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Lakeside Hills / Glow Standings
« Last post by Cade on November 06, 2017, 08:55:30 AM »
Glow standings through week 3:

Name                      Rounds Played   Avg. Score       Total Winnings

Brian Taylor                 3                    53               $33.50
Mark Albers                 2                    52               $25.50
Steve Thimmesch         2                    52               $21.00
Chase Neal                 3                    54               $16.00
Anthony Pfeifer                 3                    56               $16.00
Cade Garrelts                 3                    55               $15.00
Andy Lewis                 2                    56               $15.00
Zack Bradrick                 1                    52               $15.00
Matt Bergkamp                 1                    54               $14.00
Tom Butler                         3                    55               $9.50
Bryan Guthrie                 1                    55               $5.00
Rob Haney                       3                    58               $4.50
Leevarn Sarvis                 2                    56               $0.00
Tommy Selle                 1                    56               $0.00
Dan Leweke                 1                    56               $0.00
DNO                                 2                    57               $0.00
Jeff Waldron                 1                    56               $0.00
Randy Gifford                 1                    57               $0.00
Kelly Chrismon                 1                    59               $0.00
Billy Lee                         1                    57               $0.00
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Lakeside Hills / Re: Lakeside Hills is OPEN!
« Last post by Tom on November 06, 2017, 06:24:36 AM »
  We have known for a couple years that the City of Olathe was planning to use the old golf course at Lakeside Hills for a new park. We were told when we put in Birdland that it most likely would be temporary. We were also told that only a few of the back holes (14, 15, 16, 17) would be affected. Last week Pete Cashen, Cade Garrelts and I met with the City and their Park Design firm to look over their plans. The majority of holes are affected by the new park plan and Birdland as we know it will not exist once construction starts in late spring of 2018. The course will likely be pulled partially or completely during construction for approximately one year and a revised or new version put in after the main construction is complete.

 We have been provided the new plan, complete with the Park Design Firm's course modifications. In the meeting I proposed I evaluate the proposed changes, and look at a complete redesign as well. That is where we are today. I received the design firm's survey file and the new park plan file Friday 11-3-17 in the afternoon, and I have just started looking at it in detail. We will have a good idea by the end of November what direction the course layout will be taking. But ultimately the course will be shorter, tighter, and less of a Championship level course, with a new park road and a bike/walk trail crossing thru the land we once roamed freely upon.

 Let's be optimistic and glad to be able to have a course at all. We had Birdland to ourselves for five years.  8)

 Cade, Pete or I will provide updates as we find out the path forward.
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Lakeside Hills / 10-30-17 Olathe GLOW
« Last post by Tom on November 06, 2017, 05:56:49 AM »
Mostly clear skies, 12 mph northwest winds, dry Earth, temperature around 54, and a 3/4 moon is how it was for the 12 players that attended week three of the thirteenth season of Olathe GLOW. The pins were in mostly all short positions except for 12 and 17. As posted earlier, we will play GLOW at Birdland thru November.

Brian Taylor & Cade Garrelts        52 for $30
Andy Lewis & Zack Bradrick         52 for $30
Steve Thimmesch & Chase Neal    53
Tom Butler & Leevarn Sarvis        55
Deano & Billy Lee                        57
Rob Haney & Anthony Pfeifer       58

With all twelve getting in the ACE fund increased to $858.
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by Tracy on November 05, 2017, 04:26:24 PM »
The increase in chains allows for more ACES and long up shots to stick.
Sure, the evolution of basket designs allows for those things. But there hasn't been a single chain link added to target design to increase the number of aces or long shots.  Every increment of target evolution has been solely to reduce missed putts from poorly executed shots.  The motivation being that the targets were not functioning to optimal "catching" capacity.  Bah.  The person missing the putt wasn't performing to optimal athletic ability.
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by Tom on November 05, 2017, 09:21:26 AM »
The target zone size isn't and hasn't changed from the beginning. The increase in chains allows for more ACES and long up shots to stick. Putting soft on calm days my putts stay in, and on windy days jamming the putts in works too. I like the Discatcher 28 and the Mach X's. To each his own though, and lucky for all of us that know more chains is dilly dilly.
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by otter on November 03, 2017, 09:54:48 PM »
Dilly dilly.   ;D
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by Tracy on November 03, 2017, 05:59:25 PM »
Imagine baseball, coach pitched, played on a softball diamond. <facetiously>The game would be so much more enjoyable.  Every pitch... Gone.  No silly strikeouts or walks. Gone or you're out!  Baseball would be so much more entertaining. Every game a “Home Run Derby." Every kid would want to play baseball.  The growth of baseball would be phenomenal.  Let's do this MLB commissioner!</facetiously>

What disc golf is doing to the target could be loosely compared to if basketball made the rim larger and larger in diameter.  Standard hoop size is 18."   If it were the PDGA approving basketball hoop standard size, by now basketball hoops would be 3 feet in diameter.  (we have to make the game enjoyable for everyone, after all) Wait!  It still would be much harder to shoot a basket than putting is in disc golf.  Lower that 3 foot diameter basket to a rim height of 6 feet. Now we're talking. Everyone! SLAM it home!  Basketball would become even more popular 'cause everyone can do it.  blech!

Ok, back to reality. The escalation of heavier and more chained up targets is rewarding those with a very specific style of finishing out; I call them Jammers.  The object of the game used to be to get the disc into the "basket." When targets had a sparsely configured set of a dozen or so chains, finishing out actually required touch. If you didn’t use touch, you blew through or bounced off the chains or rattled out of the basket. The object of the game now days is to slam the disc into a wall of chains designed to prevent all those unwanted results above.  Touch is no longer required, just the ability to jam the disc into the chains. And OMG I’m going to throw a tizzy if those chains don’t hang on to my disc like it’s their newborn baby! 

Don’t fret, we all know Chainless baskets aren’t going to happen.  I just threw that out there as a radical counter to the current direction of the sport.  Anyone with any power to make changes to the game is not seriously considering moving the sport in the direction of making it more challenging. Disc golf target evolution was not guided by the PDGA to encourage players to get better, it has evolved to make it easier to play. It’s that simple.

If you feel putting is still too difficult, don't expect better “catching" devices.  Instead, get good through practice, practice, practice.  Not practice rounds but field practice, putting practice, hours and hours, thousands and thousands of throws every week. If you're not able or willing to do that, then accept that you're a casual golfer, not a competitive one. As such, parts of the game you're not naturally good at are going to be frustrating.  For some their frustration may be driving,  for others it may be putting. And for most casual golfers, both.

Anyway, basket design isn't going to radically change anytime soon.  It will likely continue to evolve into bigger, heavier, more dense masses of chains to appease the whiners while at the same time making the game easier than ever, thus more appealing to the masses.  Oh and it’ll be very appealing to the disc manufacturers (all the way to the bank) when that 250g “Wall (of chains) Jammer” is approved for play, by the PDGA (because there will be throngs of whiners that begin to complain that their 175g putters can’t push aside all those chains in the modern baskets and as such are getting too many “kickbacks/rejections”). The eager masses will rush to plunk down their $20 each for that radical, game changing, disc design.   

If you made it this far, remember this: Every single putt you ever missed, or ever will miss, is your responsibility.  None of those missed putts was, nor ever will be, the targets fault.  If everyone had earnestly accepted that truth all through this sports history, we might still be “putting”  instead “jamming” aside a massive wall of chains to finish out each hole.
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Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: BAD ROCK GLOW 2017/2018
« Last post by EL KUJO on November 03, 2017, 08:59:50 AM »
Jesse James in Kearney tonight
$5 RDD 6pm start.
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Tournaments / Re: 2018 Kansas City Wide Open--A Tier and then some--June 8-11
« Last post by Jerry Patterson on November 02, 2017, 05:58:42 PM »
Yes.
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Tournaments / 2018 Kansas City Wide Open--A Tier and then some--June 8-11
« Last post by jack on November 02, 2017, 04:50:55 PM »
I wanted to get out that we will be hosting the 2018 Wide Open on June 8-10.

As of right now the plan will be to use the following courses, but will be subject to change--Blue Valley(uncertain if it will be normal, or modified), Cliff Drive--Will probably use a newer configuration than what is there now, based on conversations with the PnR about changes and additions I want to see.  WaterWorks--depends on proposed path changes....and there will be a special course TBD.  At this point I am uncertain if it will be a "replacement" Swope, if it will be something that I need work with PnR with another piece of their land, or if it is just going to be so special that we will have to have a local event to map out what gets used.  Basically will be a 4 round event

The A/Tier will be Pro/AM, there will not be a performance flight this year at the Wide Open.  The Players Pack will be determined over the next couple of months as to whether I am going to do a trophy only or not will depend on what comes up to value and make that determination.  Pricepoint will probably be in the $75/range for Am's and $125 for Pro, possible $150 for Open.  I am hopeful to have a B/C Tieron Sat/Sun for Int/Rec divisions, and it will be Trophy only, probably $50 entry (ADD pdga FEES if not current), and more than likely will be 3 rounds for that.  If things progress to where I want them to go, there may be an additional $20/person fee that will accompany the event, but that will be dependent upon course replacement.

What I am hopeful for is the following-
36 to 54--Tee sign sponsors--$100 each ($250 for player sponsored free entry)
Players--I want us to be back over 350 in 2018
Support staff--Ideally we have 4 people per course as our "leadership" squad, and then have at least 4-7 support staff/spotters etc....
Support leading up to the event on the courses--workdays will be announced in advance, and notify me of scenarios on courses that need to take place and be rectified
A good time for all of us to enjoy some great disc golf, rather playing, spectating, or supporting.

There are so many things I am leaving off, but I wanted to start to get the nuts and bolts about the event out as quickly as I could once the date was announced
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