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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by EL KUJO on November 02, 2017, 08:28:46 AM »
Look at this thing. 

https://www.pdga.com/files/u1370/prodigy_pro_dg_t1.jpg

So many chains criss-crossing about, you can barely see through the contraption.  We know those horizontal connector chains are there to improve "catching" by reducing blow-throughs of hard *jams*.  But at the same time this design is increasing the amount of mass that the static massed disc has to push against to successfully hole out. Which rewards even harder *jamming.* Eventually the PDGA will be forced to approve a much heavier but same diameter "jammer," so the force of the throw can knock all those chains aside. When will the escalation end?

It can end right now by evolving the game to chainless targets.

Played a course in Smyrna, TN with those baskets and loved them, no spit outs! I like them more than the Mach X for sure
Innova Disc Catcher 28's are always great too! the heavier chains really help keep my putts in.
Imagine Barry Bonds trying to sweetly sink a 101g polecat in a mach 3.... perfection? hardly.....

HEAVY DUTY PREFERRED PLEASE!!!!
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by jhinck2 on November 02, 2017, 08:17:25 AM »
Tracy must not have ever seen me putt.   ;D
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by jamidanger on November 01, 2017, 04:37:33 PM »
Yeah ' grow the sport '  is not in my realm. Keep disc golf as a game, keep it free, keep it fun.
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by Tracy on November 01, 2017, 04:34:24 PM »
Yes,  "steady" Ed's target design was intended to solve the "did I hole out" controversy and to entice the masses.  The basket solved the first issue and the chains solved the second.  However, in my opinion, the chain structure was overkill from the beginning.
<snip> I remember the first time I played disc golf and I shot 38 over par at Cliff Drive (poor course choice by my friends for my first course).  If there were no chains on those baskets it would've been probably 100+ over par because unlike what Tracy said...I still believe putting to be the hardest part of the game.  Would I have come back after shooting 100+ over par???  Likely not. 

Maybe you would have shot closer to par with chainless baskets?  Maybe you would have considered the difficulty of the shot in front of you and instead of jamming it off the chains or air-mailing the shot altogether.  You lay up, then drop in.  But I imagine the bulk of your shots that day at Cliff were actually errant throws into the woods or OB (plus strokes), rather than a collection of 3 and 4 putts on each hole.  Yes, getting from tee to basket is actually more challenging than putting into a chain/basket structure.
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by otter on November 01, 2017, 03:24:30 PM »
Putting has become the easiest part of the game of disc golf due to the ever evolving design of chain/basket targets.

 :-X :o 

Another vote for Discatchers...though, they don't sound as pretty ching-wise.
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by jhinck2 on November 01, 2017, 03:16:48 PM »
For me I'd just like to see disc golf being more mainstream.  We've finally got ourselves onto SportsCenter, discs are being sold at major retailers, there is live streaming coverage, our top pros are sponsored by some of the bigger shoe manufacturers...  We're getting there but how cool would it be to have some college teams to the point where there are conferences and legitimate match-ups and not just one big college tournament every year?  Maybe even high schools could get into it.  Let's get the USDGC or last round of Worlds on TV...the list goes on. 

Another thing to think about is you're thinking about Kansas City in specific with regard to # of courses and how our tournaments end up turning people away.  KC disc golf is massive and unlike most cities across America.  I think there are still far more ball golf courses nationwide (I could be wrong) and far too many people out there who still don't even know what disc is or if they do know what it is and want to play in tournaments have to drive hours to play in one!  I would also note that probably 50% of the people that I speak with in public about being a regular disc golf player have no idea what I'm talking about and that's in Kansas City!  I guess to bring this full circle...more people playing equals more people bringing friends, relatives, etc. to the course and sharing the sport with them.  If they come to a course and don't enjoy themselves...what is to bring them back???  I remember the first time I played disc golf and I shot 38 over par at Cliff Drive (poor course choice by my friends for my first course).  If there were no chains on those baskets it would've been probably 100+ over par because unlike what Tracy said...I still believe putting to be the hardest part of the game.  Would I have come back after shooting 100+ over par???  Likely not. 
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by Kevin Montgomery on November 01, 2017, 03:02:05 PM »
And why is "Grow the sport" the singular mindset these days? It benefits manufacturers and retailers but how does growing the sport benefit the player? I'm not saying it isn't a good thing. I'm sincerely asking why "Grow the sport" floats to the top in all disc golf conversations these days. KC has over 30 courses within an hour of down town. Most events that take place end up having to turn people away. How much more does the sport need to grow before the focus can be placed elsewhere. Like refine the sport, improve the courses... etc...
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by jhinck2 on November 01, 2017, 02:54:55 PM »
I'm not so certain that making the baskets catch better is geared towards the top pros.  They account for what, maybe 5% of the total disc golfing population?  Does it benefit them to have baskets that catch more putts?  Yes.  Do they complain when the basket doesn't catch their putts?  Yes.  BUT, I think the reason disc golf basket manufacturers are doing it (in part) is to attract more players to the sport.  Do you think that if we remove the chains from the baskets more people will play disc golf?  I don't think so!  In my opinion it would drive people away!  It makes things infinitely harder when there are no chains.  Discs are flying faster, discs are flying easier and baskets are catching more putts (although it's odd...I can't ever get that to work out so well).  The game is more and more geared towards the amateur player and it's just part of it.  I get where you're going with this argument and "how things were in the good old days," but I don't think it makes sense from a "grow the sport" perspective.   
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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by robm on November 01, 2017, 02:53:27 PM »
I don't care for Mach X's myself.  Too many chains.  It pushes soft putts out.

I do think the Innova DISCatcher is a nice middle ground.

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General Banter / Re: Chainless
« Last post by jamidanger on November 01, 2017, 02:33:44 PM »
Or play cliff drive on a bad day when the scrapers remove all the chains
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