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General Banter / Re: No longer a thread about a tournament but a ridiculous argument
« Last post by jack on June 29, 2015, 03:43:21 pm »
I need to correct you.  For the Matchboxx 64, I'm the TD.  DDKC is the payout.  I will not be doing any payouts myself.  It is not me or DDKC.  It is just DDKC.  For this one event, I'm the TD for a DDKC event.

Just a question - it is my understanding that the contracts between the KCFDC and various P&R's have actually expired.

If so, the KCFDC actually has lost jurisdiction as to who can and cannot use the parks for disc golf events.

Makes sense (you TD'ng for DDKC)...Uncertain, but most of the contracts are current, even if they are "delayed", as in the writing with P-Hill I believe is in process as such even without a "signed" contract a pending agreement with the City still classifies it as a "club course" for up to 18 months, and can be amended to continue in lieu of signed contract by the BoD.

Most of the contracts are current though so your understanding of that is incorrect.

The belief that the support of the local clubs trumps those of the individual allows for the Club to work in conjunction with many municipalities that work towards the betterment and development of the sport through the combined efforts of the group at large and the parks departments through which the relationships maintain.

This is why it is IMPERATIVE that people use the club when thinking about holding events, it keeps things moving in the right direction, and it also helps to ensure that people are protected at club events by the policies in place and agreements made over the past 20 years in many instances in in the past couple in others.

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Tournaments / Re: Wide Open 2016
« Last post by ekolk on June 29, 2015, 03:41:13 pm »
Per all the "complaining", It costs us nothing to be polite folks. I am guilty of being short with people when I am exhausted, but really just say please and it goes so much further. I suggest Aaron, Derek, and Anthony play a round of golf. I think you all see you are all awesome and genuinely nice folks. The feedback is important as it is how we improve.  I was thinking a rope group at the tee and one at the basket for next year. As much as I want to play in the WO again, I think I will continue to volunteer. 
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General Banter / Re: No longer a thread about a tournament but a ridiculous argument
« Last post by Nova on June 29, 2015, 03:36:02 pm »
I also think that we are at a point where possibly only those "current" members get access to post
I just sent my money.
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I just read most of this discussion while on an extended break on the toilet. And that's about all I can add because I just flushed the rest of it down.
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General Banter / Re: No longer a thread about a tournament but a ridiculous argument
« Last post by robm on June 29, 2015, 03:32:24 pm »
I need to correct you.  For the Matchboxx 64, I'm the TD.  DDKC is the payout.  I will not be doing any payouts myself.  It is not me or DDKC.  It is just DDKC.  For this one event, I'm the TD for a DDKC event.

Just a question - it is my understanding that the contracts between the KCFDC and various P&R's have actually expired.

If so, the KCFDC actually has lost jurisdiction as to who can and cannot use the parks for disc golf events. 
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General Banter / Re: No longer a thread about a tournament but a ridiculous argument
« Last post by jack on June 29, 2015, 03:25:17 pm »
Matchboxx 64 (well hopefully it will be 72, I guess we'll see) is not a club event.  Neither is Chill at the Hill, Midwest Amateur Championships or the 2015 KC Mini Series which are also stickied under Tournaments.  I'm not positive, admitting that upfront, but I don't think the Trilogy Challenge or the Flippin' Sweat Tournament which are also stickied.

Jack - have you asked the original posters for those threads if their events are club events?  If not, why not?

Second - the answer regarding paying the club.  Please read the original post for this thread.  Your answer is there. Actually, it is also on the flyer (which I removed from this thread because this thread is no longer about the tournament) in very large font.

Those all pay for the club resources, I guess as long as you pay the club the money the times have changed.  P-Hill isn't a signed club course, MAC will be ran by one company....

Flippin Sweat Tourney wasn't on a KCFDC course.

My apologies Rob, I guess it boils down to me not understanding because I was told on the flier that you are charging the players to pay the club fee, I hadn't seen that portion before you yanked it down.

Hence my comments were made as such.  You didn't really answer you just said, only redeemable by me or DD KC....

Apologies didn't realize you were paying the club (or rather the players paying the fees) for the course. 

The time has come for the KCFDC to determine the best use of the events it "caters" to and determine that it may not be in the best instance to be a club but rather a facilitator of events is what I am getting at.

That isn't a "you thing" Rob, but rather something that I have been talking with people about now for quite some time.....quite some, and you may be the drift to make it happen.  Which in all honesty is pretty cool in many respects, change needs to happen to something here, because we can't continue in certain respects the way it has been done.

The KCFDC should be looking at a model to award events on Club Courses based on monetary return at this point, and only award it to those that meet certain requirements on their courses.

Only use the club services for those that "pay" (the term pay is loosely defined here in many areas) to be using it.

I also think that we are at a point where possibly only those "current" members get access to post, those TD's approved get more space, and banners on the site, and it is used as an income tool for those that comply with the standards.

I know you don't like me and you think that I always have it out for you, but that isn't really the case.  In most instances I enjoy that you are doing what you are doing, and think a lot can be learned from your adaptability and desire to go to the outliers.

But you don't want to see that way, you see it as the big man poking you.....and your events.....I see it as conversations for the next progression of the club which will be a more profit driven reality so that individuals like yourself may play in the KCFDC field, but only if paying the associated costs, and helping with the infrastructure to develop a stronger base to help with the continuation of the sport locally.
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General Banter / Re: No longer a thread about a tournament but a ridiculous argument
« Last post by robm on June 29, 2015, 03:13:30 pm »

Still haven't seen an answer from Rob about Disc Golf World though not being allowed to redeem vouchers.


I'm fairly certain DGW isn't taking vouchers for the MAC.  What's the issue here?
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General Banter / Re: No longer a thread about a tournament but a ridiculous argument
« Last post by robm on June 29, 2015, 03:12:05 pm »
Matchboxx 64 (well hopefully it will be 72, I guess we'll see) is not a club event.  Neither is Chill at the Hill, Midwest Amateur Championships or the 2015 KC Mini Series which are also stickied under Tournaments.  I'm not positive, admitting that upfront, but I don't think the Trilogy Challenge or the Flippin' Sweat Tournament which are also stickied.

Jack - have you asked the original posters for those threads if their events are club events?  If not, why not?

Second - the answer regarding paying the club.  Please read the original post for this thread.  Your answer is there. Actually, it is also on the flyer (which I removed from this thread because this thread is no longer about the tournament) in very large font.
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General Banter / Re: No longer a thread about a tournament but a ridiculous argument
« Last post by jack on June 29, 2015, 03:09:33 pm »
And all of that is Fine Nova, I didn't mean to take more out of it, but the basic premise was what I was getting at...

Still haven't seen an answer from Rob about Disc Golf World though not being allowed to redeem vouchers.

Really the gist of what I was getting at, and the drift is just that a drift in a forum.....

We are by most definitions a pretty light weight group of bashers and haters.....
 ;D
..... For the love of the game, the simplicity of it. There should be no factors outside of what it takes to simply enjoy the game.
.......Disc golf only has ONE opponent... Yourself. No one else can beat what you throw. You throw a disc because you chose to throw it. What it does after your throw is yours to control through hard work, dedication, skill, and luck.
So... do you play to win or simply play to enjoy the game and hopefully learn to play a sport as you should?

Some very good quotes in there for certain!!!
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General Banter / Re: Matchboxx 64, Match Play format tournament, 8/30/15 Swope Park
« Last post by Nova on June 29, 2015, 03:01:52 pm »
Huh?  What Dig are you talking about, I have no idea of what you are talking about.

(. . .)

So I guess I have no clue WTF it is you think I am passively getting at, b/c I don't.  So if you want to enlighten me, please do, otherwise if I have something to say, trust me I will say it.
It would appear that I was mistaken, then. Apologies for an unfair accusation.


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Just like a TD can make decisions on changing things.   I am not going to chastise Rob for changing things, but what if he doesn't get 8 women and now his event isn't as he had hoped?

As my endless complaining was a part of the cause of this change, rest assured that I will be sweating bullets until all 8 spots are filled, and I'm going to be hustling around to make sure that it happens. There's nothing I hate more than when someone correctly tells me "I told you so" after the fact, so if I can prevent that dismal outcome, I will.


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We can have discussions, they can be varying points of views, and it shouldn't all be taken personally.
That's always a good reminder.
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