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General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« Last post by jack on July 22, 2014, 04:31:27 PM »
I have a whole spreadsheet of this as well as the Pro's, and I have it broken down as well for a combined total and percentages of participants for the worlds.  Now I don't take out DNF's, I leave them in as well though...the interesting thing to me is that 2009 was the BIGGEST worlds until 2011 in Charlotte.  and this year provided that the pools stay at their current level will have the largest AM and Pro worlds since then.  KC actually had more AM's than Emporia last year in the 2009 worlds.  I do NOT count Jr's in the total in case you wonder how that happens.  Jr worlds, though important typically don't equate to more than one pool that needs to be monitored.  In some years it is separated away from the other worlds, recently it has been part of the Am's for the most part.  Not to diminish, but statistically you know its one pool.

Now as for the mapping of the worlds, you need to look at the trends.  A brief glance indicates that the MM1 pool large one year, the next year the MG1 tends to go up the next......except it has flattened and mirrored each other since Charlotte, so nowyou plan and map a pool for each division, where this year there are 145 in those divisions, last year there was 165, so Emporia chose to open more slots than Minnesota, but they have more attendees as they are looking at 530 in the AM field versus 476 last year in Emporia.  So there is 20 slots that didn't happen, and you can bet it was a decision to not have a different pool with multiple divisions. 

Each TD makes a call as to what makes the most sense to them and their staff.  Last year Lemon Lake had 47 Pro Masters, and 57 Grandmasters, in 2010, they had 62 Pro Masters and 57 Grand Masters, both were lower, Pros were as well.  So the mystic of a new location can also add to that.  If you enjoyed playing you may return, if you played it, you may go elsewhere this year to play a new adventure....

You work closely on determining pools at the onset, and your courses, your staff, and the ability to work it.  Des Moines did 3 sets of tee times in 2004, I did 2 in 2003, this all matters on staff and scheduling. 

It is a nightmare to look at over and over again, but ultimately you hope to balance what is fair, then what works, and what will be balanced in competition.

This year clearly the MM1 and MG1 got less than last year, and FAR LESS than Charlotte (216 there) so almost 25 % from Emporia, and 33% from this year.....but it does mirror almost all other locations that hosted a "AM WORLDS" only, as only those that ran the combined appear to be able to manipulate the system to more than what you are seeing now.....
General Banter / Friday Traveling League - 7/25/2014 9am Waterworks
« Last post by hberciunas on July 22, 2014, 04:31:25 PM »
Waterworks should be set for the  MAC. Ace fund  $346.
PM round by request.
Tournaments / Re: 2014 Trilogy Challenge - Swope Park, MO - July 20th
« Last post by jhinck2 on July 22, 2014, 04:09:45 PM »
Everyone lost. It was very sad.

Timko, I will be there this weekend to weed eat those holes. The idea we use when we move it is for the players to walk it down and it works out well. I will be pulling out the old wood also that is laying in the brush on number one and other fairways.
Tournaments / Re: 2014 Trilogy Challenge - Swope Park, MO - July 20th
« Last post by dickthediscparker on July 22, 2014, 04:08:34 PM »
Everyone lost. It was very sad.
General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« Last post by tallguy007kc on July 22, 2014, 03:40:06 PM »
I guess the biggest thing I noticed was in the Adv. Masters division.  They used to be an A & B pool.  It's a single pool now, which looks to coincide with your percentages.  Without spending the time that it appears that you did here (Jack), I'm just curious as to how the divisions got split for allowed competitors, as I know there were more than what's playing now that wanted to sign up, and yet still get to be a bigger crowd.  The percentages for Advanced tell me slots were made available elsewhere?
Tournaments / Re: 2014 Trilogy Challenge - Swope Park, MO - July 20th
« Last post by AStomps on July 22, 2014, 03:29:27 PM »
what were the results on this?
Beginners / Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« Last post by jamidanger on July 22, 2014, 03:28:28 PM »
803.02 A
I think the relief line would be as far as you want or 'infinity' as some players state.
General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« Last post by jack on July 22, 2014, 02:31:36 PM »
Pro Mens % of the Pro Worlds Field since 2003
Flaggstaff   45%
Des Moines   46%
Allentown   43%
Augusta   42%
HighBridge   46%
K-Zoo   46%
KC   40%
Crown Pt.   44%
Santa Cruz   41%
Charlotte   37%
Crown Pt.   44%
Portland OR   37%
TOTAL    42%

Masters % of Pro Field since 2003
Flaggstaff   26%
Des Moines   26%
Allentown   20%
Augusta   20%
HighBridge   20%
K-Zoo   25%
KC   22%
Crown Pt.   20%
Santa Cruz   24%
Charlotte   25%
Crown Pt.   16%
Portland OR   18%
TOTAL    22%

% of Pro Grand Masters since 2003
Flaggstaff   15%
Des Moines   11%
Allentown   19%
Augusta   18%
HighBridge   13%
K-Zoo   12%
KC   17%
Crown Pt.   19%
Santa Cruz   16%
Charlotte   17%
Crown Pt.   19%
Portland OR   18%
TOTAL    16%

% of Pro Women making up the Pro Worlds Field since 2003
Flaggstaff   7%
Des Moines   8%
Allentown   8%
Augusta   8%
HighBridge   9%
K-Zoo   7%
KC   6%
Crown Pt.   6%
Santa Cruz   8%
Charlotte   8%
Crown Pt.   8%
Portland OR   10%
TOTAL    8%
Interestingly this is the first year above 40 (at 40) and the first year they represent double digits on the spectrum.....

Then there is the Sylvia Voakes rule.....she seems to be a 1 person division when playing......odd....almost as odd as the Advanced Legends division.....what are you really waiting for at that point?
General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« Last post by jack on July 22, 2014, 01:01:04 PM »
up 9% this year on the field.  The biggest notice to me is the lack of any movement b the womens division at all....
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