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Cliff Drive / Re: pulling the course
« Last post by jack on October 22, 2014, 05:15:07 PM »

Why doesn't the club organize committees to handle certain jurisdictions?
That way people are responsible for their backyard.

You are the CLUB, why aren't you organizing this?  There are over 300 active paid members, and yet only a handful actually do the work.  This is the problem as I see it, and I for one am tired of asking for help only to have my friends and myself work the land.  You wanna know how many club members actually came out to help clean up........less than 1/2 were active members, some were expired members, and many were just friends of mine because they know how I love the course so.

So the issue stands why should I engage my friends to help at disc golf courses, when club members don't show the support for the courses that they should.  Every club member should be spending at least 10 hours a year in a park helping to clean it.  Dedicated time, not playing and picking up trash (though you who do that are awesome, please don't stop).

I am at this point tired of reading about New courses when we can't maintain existing ones. 

Here is the deal.  We agree as an organization to help clean and maintain the parks we have courses in.  Rob's mentality is completely false in "
I'm willing to work at Cliff when Kansas City, MO actually proactively does something to prevent it from being a sh!t hole for the local population. 

That is problem one.  Not accepting that we agreed to help, and guess what, this isn't a suburban landscape.  It is A THOUSAND times better than when we started.  It is MAINTENANCE in keeping it looking better, and yes ILLEGAL dumping happens out here and we have to pick up from the tweakers, the hookers, the hispanics, the white red neck arses, the idiot disc golfers that break bottles, the irresponsible immigrant that doesn't know any better.

Ultimately though it is but a few that step up.  So when I post a note asking if anyone is interested in helping EXPAND cliff......crickets.  So %$#@ it, I am telling the city to pull it.  I am also going to be telling the city to move to a pay to play disc golf environment, because though you pay dues to be a club member, the time has come that you must do more because our sport has grown, and the courses are in crappy shape and nothing is being done.

Start to pay to play and maybe we can replace trees easier than having events with 43 people coming out to "I love that course" how can I help....

It is quite simple, we aren't engaged as we should be as an organization and as stewards to the land.  We don't deserve Cliff Drive, its not the city that doesn't deserve it is the disc golfers that ignore the work it takes to make it better that don't deserve it.
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Cliff Drive / Re: pulling the course
« Last post by robm on October 22, 2014, 05:12:36 PM »
It appears your heart is set Jack.

Too bad other thoughtful suggestions were not considered.

1. Dumpsters - lots of them.  All over.  Seriously, like 5 business size dumpsters every 800 feet.  I'm not kidding.

2. BIG signs that warn dumping is a crime.  Not the little 8.5" * 11" pathetic signs on actual Cliff Drive, but big 3' by 4' signs with 5" letters that lists the dollar penalty for getting caught dumping trash.  Put them in the actual problem areas on Reservoir Dr,

3. Replace the plastic trash cans when they break so they actually hold trash.

But, instead, we are going to do this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throw_out_the_baby_with_the_bath_water
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Cliff Drive / Re: pulling the course
« Last post by jack on October 22, 2014, 05:02:57 PM »
It has been written on here over and over and over....too many courses for too few workers. 

Please - pull the course!  Then maybe the other courses will have more people to work them.

Thanks.
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Cliff Drive / Re: pulling the course
« Last post by The Nailer™ on October 22, 2014, 05:01:21 PM »
KC does not have too many courses.  It has too many dipshats who trash the course with beer bottles and junk.  Personally, that course is great!  The view, history and reservoir are awesome!  The Hookers and tweakers trash the place.  I'm not in the business of cleaning up Hooker and tweaker mess. 

Why doesn't the club organize committees to handle certain jurisdictions?  That way people are responsible for their backyard. If they want to let their community course turn into a landfill then it's on them.  If they want to keep it up, then that's the way it should be.  Maybe reach out to the neighbors to keep an eye out for any signs of sketch going on and report it.  Public relations MAN!!

I doubt any of the junk you find at BV or CD is from a club member.  It's like picking up the highway.  It's the lazy slackjob who tossed his fats food bag out the window because the floor of his Malibu is already full with junk.
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Cliff Drive / Re: pulling the course
« Last post by CD on October 22, 2014, 04:41:09 PM »
Noooo... I agree Cliff Drive is one of our best courses, but the City just doesn't care if the park gets trashed. It seems now they want more users to enjoy the park, but will it be maintained by only us? What to do, what to do?
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Found and Lost / Re: Found PC - Pond
« Last post by The Nailer™ on October 22, 2014, 04:40:03 PM »
Save your breath, I know some idiot could have found it elsewhere and thrown it in the pond too.
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Found and Lost / Found PC - Pond
« Last post by The Nailer™ on October 22, 2014, 04:38:41 PM »
If your name is Caleb and you threw some plastic in the pond at PC.  Tell me what you lost and what the number is under your name and The Nailer will return it.

Just another reason the pond needs to be drained. 
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Tournaments / Re: 2014 KC Mini Series
« Last post by MK on October 22, 2014, 04:22:34 PM »
Charles Bryan is listed twice...  3 tournaments and 1 tournament.  I think he played 4 and not 3.
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Cliff Drive / Re: pulling the course
« Last post by robm on October 22, 2014, 04:06:21 PM »
I'm not the only one with this opinion.  The more I know Mike, the more I agree with him.

Dude, have you seen it out there lately? What a mess. Those people in that neighborhood don't deserve anyone coming out there to break a sweat for them anymore. There's a disc golf course there as a result of lots of peoples' hard work but other than that, what difference has any of it made out there? And then there's the work you'll do that'll end up being pointless when someone decides to put a bike trail in. I've had it up to here. You go ahead and put your work in at Cliff only to have some dirtbag sh1t all over it again afterwards. There are other places where your work will be better appreciated and the fruits of which might actually last.

+1 for a KCFDC member that has 'had it' with Cliff Drive.  Too bad, because that track of land could be beautiful.
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Cliff Drive / Re: pulling the course
« Last post by robm on October 22, 2014, 04:00:05 PM »
OK - comments like this create an 'open air' discussion.  This thread is probably just one great big troll, but I'm taking the bait.  Just a forwarning as my comments will be sharp and to the point.

I have put in time out there, only to see the work evaporated.  For the life of me, I can't figure out why you would create extra work for yourself and everyone else when the current situation can't be maintained?  Why take the time (and club money for equipment rental) to put in work for holes 2 and 3 when it is hard to get the work to maintain what is there.  Only a fool goes into debt when they can't pay the bank what they owe in the first place.  Instead of growing the course, maybe work towards maintaining it first?

As I have wrote before, I'm not working out there anymore until the city actually does something to STOP people from trashing it.  It's bull to think that I'm going drive 60 miles to work in someone's back yard to only come back a month later and see people have abused it.

I'm willing to work at Cliff when Kansas City, MO actually proactively does something to prevent it from being a sh!t hole for the local population.  Steps have been taken to shut down parts of the park to stop the trash - which you have stated was a bad idea.  So - let's hear a good idea!  Put a frickin free dumpster at every entrance all ready.  Either the dump bags put it in the dumpster themselves, or the club puts it in a dumpster 2 months later.

I love Cliff Drive.  It is one of my favorite courses in a 100 mile radius.   But I'm also willing to let something die that can't live on it's own because people keep abusing it without penalty. 

It has been written on here over and over and over....too many courses for too few workers. 

Please - pull the course!  Then maybe the other courses will have more people to work them.

Thanks.
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