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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« Last post by Loomis on June 18, 2013, 09:40:17 AM »

The cavalier attitude about weather is exactly what will come back to haunt some event and then we'll see what you think. The weather was sour and it was going to be an issue and we should have been pulled when lightning and thunder were present. Period. Again, your opinion was all that mattered according to the PDGA but I suspect that's about to change. Quite a few cards at swope were put off by the lack of appropriate action on behalf of this one call and felt it was handled poorly. Of course, the moments passed now and most of them have left town - though a few locals who could comment on the errant call are not "forum dwellers" and therefore have made no mention of their opinion.

I had no issues with any other aspects of the tournament other than the errant call at swope. I applaud everyone and everything else about the event and have my times both before, during and after the tournament. I stand by my statement about the call and will make my concerns about it known to the PDGA directly.

In the ocean of decisions that had to be made this weekend, this is the only one I have disagreed with. So consider yourself - and this event - a success! Pat yourself on the back again, jack, and try not to feel victimized because a few locals can twist your ear about what they thought about the weekend. I'm sure your vanity will survive this and, certainly, all future calamities that may befall you.

So can we please dump the empty, "then you run it then" woe-is-me responses?

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« Last post by Cooper on June 18, 2013, 09:37:10 AM »

http://www.pdga.com/rules/competition-manual/section-1-tournament-procedures/17-suspension-of-play

This rule sucks. With elections coming up I hope all of us contact some board members and those hoping to be elected and talk to them about it and how to improve it.

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General Banter / Re: New Course Potential in Prairie Village

« Last post by white mccoy on June 18, 2013, 09:36:24 AM »

Great News!!!

Thank you Mike and Ben and PV!

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« Last post by Cooper on June 18, 2013, 09:34:39 AM »

Boy, can't even take a compliment about a well run tournament.

The books: Not a problem for the locals but if I hadn't been local I would've been pissed. All in all not a big deal as they were, as you pointed out, mostly right. That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that they were wrong. It is a statement of fact and if we aim to improve in future years we can't be afraid of seeing the failures.

The tee-times: Not so sure why you're pissed off that I prefer events with tee times. It is a preference. Many great events operate exclusively on tee times and I, personally, like those events the best. You may not. It is opinion and while still open for debate, highly personal. As for saying that finishing at BV before the storm rolled in showed by tee times are not better I would point you to the old saying about hindsight. It is weak to suggest that because it worked in this instance it 'necessarily' means that it was better this way. But, lest you latch on to this one point to get upset about, let me say it again: the argument over tee times is largely an issue of preference.

The players' meeting: Not worth attending based on previous experience. I've played too many tournaments where it is simply a waste of time to even attend an on course meeting (though I still do). When it is off course and the night before an event and an hour away from my house, I'm not going to be there. Any pertinent information could and should still be covered at the course. And, in case you choose to berate me for not getting a caddy book as a result of not checking in myself I would say maybe make the check in times more friendly for those locals that are working the day before the event. Most days I would have been able to do it myself but that particular day was hectic at work and I didn't leave till almost 5, and hour after check in closed. The next time that I had heard I would be able to check in was around the players' meeting, which was several hours after the fact and not worth waiting for.

The lightning: Let me reiterate for those of you that can't seem to understand the point that I am making about this. I'm not talking about this particular instance and largely I'm speaking to the overall PDGA rules of competition but I think there needs to be a brightline standard for when to suspend play. Say any strike within 30 miles suspends play for at least 30 minutes or something like that. With that there also needs to be a reliance on the technology that we have to make the call for us. I've seen too many events where the TD is unwilling to call players off because they don't want to be viewed as making the call too early. And on the other side of it I'm sure there are times when the TD has called players off too early. My point is that there just need to be clear rules and clear devices that activate those rules.

In sum, it was a great tournament. Thanks to all the volunteers for making it happen. Thanks most of all to Jack for being the figurehead that has to deal with all of the circumstances that come up. Now, can we all stop being so sensitive and have real discussion about what went well and what didn't go so well so that we aren't doomed to repeat the latter?

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General Banter / Re: Rosedale update

« Last post by zumagun on June 18, 2013, 09:30:44 AM »

The hours of most parks are usually sun up to sun down. And one of the possible conclusions to this event could be the installation of a gate by the city.

Rosedale is my home course, and I was absolutely gutted to hear what happened Sunday morning.  Our reaction after this tragedy is natural and predictable.  We're all upset and want the cops, power company and/or the city to take the blame.

I know the news has asked the question "Why was the downed line left unattended by BPU for so long?"  I think the real question is "Why was the downed line left unattended by anybody for so long?"  Laying in the grass, it was a deadly trap.

If the tournament was called off because some armed bear traps were found scattered around the practice basket, would people still have left the park without knowing the traps were disarmed or cordoned off?

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USM / Re: USM Disc Golf 2013

« Last post by Kevin Montgomery on June 18, 2013, 09:25:49 AM »

Playing the 22-Hole layout at USM again this evening to celebrate the impending Summer Solstice. If making it to USM is easier than OP or Swope please join us. We may even do a little grilling afterward.

It should be a great evening for disc golf in KC and beyond! If you can't join us at USM get out and throw somewhere!

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Swope / Re: Swope League 2013

« Last post by jack on June 18, 2013, 09:23:37 AM »

Thank you guys for helping.  I know it is a mess, the P&R were shut out of their parking area for over 2 weeks, and we needed to pull baskets to give them back their space.  I have a prior commitment today and will not be able to help as I had planned on moving the baskets back to their locations.  Feel free to slap me the next time you see me in regards to the notion of messing with the best "gulley golf" in KC.

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Tournaments / Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

« Last post by jack on June 18, 2013, 09:16:37 AM »

Only a few instances of the Caddy Book were off, and that was from the information that was given to me by the person that did it.  I didn't do my due diligence in double checking all the information as I normally do because it was done by a third party this year in an effort to make it look better.  Since I am not running the event it will not be an issue next year for me.

THe weather is the weather.  You don't pull people off a course because there is a storm in the area 35 minutes away.  Kevin and I were in communication as I was with all the Course Directors about the timing of pulling people off.  Did we wait to long and some people got wet, sure, but the immediate threat that seems to be a topic in here wasn't the case.  Seeing lightning 20-30 miles away and having the technology to view it on the phones now adays makes the lightning detectors not as needed as some are implying here.  The PDGA used to have them and with the advent of the phones and the technology it is easy to identify patterns.

Too many times in our area it rains in Olathe and doesn't at WW, the same is made of Swope to Rosedale.  THe weather shifts, we were watching it, and when it looked to be as though that it was going to be passing over the areas affected, play was called.  Simple as that.  THe fact that it was discussed, "oh it's coming" as Loomis indicated, so what, it is coming, that doesn't mean pull them off right then, you pull them off when it becomes unsafe which is what happened.

AS for tee times, I will say it again and this really @#)(*&(*@#&(*_#W& irritates me, had you attended the players meeting you would have known this.....tee times would have happened if there were enough players to support it.  There was a plan in place to make it happen, but I am not asking my all volunteer staff to sit outside in the hot sun an extra 5 hours so you can play on a tee time.  Had we had people to be there to make it happen plans were in place to have that happen in the NT division.  Tee-times don't make an event, so get over yourself in thinking that, an event is made by the players and the mindset and attitudes that they bring.

THose of you that complained about tee times on the NT, the only thing that I really can say is that with tee times, the event wouldn't have finished and we would have quite possibly had to suspend play until Sunday at Blue Valley.  I for one was glad that tee times didn't happen exactly for reasons like this weekend.  Someone playing at 10am, was having less weather than a 1 pm start for absolute certain.

Run large events sometimes and you will see that it isn't about you and your desires, it is about the other 308 players out there and ensuring a fair format that works for everyone to have a balanced chance at competition.

Overall some mistakes were made, the stupid Drop Zones at Swope I am still hating that I caved.  A caddy book is off a few places on distances and one line with a map.......you didn't get tee times, I can live with all of these errors.  Next time you want to do something your way, step up and run the event.  That is the only way you will ever get your way.

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Old Pike / 6/18/13 Old Pike Gold

« Last post by fenton on June 18, 2013, 09:08:34 AM »

6 Tee time for Old Pike Gold, if Mike moves 4 long

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General Banter / Re: flip flops at Swope

« Last post by kcfrisbee on June 18, 2013, 09:07:12 AM »

I saw a brown pair late night when we were cleaning up, check the clubhouse Tankers.