we just show up, have a random draw and play.  I would post each week everyone's finish and the running handicap for the season.  If you happen to play cali any particular week, whatever place you finish that day (third, seventh, first, etc.) would be added in to your handicap as if you played with a partner that day.   I would also like to see a more liberal payout than using the club league singles payout, and I like the idea of paying the ace fund out in full if it is hit, and having a way to completely pay it out at the league doubles championship (CTP is necessary).  Whatever format we eventually play, I'm sure it won't make everyone happy.  I'm open to all suggestions at this point.  We have lots of time to figure it all out.  Later-Bob Hayett

General Banter / League doubles
« on: February 26, 2006, 10:02:01 AM »
I don't like the idea of having the same partner every week. What if one of you can't make it to a league doubles.  Also what if a month into the season a bunch of new players want to join?  I think random draw is the way to go. I also don't like the idea of not paying out each week and waiting until the end of the year.  We have to keep the sandbagging down to a minimum.  As far as the handicapping, it's much easier to keep track of a handicap based on placement rather than score.  Let's say for example you play for five weeks and the teams you play on finish first, third, eighth, fourth, and fourth, your handicap would be (1+3+8+4+4=20 divided by 5=4) 4.  Also by playing a different format each week (best shot, worst shot, alternate shot,etc.) this would not always favor the strongest players.  The different formats makes the scoring more even.  If we have a club doubles championship at the end of the season then we need to set a minimum doubles league attendance to qualify, say 50% or something.  This way we may get better attendance.  Also I like the idea of an ace fund that pays 100% whenever it's hit, and have a way to pay it all out at the club doubles championship (CTP if needed).  This way we would have better attendance as well.  I appreciate all the input, I'll be looking at all  kinds of doubles formats from disc golf and ball golf and hopefully come up with something that the majority like and want to participate in.  Later-Bob Hayett

General Banter / league doubles
« on: February 24, 2006, 09:26:04 PM »
I've got a good idea of how I want the doubles league to run.  I definitely want to play a different course each week.  We'll probably have random draw for a number of weeks.  Each player will have a handicap based on what place they finish each week.  For example, if I finish first, third, fifth, and then third, my handicap would be third for four weeks of doubles play.  I'd also like to have best shot one week, alternate shot the next week, worst shot the next week, etc.  Maybe at the end of the year we could have a club championship doubles tournament (near the same time as the club singles championship).  In order to qualify to play in the doubles championship a player would have had to participate in maybe a third of the league doubles.  Then I would match the player with the best handicap with the player with the worst handicap, second best handicap with second worst handicap, etc.  At the tournament play alternate shot, this way everyone has a shot to win something.  I would also like to have a separate ace fund for the doubles league, if no aces are hit during the season and the tournament have a CTP contest that pays it all out.  I think this would attract more players to the doubles league and end of season tournament.  These are just some ideas I have.  I really enjoy doubles and I'm looking forward to running a doubles league.  Later-Bob Hayett

General Banter / League doubles
« on: February 23, 2006, 11:20:18 PM »
I have volunteered to run a doubles league.  We talked possibly about starting it at 10:00 on Saturdays.  I would prefer switching courses from week to week.  As far as the format I haven't got that ironed out.

Winter Leagues / Prairie Center Saturday
« on: February 23, 2006, 11:16:36 PM »
The ace fund has grown towards $500 (might be over this).  Come on out and take a crack at it.  Tee off at 11:00.  Later-Bob Hayett

Prairie Center / tee signs
« on: February 23, 2006, 11:10:34 PM »
I personally prefer simple diagrams as opposed to actual aerial photgraphs of the holes.  I think the photo signs they had at Waterworks looked bad, you could hardly see the baskets in the photos.  Also we need to wait until we have all the new pin placements in the ground and there may be new tee pads going in soon as well as possibly moving a few more existing pads.  I'm getting together with parks and rec here in a few weeks to talk about erosion as well as with the mower chief to plan where they will mow on #15 and #16.  As far as pin placements are concerned, we will have another 12 pins very soon, Pete Cashen will be getting me the rest.  Let's be patient on tee signs, I'm all for moving quick on a kiosk course map, especially one that is easily changeable when new pins/and or tee pads go in.  Later-Bob Hayett

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