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Title: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on October 26, 2012, 02:54:45 PM
I would like to have a local artist come up with a unique logo for the event, submit your logo to me via a PM.  I will pay for the one chosen.....

More information to come, but initially I am going to be the TD for NT side and Rick may do the Am Side of the event.  The NT side will include all PRO divisions this year (not have a separate "A" Tier for Masters et al) and will probably include only 4 rounds of golf this year for them.  Looking at "Big" Blue Valley Day 1, WW & Cliff Day 2, and Swope Gold Day 3 initially for these divisions.  More information to follow but I thought with the elections and the meeting tomorrow night, if you have any ideas questions, or ways to make the event better than this past year, please be prepared to bring them forward.

It takes our entire community to make this event work, and we need your help.  Just because my name is listed as the TD, it doesn't mean that I can do it all.  I want/need your input, and would love to have it.

Please let me know how you can help make this the best NT in 2013.

Thanks,

Jack
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Ken Franks on October 26, 2012, 06:01:40 PM

Please let me know how you can help make this the best NT in 2013.


 Take out Big Blue...
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: andyportwood on October 26, 2012, 06:36:14 PM
Is the same format for final nine from this year still in consideration? Because that was the coolest thing to watch!  ;D
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on October 26, 2012, 07:51:06 PM
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Take out Big Blue...

Why Tankers? That course is downright sickness. I dont want to see Will shoot another 43 at little blue..
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Peter Bures on October 26, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
Is the same format for final nine from this year still in consideration? Because that was the coolest thing to watch!  ;D

This is literally the only thing I care about. I wonder how the pros feel about Final 9s (especially since holes were used that were different than the normal Swope Gold).

But it was by far the highlight of my weekend.
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: robm on October 27, 2012, 09:58:30 AM

But it was by far the highlight of my weekend.

YES
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on October 30, 2012, 03:50:04 PM
Artists....any artists....not just painters that don't want Big Blue, but artists with a logo?

 ;D
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: coops on October 30, 2012, 04:05:48 PM
Have you reached out to Hemme?
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on October 30, 2012, 04:12:41 PM
PM sent to him....
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: coops on October 30, 2012, 05:36:34 PM
I would try the old facebook too, don't know if he is too active watching the KCFDC forums anymore (and might not have the right email notifications... if that is possible).
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on October 30, 2012, 05:40:49 PM
I sent to his personal addy, thanks for the thought on both though!
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Ken Franks on October 31, 2012, 07:20:45 PM
Artists....any artists....not just painters that don't want Big Blue, but artists with a logo?

 ;D

 HIGH-larious!!!
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on November 26, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
NO art work.  TO show you, I am taking off a course.

Cliff Drive is no longer going to be used in the Wide Open.

So give me some art work, or I shall remove another course in the future as well.
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: mpetrin on November 26, 2012, 05:50:07 PM
NO art work.  TO show you, I am taking off a course.

Cliff Drive is no longer going to be used in the Wide Open.

So give me some art work, or I shall remove another course in the future as well.
I will have a rough-draft of something for you at the meeting
Title: Re: 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on January 02, 2013, 01:35:36 PM
Time to get WOXXXI in the KC!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on January 16, 2013, 08:53:13 AM
We have the first ever title sponsor for the Kansas City Wide Open.  Grip Equipment Presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open is underway.

We are still in need of a solid logo-January 30th is the deadline for scalable and digital logos for submission for the KCWO logo, please be working with me quickly to get this to me accordingly.

We are beginning to look for staff and sponsors to add to the event.

We will be posting registration information by the end of the month.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on January 28, 2013, 10:12:59 AM
I will be working on the Wide Open information coming out soon.  So if you want to be a part of the staff for the event, and are wondering whom to contact, please reach out to me accordingly with a PM or a phone call.  You know that thing that you type messages into called your twitter box, it too may be used to input numbers in a fashion that will enable you to use it for communication of your vocal chords and sound waves received via your ear.  Think old walkie talkies, they are called phones!

:-)

Let's work on the next rendition of the Wide Open!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: robm on February 05, 2013, 03:12:57 PM
(Little scared to post this, please don't bust my balls Jack.)

I thought this was a kinda kool idea.

Fundraiser bag tags...

http://www.gottagogottathrow.com/discgolf/minnesota-majestic-p-587.html (http://www.gottagogottathrow.com/discgolf/minnesota-majestic-p-587.html)


(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/521891_444388225632271_12845702_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: The Bird Father on February 05, 2013, 03:27:49 PM
I played the Majestic last year and very few people bought these.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jamidanger on February 22, 2013, 10:03:55 AM
no duh, bag tags gotta be cool and sexy if you're gonna buy one from out of town. kcwo could use a really derrty bird tag - yeah i'm talkin t n a, skulls and hemp<all numbered foretwenty> - the sheetdatsells. more of a souvenir than a numbered tag.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: fenton on February 26, 2013, 08:53:34 PM
http://www.kcwideopen.com (http://www.kcwideopen.com)

Online registration open. Let me or Utz know if you have any problems. We will also let you know once the full site is up and running.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: ian on March 01, 2013, 11:06:53 AM
Please oh please run some CFR Glow ROC3's for this tournament!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: tallguy007kc on March 11, 2013, 07:34:03 PM
I just got signed up, but, had to find the link to get that way by coming here to the forum.  The link on the http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/99312 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/99312) site to get signed up only takes you to the www.kcfdc.org (http://www.kcfdc.org) site, and not to the www.kcwideopen.com (http://www.kcwideopen.com) site.  Just an FYI/heads up for ya'...giggity  8)

Just wasn't sure if that was intended or not.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on March 12, 2013, 04:12:15 PM
http://kcwideopen.com/_media/2013_wide_open_sponsorship_form.pdf (http://kcwideopen.com/_media/2013_wide_open_sponsorship_form.pdf)

Sponsorship for the event.  TallGuy, thanks!I meant to say Too Tall!

Giggity!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on March 12, 2013, 04:13:18 PM
Thanks Tall Guy, we're gettin all that aligned so it points you to the right place. Thanks for signing up early!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: TPalmer on March 12, 2013, 05:26:16 PM
Last week, Masters was $115.00.  Now it's changed to $120.00.  Online fees?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: eeastwood on March 12, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
Rounding
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: cro on March 12, 2013, 07:02:49 PM
Just signed up today
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on March 13, 2013, 07:43:25 AM
Last week, Masters was $115.00.  Now it's changed to $120.00.  Online fees?

Next week is $125, better sign up now......
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Jake B on March 13, 2013, 08:04:27 AM
Last week, Masters was $115.00.  Now it's changed to $120.00.  Online fees?

Next week is $125, better sign up now......

Will Open increase as well?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: TPalmer on March 13, 2013, 08:29:30 AM
I hope Jack was kidding.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on March 13, 2013, 09:18:40 AM
Prices are set. We had an issue with online fees, but that's now sorted out. Sorry for the interruption, and good on you for paying attention
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on March 13, 2013, 09:47:49 AM
I hope Jack was kidding.
$130 for Palmer now, please notate if he tries to join this event......
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on March 13, 2013, 09:49:18 AM
Last week, Masters was $115.00.  Now it's changed to $120.00.  Online fees?

Next week is $125, better sign up now......

Will Open increase as well?

Please charge Jake $300, but he gets a tee sign with his entry.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on March 13, 2013, 09:49:54 AM
 ;)
 ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: TPalmer on March 13, 2013, 10:45:46 AM
Jack:  I'm only playing if the 13x World Champ shows up.  LOL
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Jake B on March 13, 2013, 11:08:31 AM
Last week, Masters was $115.00.  Now it's changed to $120.00.  Online fees?

Next week is $125, better sign up now......

Will Open increase as well?

Please charge Jake $300, but he gets a tee sign with his entry.  Thanks!

I'm seriously trying to find a business to do this. I'd like to be able to sell 4 tee signs! Are the donations tax deductable?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on March 13, 2013, 11:25:14 AM
At this time they are not tax deductible from a donation standpoint, but they are from an advertising standpoint on businesses.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: MileNorthKCMO on March 14, 2013, 11:45:52 AM
If Tee sponsors are still available we would love to sponsor one.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on March 16, 2013, 09:59:30 AM
Mile North, PM sent!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: gleauzzzinier on March 18, 2013, 08:54:51 PM
so it looks like nt and a tier again? please consider scheduling the age rejected pro divisions with the younger pros. last year was ridiculous waiting no less than 5 minutes on EVERY hole, more than 30 on some. it got so bad we started carrying full size lawn chairs at swope on saturday.
refresh my memory, how many other nt events shuffled the old folks off to the next lower tier?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jamidanger on March 18, 2013, 09:12:11 PM
memory refresher : you were behind cd's group
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: BenC on March 19, 2013, 08:36:56 AM
so it looks like nt and a tier again? please consider scheduling the age rejected pro divisions with the younger pros. last year was ridiculous waiting no less than 5 minutes on EVERY hole, more than 30 on some. it got so bad we started carrying full size lawn chairs at swope on saturday.
refresh my memory, how many other nt events shuffled the old folks off to the next lower tier?


Actually I believe it will be NT, A & B again.  You are right we should be Lemmings and just follow the lead of everyone else.  Or you could check out the history of the Wide Open on the front page of the web site and realize that this might just be another innovation started in KC and soon everyone will be following us again
Did you talk to the official on the course about the pace of play at the time or are you just complaining because the tournament didn't cater to YOU? 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: gleauzzzinier on March 19, 2013, 12:06:46 PM
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Actually I believe it will be NT, A & B again.  You are right we should be Lemmings and just follow the lead of everyone else.  Or you could check out the history of the Wide Open on the front page of the web site and realize that this might just be another innovation started in KC and soon everyone will be following us again
Did you talk to the official on the course about the pace of play at the time or are you just complaining because the tournament didn't cater to YOU?
been here since the first wde open and then some.
the course officials were as aware of it as the players.  I don't expect anybody to carer to ME; rarely cater to myself. while we're patiently waiting for the rest of the disc golf world to catch up   I'll continue to pack the lawn chair and some extra depends.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on March 19, 2013, 12:08:27 PM
NT-

A-Tier-

C-Tier-

It's up to Jack to finalize the pools/scheduling. I doubt you'll see Age Protected Pro playing with Pro Open. I'm sure Pro Open will fill..
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: gleauzzzinier on March 19, 2013, 12:45:09 PM
allow me to rephrase: being fully aware and appreciative that we don't all play at the same speed, rules notwithstanding, please consider scheduling the age rejected pro divisions with those of comparable  playing tempos.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Peter Bures on March 19, 2013, 01:22:59 PM
allow me to rephrase: being fully aware and appreciative that we don't all play at the same speed, rules notwithstanding, please consider scheduling the age rejected pro divisions with those of comparable  playing tempos.

What other division has a similar pace of play?

Not trying to be rude, I'm just curious who you had in mind that would be a more comfortable match.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: gleauzzzinier on March 19, 2013, 01:51:54 PM
ummm... pros?
neither is rudeness my intent. last year 72 played nt, 37 masters plus played a tier. hopefully this year will be different. I've been playing disc golf awhile, never had waits like last year.
just asking why it's set up this way, haven't really gotten an answer. only have 20 years of golf left in me, guess I'll play open until the rest of the tour sees the light and starts doing things the kcwo way.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Peter Bures on March 19, 2013, 03:51:08 PM
ummm... pros?
neither is rudeness my intent. last year 72 played nt, 37 masters plus played nt. hopefully this year will be different. I've been playing disc golf awhile, never had waits like last year.
just asking why it's set up this way, haven't really gotten an answer. only have 20 years of golf left in me, guess I'll play open until the rest of the tour sees the light and starts doing things the kcwo way.

My thought would be that the Open Divisions (Men and Women) have enough registered such that there isn't room on the course for the Age-Protected Pro Divisions as well. But I'm not sure, that's just guessing on my part.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on March 19, 2013, 04:06:10 PM
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My thought would be that the Open Divisions (Men and Women) have enough registered such that there isn't room on the course for the Age-Protected Pro Divisions as well. But I'm not sure, that's just guessing on my part.

That's correct.

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Technically, there were three KCWO tournaments last year; The NT, A tier (restricted Pro divisions and advanced) and B tier (all other Am divisions)

Right-o, there will be 3 KCWO's this year too...
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dan howard on March 19, 2013, 05:27:06 PM
The Memorial had over 200, the Tx Natl's had 116, it obviously can be done but KCWO has chosen an alternate method.  This discussion has piqued my curiosity, why is there three tournaments instead of two.  Transparency is best, when I'm left to wonder about these things I always come up with sinister plots involving the PDGA and $$$$$.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on March 19, 2013, 10:33:33 PM
Dan,

I'm sure there's some other folks in here that can answer that better. All I'm looking at are other NT's..

http://www.pdga.com/national-tour (http://www.pdga.com/national-tour)

The Vibram Open is the only other NT that offers only Pro Open and Pro Women (In just 1 tournament --- They have another tournament for AMs). I'm guessing it has to do with payout and field size? Entices amateurs to play a C-tier if they cant make the whole weekend of events? Scheduling may be easier?

We seem to always have a big Masters and above field..and we offer Int and Juniors....  good questions, Jack where are you?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: thankyoupeter on March 19, 2013, 10:34:38 PM

It's seems to be a trend to play as slow a round as possible in tournaments.  Pick up the pace folks.  It has far less to do with pre-throw routine than it does with so many people walking the course like they are helping their 105 year old grandma around.  This isn't casual rounds people.  Slow play, which includes moving from shot to shot and green to tee, is a violation of the rules.  Refer to the competition manual, which you got in your PDGA packet.:


I completely agree Tracy.  I like to play a round in 70-90 minutes, so playing a tournament round that's 3+ hours (and sometimes 4+ hours) can be absolutely brutal.  While I understand there's going to be slower play in tournaments, especially  in full tournaments with a variety of skill levels, the duration of many rounds seems to border on the extreme. 

Given that it only takes one slow group to hold up several behind them, I would love to see tournament officials discuss speed of play in the players meeting.  Let everyone know that if a group comes up on a hole 15 minutes behind the group in front of them, and an official is present, they'll be receiving a warning.  If they don't speed it up, stroke em!  Addressing this proactively before rounds would help set the tone, since I would imagine warnings and strokes for pace of play are very rare.  Additionally, I believe quicker rounds would add to the overall enjoyment of an event like the KCWO, as it would allow more time at the end of the day to enjoy various other KCWO activities, instead of just wanting to go home after 7 hours of competition over two rounds. 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: robm on March 20, 2013, 08:04:09 AM
While I despise long rounds like anyone else, expecting 18 holes in less than 2 hours during a tournament is not realistic.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Loomis on March 20, 2013, 03:10:23 PM
I always just assume that a competitive round is going to take an average of three hours. The exceptions being longer courses which can take longer; and shorter courses - or tournaments with small turn outs - which can make the round shorter. But on average, I think 3 hours is about average in my experience. Unless CD is on the card... Then all bets are off. LOL
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: ekolk on March 20, 2013, 04:11:46 PM
I always just assume that a competitive round is going to take an average of three hours. The exceptions being longer courses which can take longer; and shorter courses - or tournaments with small turn outs - which can make the round shorter. But on average, I think 3 hours is about average in my experience. Unless CD is on the card... Then all bets are off. LOL

Or Stiles for that matter, and he started this damn off topic thread.  ;)

There will not be as many rounds this year, so as long as we keep it moving on the course, all should be good and kosher. Swope Gold is very long course and very challenging. It is no BV, but it is way tougher than WW and Rose, so I guess it takes longer to play. I also like to promote fitness and stamina, but I get it. Play faster and we won't be as tired or out of rhythm on the course.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: gleauzzzinier on March 20, 2013, 07:33:01 PM
then I'll ask again without trying to be pc: why are age rejected pros not part of the kcwo nt?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on March 20, 2013, 07:49:36 PM
Stiles: You're going to have to get the answer from Jack-a-Lowe. After all he is the TD.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dickthediscparker on March 20, 2013, 08:20:42 PM
The nature of the NT is to showcase the top Men and Women in our sport. So Masters isn't apart of that equation. Is this that big of a deal? You now have less money going toward the PDGA and more going toward your field.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Loomis on March 20, 2013, 08:47:21 PM
The Masters Cup is an NT. That's all Masters players.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dickthediscparker on March 20, 2013, 08:48:29 PM
This Masters Cup?

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/99309 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/99309)

Weird. I see some young guys signed up.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: gleauzzzinier on March 20, 2013, 09:15:05 PM
The nature of the NT is to showcase the top Men and Women in our sport. So Masters isn't apart of that equation. Is this that big of a deal? You now have less money going toward the PDGA and more going toward your field.
if it was about the money this old dog wouldn't still be chasing plastic. same goes for a lot of mpm and mpg players I'm guessing.
apparently no one else cares so it must not be even a miniscule deal. just asking why. if you don't have the answer feel free not to be offended or post.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dickthediscparker on March 20, 2013, 09:23:57 PM
The nature of the NT is to showcase the top Men and Women in our sport. So Masters isn't apart of that equation. Is this that big of a deal? You now have less money going toward the PDGA and more going toward your field.
if it was about the money this old dog wouldn't still be chasing plastic. same goes for a lot of mpm and mpg players I'm guessing.
appardently no one else cares so it must not be even a miniscule deal. just asking why. if you don't have the answer feel free not to be offended or post.

I just told you the answer. I'm not offended.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: gleauzzzinier on March 20, 2013, 10:16:16 PM
ok I get it. kcwo and vibram are the showcase events. and thanks for the clarification about top players. hope hemme, convers, arthur, arturo, et al get a clue soon.
you want something to grow be careful how much you prune it back
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Loomis on March 21, 2013, 07:41:05 AM
The "NT" stands for Never Trite.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on March 21, 2013, 12:27:39 PM
Stiles,

The NT is to showcase the Pro Men and Women, as such the NT side of the event is only open to competitors playing in the MPO and FPO divisions.

All other divisions are in the A-Tier from the professional and advanced pools wich will be switching locations. 

The NT side will be limited to 72 and the other fields as well unless there is enough demand.

It has been this way for some time in KC and many other NT's.  As for the Master's Cup event being an NT the pro side is and the Am side is a different weekend.  Only one course is used for the event, all tee times.....

The reasoning for this to keep the pools along these lines is because it keeps the pools playing the same field during the same conditions.  So you would want to eliminate the women and put in age protected pro's instead?  Not a way to showcase the top players. 

Speed of play is an issue and as a TD I have more than once informed groups that they need to speed up accordingly (CD can attest to this during Worlds at BV I did so, and he proceeded to miss the putt, I felt bad.....but it was a long back up).  You cannot have the desire to play like an open player yet not play in the open field.  You have a decision to make, and the decision lies within yourself to make that call.  Just as last year with Phil Arthur not getting the USDGC spot because the "A" tier isn't a qualifier, only the NT is.  These are decisions that you as a player can only make.

The logic is that we want to keep the divisions as closely aligned as we can, so the MPM and MM1 (pro and advanced Masters) will be playing the same courses, where the MA1 (Adv Men) will probably be playing their own field based on size.

The 3 pools will be this way to help keep the grouping alike, if you don't like the speed of play with your peers, let them know.....

As for the C-Tier, the third one day event is for Non-PDGA members the chance to play on courses used for the Wide Open and not being "forced" to join the PDGA, but pay the daily fee.  It is really for Intermediate/Jr/Rec players.....  This should enable locals or guests traveling a chance to play here in KC and enjoy the event albeit for one day, and still participate accordingly.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: gleauzzzinier on March 21, 2013, 01:15:54 PM
got it. thanks. that clears it all up. let the showcasing begin!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jamidanger on March 21, 2013, 01:22:09 PM
......the show's about to start - stiles in a showcase, didn't ELP warn us when they sang :"behind this pane of glass is a real pain-in-the-ass, be careful as you pass - move along move along"
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: andyportwood on March 21, 2013, 01:49:51 PM
......the show's about to start - stiles in a showcase, didn't ELP warn us when they sang :"behind this pane of glass is a real pain-in-the-ass, be careful as you pass - move along move along"

I almost named my son Emerson Lake Portwood but my wife wouldn't go for it...  ???
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: kselrod on March 25, 2013, 03:11:15 PM
Jack,

Any ideas on when and what divisions will play what courses yet?  Just trying to decide if I want to pay the extra cash to play Adv Masters or take it easy and play Int and spend my extra time just hanging out watching the Open divisions.

Kevin
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on March 25, 2013, 03:45:19 PM
All Division will play the same courses:
Blue Valley-long
Swope Gold 2013
Rosedale
Water Works

The INT will only play WW and Rosedale on Saturday.  The order and format are not complete yet, but all divisions in the NT and A tier will be playing these courses.

Hope that this helps.

Thanks,

Jack
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Ken Franks on March 25, 2013, 09:48:49 PM
All Division will play the same courses:
Blue Valley-long
Swope Gold 2013
Rosedale
Water Works

The INT will only play WW and Rosedale on Saturday.  The order and format are not complete yet, but all divisions in the NT and A tier will be playing these courses.

Hope that this helps.

Thanks,

Jack

 Sure does!!!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on March 27, 2013, 03:19:28 PM
Disc Golf Rate  $72.00

Ramada Kansas City Hotel & Conference Center
1601 N. Universal Avenue
Kansas City, MO  64120
816.245.5500
www.ramada.com (http://www.ramada.com)

Host hotel information, please direct people to this, we really want to use the hotel well this year!  The price is about as discounted as I could get.  Rosie is the furthest away, as it is about 20 min, all the rest are less than 15 to the courses.
 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: JohnnyD on April 04, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
"As for the C-Tier, the third one day event is for Non-PDGA members the chance to play on courses used for the Wide Open and not being "forced" to join the PDGA, but pay the daily fee.  It is really for Intermediate/Jr/Rec players.....  This should enable locals or guests traveling a chance to play here in KC and enjoy the event albeit for one day, and still participate accordingly."


I would like to voice the opinion of myself and some of the newer players. To clarify, novice, rec, and intermediate will only be playing two rounds/one day this year? If so thats kind of a bummer. Im a newer player and have only played four tournies. My first being the wide open last year. In retrospect the allure and the fond memories are from experiencing the 'big tournement feel'. This being the events leading up and during rounds, the amount of people, pros present, AND most importantly the chance to play a tourny in excess of two rounds/one day. Two rounds/one day drastically takes away from the appeal and unique format that comprise a big tourny. How would the pros/advanced etc players feel if the kcwo was suddenly changed to a two round/one day event?
Is this really being done due to speed of play? I played novice last year and honestly dont recall anyone waiting on us to finish holes to tee off. If i remember correctly novice, rec and intermediate were grouped together and played separate courses on separate days/times than everyone else.....
I was really looking forward to playing in the wide open this year untill i saw some of the posts regarding the revised format. Its been condensed into a 'regular' tournament for us newer/less skilled players to accomidate the better players and perhaps make arranging a tournament easier..... I personally dont have the resources to travel hours to play in another big event to replicate the feeling of a big tourny.
correct me if im wrong but we try to introduce as many people to our sport and give them incentive to stay with the sport to watch it grow. this change in format only makes us/them feel slighted.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on April 04, 2013, 03:46:41 PM
Conversely, I heard plenty of chatter whilst playing the 2012 KCWO C-tier, that the 2 day, 3 round schedule was too much. Its hard to please everyone.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: sportwood on April 04, 2013, 03:52:46 PM
I agree that one day makes everyone in the C tier feel pushed aside and it stops feeling like anything special.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on April 04, 2013, 04:03:37 PM
Looks like it's time to step up to Advanced y'all  8)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: JohnnyD on April 04, 2013, 05:03:11 PM
advanced? So we CAN slow down play? Plus its not very enjoyable getting your &%$ handed to you and finishing at the very bottom of the leader board.  Of course it would pad their pockets as well.

"I agree that one day makes everyone in the C tier feel pushed aside and it stops feeling like anything special"
My sediments exactly Chris. other rec players ive talked to echo our opinion. thank you.

I dont recall hearing anyone complain about 2days/3 rounds being too much. If anything its the contrary. Plus, if thats the case they can register to any of the myriad of other tournaments offered all throughout the year. We, just like you, enjoy and eagerly anticipate the opportunity to play in a special, unique, big tourney that strays from the norm.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: spnachio on April 04, 2013, 05:25:53 PM
It is what it is. Props, Johnny, for making a Loomis/Jack length post. I agree with move up "hell no". But, even though we did get curbed we can watch some of the best in the game throw on sunday with a curbside view. I think the reason most don't move up in biggy tourneys is the fact that many regular open players play down in adv. I am also not a fan of playing on friday. I'm a weekend tourney playa. I will play in this and will have an awesome time watching the real pros bludgen our courses. $57 for a c-tier seems a bit high but I'm sure that playa pack will be fat. My hope is that we could have a pick of a KCWO stamped disc of something we throw instead of a dyemax buzz or roc or aviar. And probably I will get spanked in int and will not move down and play rec. I will also enjoy a few pops on sunday with all. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 04, 2013, 06:22:45 PM
C-Tier Justification from the TD.
It is what it is.  The reality of the event is that the C-Tier gives people a chance to play in the Wide Open and enjoy the courses that the Pro's play on and then watch the top players in the world on our courses.  If you are playing in the C-Tier you get that chance.  You also don't have to pay the mandated PDGA fee.  Reality check is this, there used to not be Int./Rec divisions, they are relatively new, so you had to play ADV if you wanted to play.  This is why we used to have 2 pools of Adv Men in some of the previous years of the Wide Open.

Now we don't, and honestly it is a volunteer staffing issue, and players enjoyment level. If you want to play in the "Wide Open" A-Tier you may, it is a choice you have to make.  As for most of the Rec/Int players watching the pro's that come to town really once a year should be more fun than playing an additional round.

The bottom line, we want you to enjoy the event, have a chance to play the courses that the pro's are playing on, and watch some great golf.  You can do this now, and it is an option that wasn't available before.

We really need more volunteers than you can imagine, so if you are that upset, come help out we need the support.

Basically we need over 120 volunteer shifts covered, on top of 15 dedicated staff.....

Thursday Check in @ Blue Valley-ideally 4-6 people CheckIn from 11-5 @ Course and after meeting at hotel-need to have another 2 people at hotel to handle this.
Blue Valley-
1 Course Director, 2 asst CD’s-spotters/movers on the following holes: 1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 14, 18 Days Friday all day, and Saturday 1 round, water jugs(11) needed on every other hole=10 people needed at Blue Valley
Fri 7:45AM-1PM=7 Volunteers Needed
Fri 12:45PM-6PM=7 Volunteers Needed
Sat 10:45AM-4PM=7 Volunteers Needed
Rosedale
1 Course Director, 2 asst CD’s-Spotters/movers on the following holes: 1, 2, (protect #3 as well), 4, 8, 9, 10, 14, 16, Days Friday afternoon round, Saturday all day, Sunday morning.  Water jugs(8) every 3 holes=9 people needed at Rosedale
Fri 1:45PM-6PM=6 Volunteers needed
Sat 7:45AM-12:30 PM=6 Volunteers needed
Sat 1:45PM-6PM=6 Volunteers needed
Sun 7:45AM-12PM=6 Volunteers needed
WaterWorks-
1 Course Director,  2 asst CD’s-Spotters/movers on the following holes: 3, 4, 5, 6, 14, Days Friday Morning, Saturday all day, and Sunday morning, water jugs(8) needed at 3, 5 2@7, 2@15 =8 people needed at WaterWorks
Fri 8:45AM-12:30 PM=5 Volunteers needed
Sat 7:45AM-12:30PM=5 Volunteers needed
Sat 1:45PM-6PM=5 Volunteers needed
Sun 7:45AM-12PM=5 Volunteers needed
Swope Gold 2013-TD 2 asst TD’s-Spotters/Movers on the following holes: 4-5(2), next long one(2), 11 long placement,  13(2) long placement, 14 long placement, Days Saturday all day, Sunday all Day, Water Jugs(13) every other hole (4@ Shelter)=11 people needed, and all hands on deck for the final 9
Fri-Zero needed
Sat 7:45AM-1PM=8 Volunteers needed
Sat 12:45AM-6PM=8 Volunteers needed
Sun 9:15AM-1PM=8 Volunteers needed
Sun 1:45-3:30PM=9 Volunteers needed

Games for BBQ on Saturday
Speed Putting, and KC Hold’Em we need to have people volunteer to keep time for an hour at a time from 5-9 ideally 2/hour=16 volunteers
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on April 05, 2013, 10:24:51 AM
I only recall this being the host hotel once before. But I seem to remember it being really well suited to the event. Nice rooms and a nice restaurant/bar along with plenty of space to set up stuff. Pretty easy access right off I-435 and Front Street too.

Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 05, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
I only recall this being the host hotel once before. But I seem to remember it being really well suited to the event. Nice rooms and a nice restaurant/bar along with plenty of space to set up stuff. Pretty easy access right off I-435 and Front Street too.

I failed to realize it was at the top of the page.  I agree with your sentiment though it is ideal, I will also be setting up either a 9 hole mini course, or an actual 9 hole course around the venue.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jteater on April 05, 2013, 01:15:10 PM
Maybe on the mini course you can make it where the rec players only play 4 or 5 holes. We wouldn't want them getting tired or slowing down play.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 05, 2013, 01:33:07 PM
Maybe on the mini course you can make it where the rec players only play 4 or 5 holes. We wouldn't want them getting tired or slowing down play.
Sarcasm noted....
 ;) ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jteater on April 05, 2013, 01:38:54 PM
Thank you, I hate it when my sarcasm goes unnoticed.  :)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 05, 2013, 01:44:35 PM
Thank you, I hate it when my sarcasm goes unnoticed.  :)
No problem.  The issue though would be should we go based on length of courses that the C-Tier is playing instead?  Then we could stop short at the appropriate level!  8)
I hope to make it down there over the next week to look at the design, but there are some nice water shots that I am thinking about for the course on the campus. 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Bill the TD on April 05, 2013, 03:41:39 PM
On what courses are the int/rec players playing for the Wide Open?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: spnachio on April 05, 2013, 06:11:37 PM
WW and Rosie
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: coops on April 17, 2013, 08:29:25 AM
I don't know how the list on PDGA gets updated but it has Nate Doss named Nathan Roberts.

Just thought I should let someone know.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: coops on April 17, 2013, 08:32:55 AM
In other news, these tournaments are getting 'spensive!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: CRAMNATION7 on April 17, 2013, 09:03:23 AM
couple questions.

is advanced all 3 days?
how much for advanved?
is it all 4 courses?

I skimmed through this and looked at the sign up page and didnt see this info. i think we should make it easier for people to find it.

thanks,
Jay Cram
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 17, 2013, 09:10:48 AM
Clicking the button for the division on the registration page gives you all the information in the box.  Yes to playing all four courses, and I believe with the online fees it is $88 for Adv......
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dickthediscparker on April 17, 2013, 09:19:39 AM
couple questions.

is advanced all 3 days?
how much for advanved?
is it all 4 courses?

I skimmed through this and looked at the sign up page and didnt see this info. i think we should make it easier for people to find it.

thanks,
Jay Cram

Yes.
88 with online fees.
Yes.

Clicking the button for the division on the registration page gives you all the information in the box.  Yes to playing all four courses, and I believe with the online fees it is $88 for Adv......

It gives you a price but does not answer the other questions Jay just asked you.

Jay, when we roll out the kcwideopen full page those questions will/should be answered for all who look. Currently it is only the registration/sponsorship page.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 17, 2013, 09:27:29 AM
My bad.....I think that it should be up with all it's glory within the next few days....
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Loomis on April 17, 2013, 11:54:44 AM
All four courses? Man this is messing with me.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 18, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
Help needed-
If you are out playing on WW, Swope, BV, or Rosie, and you notice something not right about the basket, can you make a note and let me know?

I am talking about ring missing around the number plate, chains missing, the bottom chain holder missing, basket looks bent....

Please let me know what hole # it is and the missing/broken/needs replaced part.

If you are really observant, I am also wanting to know which flag stanchions are in need of repair at these courses.

Thanks,

Jack
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jhinck2 on April 18, 2013, 11:24:21 AM
Hole 4 at BV is still missing an entire chain.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 18, 2013, 01:17:39 PM
Ok, I can fix that from the broken basket at my house for certain.  Thanks Jordan.  I am pretty sure we fixed #5 last year out there, but I will make a trek out there to check everything out.  I appreciate it, please keep things like this coming!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: KCDiscDawg on April 18, 2013, 02:51:50 PM
#6 at WW is missing the lower ring that connects the inner chains at the bottom...
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 18, 2013, 03:03:23 PM
#6 at WW is missing the lower ring that connects the inner chains at the bottom...

URGH!  I thought that was fixed, but you know I was thinking that as well.  I think that has been that way awhile now.  Something has to be done on that one, because it is constantly missing it seems like.....

Thank you though, this is the information that I am looking for.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 24, 2013, 09:57:34 AM


We should be having the following type of workdays:

Course clean up's-Now, up to one month out

Trash removal

Tree/downed branches removed

Trim trees

Items addressed that need repair on the course:

Baskets, fence, erosion, etc......

MARQUEES UPDATED WITH NEEDED HELP INFO

COURSE CLOSURE INFORMATION NEEDED



2wks-one month out:

Trash again

Weed eat around areas/brushes

OB areas identified, and notated to know what we will need to mark accordingly

Tree trim areas

Basket checks, tee pad areas checked

MARQUEE WITH HELP NEEDED COME WATCH INFO

COURSE CLOSURE INFORMATION NEEDED



1 week out:

Mulch trails, around the baskets

OB's sprayed/marked

Trash removal

MARQUEE INFO-SCHEDULE of EVENTS

COURSE CLOSURE INFORMATION
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 25, 2013, 11:01:52 AM
http://kcwideopen.com/volunteers.html (http://kcwideopen.com/volunteers.html)

What we need....


How you can help.....
http://kcfdc.org/kcwo-volunteers-needed/ (http://kcfdc.org/kcwo-volunteers-needed/)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: robm on April 25, 2013, 03:13:25 PM
http://kcwideopen.com/volunteers.html (http://kcwideopen.com/volunteers.html)

What we need....


How you can help.....
http://kcfdc.org/kcwo-volunteers-needed/ (http://kcfdc.org/kcwo-volunteers-needed/)

I think the website looks pretty decent
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: tmattoon on April 25, 2013, 03:28:42 PM
So advanced isn't playing Swope anymore?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: eeastwood on April 25, 2013, 03:29:37 PM
Is the B Pool - All Age Based Divisions and Advanced Women (A-Tier) playing only 3 rounds?  It looks like it's missing the Swope gold which I guess would be Saturday afternoon round right?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: tmattoon on April 25, 2013, 03:30:35 PM
I messed up. Advanced men are c pool. They play 4 rounds. I only read advanced sorry.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dickthediscparker on April 25, 2013, 03:53:57 PM
Is the B Pool - All Age Based Divisions and Advanced Women (A-Tier) playing only 3 rounds?  It looks like it's missing the Swope gold which I guess would be Saturday afternoon round right?

No and Yes. You will play 4 rounds in the B-Pool including Swope Gold. There is just an error on the site that needs to get fixed. Swope Gold is Saturday afternoon and Rosedale is your 4th Round on Sunday.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 25, 2013, 03:57:08 PM
Is the B Pool - All Age Based Divisions and Advanced Women (A-Tier) playing only 3 rounds?  It looks like it's missing the Swope gold which I guess would be Saturday afternoon round right?

No. You will play 4 rounds in the B-Pool including Swope Gold. There is just an error on the site that needs to get fixed. Swope Gold is Saturday afternoon and Rosedale is your 4th Round on Sunday.

What Dick meant was YES, you will play Swope Gold on Saturday afternoon in pool B! :-)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 25, 2013, 04:38:26 PM
I think that it is corrected.  Thanks so much for noticing the error!  ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: coops on April 30, 2013, 09:46:35 AM
Double checking: Cap for the NT is 90? Just trying to see when I need to sign up by.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on April 30, 2013, 09:52:54 AM
72 as of right now....if need be there are plans in place that would alter it if we get a lot of interest....but at this point 72.  THat means 60 MPO and 12 FPO in my mind.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Utz on April 30, 2013, 10:15:52 AM
26 currently registered for the NT. 7 of those are FPO.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on May 14, 2013, 03:23:19 PM
Champ Glow Roc Fund Raisers for the Wide Open have made their way to Disc Golf World.  I would appreciate everyone in here buying at least 2!   ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dickthediscparker on May 14, 2013, 04:10:54 PM
Please support the 31st Annual Kansas City Wide Open Presented by Grip EQ by purchasing one or more of these beautiful Champion Glow Roc3s. Your sponsorship will be acknowledged both in the Tournament Program and at kcwideopen.com (http://kcwideopen.com). Only limited number of these beauties will be minted with this stamp, so claim yours today.

Available NOW at Disc Golf World!
Click here to purchase your Champion Glow Roc3 (http://www.discgolfworld.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=49&flypage=tpflypage.tpl&product_id=1706&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=64&vmcchk=1&Itemid=64)

There are 11 different stamp colors to choose from. So pick the one you want, or collect all 11!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: otter on May 14, 2013, 10:56:50 PM
Champ Glow Roc Fund Raisers for the Wide Open have made their way to Disc Golf World.  I would appreciate everyone in here buying at least 2!   ;D

Are they Ranchos?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dickthediscparker on May 15, 2013, 07:17:32 AM
Champion Glow Roc3.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: ajinks on May 15, 2013, 08:32:32 AM
Dick, will you bring two max weight glow roc3's to Smithville this Saturday so I can consider purchasing them?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dickthediscparker on May 15, 2013, 09:19:14 AM
I will probably bring a box of them everywhere I go for the next month... Sooo yes.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: fmags87 on May 15, 2013, 09:54:22 PM
I am looking for someone to sponsor me in the c tier of the kcwo just don't have the money at this particular moment but I will give them in return
A: player pack
B: half winnings
C: or pay such person back
 if anyone is interested please message me or you can call our text me at 8168208597
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jack on May 16, 2013, 09:04:05 AM
Does anyone know how to sign?

I am looking for someone to sign at The Grip during the players meeting on Thursday and the awards on Sunday.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: tallguy007kc on May 17, 2013, 10:48:51 AM
This is more out of curiosity than anything at this point, but, looking at the sign-ups, they seem a bit "lacking" in the Open, and Masters side of things this year.  I know there's still a month to go, but, I remember a lot more folks being signed up by this point last year.  Just seems weird that there's a possibility of me being able to say "Hey, I placed in the Top 10 this year in Masters!"....lol  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: Jake B on May 17, 2013, 11:45:30 AM
Does anyone know how to sign?

I am looking for someone to sign at The Grip during the players meeting on Thursday and the awards on Sunday.

Would they be compensated?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: coops on May 17, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
I happen to know a few people who can sign.

Send me some more info (time, compensation, etc...) and I can approach them about it.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 17, 2013, 01:28:22 PM
I would like to have them there for the players meeting on Thursday at the host hotel from 6:30-9, and then the awards on Sunday at Swope from 3-5 to be safe.

I would be willing to pay a service fee accordingly for this yes.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 17, 2013, 01:59:25 PM
Buy a disc, get some tee signs, lets go already!

http://kcwideopen.com/_media/2013_wide_open_sponsorship_form.pdf (http://kcwideopen.com/_media/2013_wide_open_sponsorship_form.pdf)


Bring in some money and do some work on the courses!

:-)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: hberciunas on May 20, 2013, 04:16:27 PM
Jack, I know it's early, any ETA for lay out at Swope Gold? (planning next couple of weeks for Friday Traveling League.)

Hopefully at least a week in advance? Might be able to drum up some bodies to help if needed.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: Flying J on May 20, 2013, 04:22:01 PM
It probably won't happen until the week before the tournament due to local complaints.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 20, 2013, 04:34:57 PM
Jack, I know it's early, any ETA for lay out at Swope Gold? (planning next couple of weeks for Friday Traveling League.)

Hopefully at least a week in advance? Might be able to drum up some bodies to help if needed.

The problem is that the mowing, and the painting all need to take place and if you do it too far out it won't work.

Suffice to say unless you plan a special "thursday or Wednesday" edition of Friday league, it will not be available before the event.  This has nothing to do with local complaints, only time.  If we get help we could have it up minus the paint the week before would be ideal.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: spnachio on May 21, 2013, 04:59:58 AM
I read in BoD minutes that KCWO playas pack will have 2 discs, shirt, umbrella, and a custom dye Dan Howard mini. Are there any updates on this?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: Peter Bures on May 21, 2013, 08:23:29 PM
What about the rest of the courses besides Swope Gold? When will they be set?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jamidanger on May 21, 2013, 11:29:28 PM
jack - the pdga has the deaf disc golf association contacts, they're usually sending a contingent to large events.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 22, 2013, 08:46:13 AM
I know that WW is set in the long position.  I think that Dan is moving all the baskets for Blue Valley-side note, decided against #5 and #7 long, leaving them where they are.

Uncertain about Rosedale.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: Flying J on May 22, 2013, 11:03:56 AM
I like the decisions made about 5 and 7.   5 will provide a nice break from the four beastly previous holes.  7 is an amazing hole on the short position.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 22, 2013, 11:17:01 AM
too much work to make it happen and not enough time to make it right.  You are lucky.  5 is a must 2 now though, and 7 is a must 3, but the bigger problem with 7 is that it will really only be a 3, no separation there now, in the longer placement there is separation.
Alas it is what it is!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: TPalmer on May 22, 2013, 03:20:24 PM
Jack:  Have you secured someone to sign yet?  I have someone that can do it.  PM me your contact info if you haven't found someone already.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: Utz on May 22, 2013, 09:53:17 PM
Alrighty yall. 23 days left til the Wide Open. Registration is ramping up. 42 NT players as of today. 36 in MA1 alone.

kcwideopen.com (http://www.kcwideopen.com)

or make the hyperspace jump directly to the registration (http://kcfdc.org/kcwo2013_registration) page
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: Ken Franks on May 23, 2013, 07:58:29 AM
why can I not picture 5 long?? I thought it had only one placement...
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jhinck2 on May 23, 2013, 08:16:02 AM
why can I not picture 5 long?? I thought it had only one placement...

It's on the balcony of that house just to the right of 6 tee. You know, with the dogs that won't SHUT UP while you are trying to hit the left side gap in that tree.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: Jake B on May 23, 2013, 08:24:28 AM
It's actually in the really tall weeds back and to the right of the current pin. I'm not sure, but I think it was cleaned out at one point. There's another fairway cleared that goes back there, but it doesn't get mowed. (most likely because the ground isn't very flat) I would love to see it opened up, I'm getting tired of putting for 2 and taking a 4 on the left pin.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: Lander on May 23, 2013, 11:49:00 AM
What course are currently set for The Wide Open right now?  or when will everything be permanently set for the tournament?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: rich9000 on May 23, 2013, 12:05:44 PM
Intermediates only play on the 15 correct?

Would I need to be there to check in on thursday?

And lets say I won something and couldn't attend the prize ceremony on sunday could I still pick up and use the voucher at another point in time?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: mperry on May 29, 2013, 12:41:30 PM
I may have skimmed over it but what does the players pack for the int/rec players look like? Buddy wants to know.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 29, 2013, 12:45:36 PM
They will probably get 2 discs, a shirt, a mini, and entry to the BBQ, party on Saturday.  Ams will get 3 discs, umbrella, shirt, mini, entry to BBQ, and possibly a voucher to the vendors for an additional disc, looking at the entries before that will be decided.  Pros will get a shirt and a mini, and the BBQ.  The minis are small secret at this point, but most people should think that they are pretty darn cool.  Women will get a special gift as well from renowned disc golfer and wonderful lady extraordinaire the Flying Palmer!  That is a super uber secret though, as well the women will get slightly different shirts than the men, you know a women's shirt.... ;D

Int/Rec do only play on the 15th that is correct. 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: znicko on May 30, 2013, 09:14:36 AM
So where do intermediates sign in an pick up players pack if the can't be there Thursday?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 30, 2013, 09:34:14 AM
Sunday at Swope
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: rich9000 on May 30, 2013, 09:43:18 AM
Sunday at Swope
Sunday the 29th?

Can we sign in if we can't make it thursday because we live far away? For the same reason if we can't make it sunday is there another option for getting the players pack and possible prize? I probably don't have to worry about the prize but the players pack I would like.  I live too close to get a hotel, but too far to want to drive down 2 extra times.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: Ken Franks on May 30, 2013, 10:41:45 AM
Sunday the 29th?

 Lets go with Sunday the 16th....
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 30, 2013, 10:53:57 AM
Sunday at Swope
Sunday the 29th?

Can we sign in if we can't make it thursday because we live far away? For the same reason if we can't make it sunday is there another option for getting the players pack and possible prize? I probably don't have to worry about the prize but the players pack I would like.  I live too close to get a hotel, but too far to want to drive down 2 extra times.

Rich, the notion of the one day event is so that people can enjoy a day watching the pros at the final 9.  Registration and check in is slated for Thursday.  If you absolutely can't get your players pack on Sunday at Swope, then one can be mailed to you provided you cover shipping.  I find it hard to imagine that you would come to the event on Saturday Morning, play 2 rounds, then go to the BBQ party, and leave and miss out on the National Tour component of the Final 9 much less at least the morning round, where you could get these items.  This is the main reason we went with the one day 2-round format so that you could enjoy watching the top level pros play.

Suffice it to say though, that is not my choice, that is your choice.  However I am not at this point having additional staff made available to have the check-in materials available daily throughout the entire courses.  I may though based on your comments have a small sampling available Saturday at the BBQ to accommodate.  I will discuss it with the folks that have already volunteered to see if they can handle the extra work load.  You may not be the only person that is thinking like this, so I appreciate the notion.  However if timing doesn't allow it to happen, please understand that some type of concession will be in order to ship it to you if that is the outcome.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: Loomis on May 30, 2013, 11:41:40 AM
Rich,
Who do you know in town? Just have them pick it up for you and hold on to it, thus avoiding any complications. It shouldn't be a problem for someone to put your player's pack aside until you get to town. I'm sure you can ask someone nicely to hold it for you. Just not Jack. He'll be drunk, standing on a pedestal below a flashing neon sign that says, "I did this."

If you can't find someone, let me know.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 30, 2013, 12:28:09 PM
That would work as well.  I hadn't thought of that angle, but yeah it does work well to have someone else say you will be here, and you are picking it up for them.

Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: coops on May 30, 2013, 01:12:43 PM
Rich,
Who do you know in town? Just have them pick it up for you and hold on to it, thus avoiding any complications. It shouldn't be a problem for someone to put your player's pack aside until you get to town. I'm sure you can ask someone nicely to hold it for you. Just not Jack. He'll be drunk, standing on a pedestal below a flashing neon sign that says, "I did this."

If you can't find someone, let me know.

LOLZ

Quite a poet, Loomis!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: znicko on May 30, 2013, 01:53:44 PM
Will you have to have a meal ticket for the bbq meal Saturday night. An who do we go ask for our players packs at swipe on Sunday.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 30, 2013, 02:26:07 PM
You will need to have a meal ticket yes, this is why you need to pick up the players packet in advance, typically on Thursday. 

Based on your comments though more work, you bring up some good points.  I may alter the situation and have the players check in to get information at the BBQ on Saturday night now for those that missed getting the check in on Thursday.  Sounds like this is how it will be needing to happen.  Thanks for posting on this topic.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013(The Grip)
Post by: jack on May 30, 2013, 03:19:14 PM
I will figure out a way to have the C-Tier players items at the course on Saturday morning.  I hadn't thought that through as this is the first time that I have done the event with different days, I hadn't thought about that angle of it.  Again thanks for bringing it to my attention and I will work on a scenario so that everything is set up for ease of checking in on Saturday prior to the event starting.  You will of course though want to be there early to ensure that everything is running smooth if you hadn't checked in earlier.

Thanks again for pointing this out to me.  I am sure that we can make this all work!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: tallguy007kc on May 31, 2013, 04:27:50 PM
Here's an FYI update as far as staying at the Host Hotel goes......

I just reserved a room there for a "Last minute deal" rate of $61.00 a night.  That's even discounted from what Jack posted originally.  If ya' don't have a place, or just want your own room, that's actually a pretty darn giggity deal!  8)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on May 31, 2013, 04:51:25 PM
How did you get that rate?  I will get them to honor it for others as well.  I mean I just booked my room there as well.  Did you let them know you were a disc golfer?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on May 31, 2013, 04:52:14 PM
What is the deal with me and the hotels?  Geesh....  But thanks for staying at the host hotel.  I am going to be setting up a course there as well to entertain us during the off hours on Thursday and Friday.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: tallguy007kc on May 31, 2013, 05:01:25 PM
Not a problem, and sweet!   8)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: eeastwood on June 03, 2013, 04:11:51 PM
Is there a map yet of Swope gold layout for 2013?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: tallguy007kc on June 03, 2013, 04:21:45 PM
I finally read your comments Jack.  Actually, all I did was follow the links from the site until it came to the booking.  I selected my dates, and it set me up with a "Last minute deal".  I was a little surprised myself actually.  8)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: bensdadfred on June 04, 2013, 09:59:18 AM
Is there a map yet of Swope gold layout for 2013?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 04, 2013, 10:27:14 AM
yes there is.

I am working on the program today, and it should be set for review tonight or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: gochiefs25 on June 04, 2013, 04:57:35 PM
Are you going to post the map on the forum when it is completed?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 04, 2013, 07:45:43 PM
SHould have the program done in the morning, the Maps for all the courses should be available sometime tomorrow.  I will post a link accordingly.  Thanks for patience.  Work in Progress takes time!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 06, 2013, 10:39:56 AM
coming soon.....a program near your computer screen in the event you can't wait to get your hands on a hard copy, and need that soft copy to calm your nerves........
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Utz on June 07, 2013, 03:15:35 AM
Alrighty folks, we're just one week away from the Wide Open! the NT has 70 users registered with 17 Pro Ladies ready to rock (That's almost twice as many as we had last year)
Next is MA1 with 68 registered participants. I don't need to tell you... register soon! Online registration closes on Tuesday June 11th at midnight!

www.kcwideopen.com (http://www.kcwideopen.com)

The most current Course & Event Schedule has been updated on the kcwideopen website. Stay tuned for the maps and hole descriptions!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: thankyoupeter on June 07, 2013, 09:50:16 PM
Forgive me if this has already been answered recently, but have the baskets been put out for the Swope Gold layout?  If not, will they be out by Sunday?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: gleauzzzinier on June 08, 2013, 02:37:27 PM
yep.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: andyportwood on June 08, 2013, 10:24:45 PM
Hey Jack, did you get my message about upgrading to the Advanced group?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: joots on June 08, 2013, 10:54:07 PM
This may be a stupid question, but here it goes;  Do I, as an intermediate participant in this lovely tournament, have to attend the opening ceremony at the Ramada on Thursday night, or can I simply go donate my $5 to WW league? 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: tallguy007kc on June 09, 2013, 07:48:00 AM
At the risk of stepping on Jack here, pretty sure he's all good with ya' donating $5 to WW that night.  8)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: hberciunas on June 09, 2013, 08:07:18 AM
On the tournament schedule of events,  the pdga and kcfdc leagues are listed as part of the festivities.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: outotown on June 09, 2013, 09:34:21 AM
Advanced does not play until Friday afternoon, therefore I won't be coming into town until then. How should I check in? Where do I pick up players pack and  tournament program?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 09, 2013, 10:47:17 AM
yes there is.

I am working on the program today, and it should be set for review tonight or tomorrow.

Is the Swope Gold map up somewhere? I can't find it if it is.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: coops on June 09, 2013, 10:50:46 AM
Champ Glow Roc Fund Raisers for the Wide Open have made their way to Disc Golf World.  I would appreciate everyone in here buying at least 2!   ;D

Why aren't these available at the DD shop? I wanted to pick up a few but almost never make it up to DGW since DD is more convenient for me. (And I can't abide paying shipping for something I can pick up myself.)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 09, 2013, 11:02:52 AM
I'm not sure who to notify but all the sponsor links on the bottom of the KC Wide Open website link to the grip eq page and not to the individual sponsors.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dickthediscparker on June 09, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
Champ Glow Roc Fund Raisers for the Wide Open have made their way to Disc Golf World.  I would appreciate everyone in here buying at least 2!   ;D

Why aren't these available at the DD shop? I wanted to pick up a few but almost never make it up to DGW since DD is more convenient for me. (And I can't abide paying shipping for something I can pick up myself.)

These are Disc Golf World/Innova Sponsorship discs.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Utz on June 09, 2013, 11:14:19 AM
Hey Jack, did you get my message about upgrading to the Advanced group?

It will be updated in tonights PDGA upload batch

This may be a stupid question, but here it goes;  Do I, as an intermediate participant in this lovely tournament, have to attend the opening ceremony at the Ramada on Thursday night, or can I simply go donate my $5 to WW league? 

You can do as you please. I'll be running WW league, so come on out and have a good time.

Advanced does not play until Friday afternoon, therefore I won't be coming into town until then. How should I check in? Where do I pick up players pack and  tournament program?

Tournament programs will be available at the course site and will be posted online for download SOON. Players packs will be available at Swope. Just make sure you get to Blue valley early to check in with your TD.

I'm not sure who to notify but all the sponsor links on the bottom of the KC Wide Open website link to the grip eq page and not to the individual sponsors.

Oops, we're fixing that now.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: coops on June 09, 2013, 11:27:15 AM
Champ Glow Roc Fund Raisers for the Wide Open have made their way to Disc Golf World.  I would appreciate everyone in here buying at least 2!   ;D

Why aren't these available at the DD shop? I wanted to pick up a few but almost never make it up to DGW since DD is more convenient for me. (And I can't abide paying shipping for something I can pick up myself.)

These are Disc Golf World/Innova Sponsorship discs.

Fair enough. I thought that was a possibility but didn't see the DGW logo so it bore asking.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 09, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
Road trip
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 09, 2013, 01:12:10 PM
Tournament program for your informational viewing pleasure:

http://kcfdc.org/docs/Wide_Open_Guide_2013_Online.pdf (http://kcfdc.org/docs/Wide_Open_Guide_2013_Online.pdf)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: tallguy007kc on June 09, 2013, 01:31:46 PM
I was just reading thru, and saw this.....

‘Tall Guy’ :-) (not too tall!)

 ;D

Thanks Jack!  8)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: zumagun on June 09, 2013, 05:27:53 PM
Will C-Tier be able to check in on Thursday at the Ramada, or must we wait until Saturday at Rosedale?  It would be a shame if C-tier players packs weren't ready on Thursday when we attend opening ceremonies.

Also, I am a proud owner of a KCWO Glo Roc3 purchased at DGW, so proud in fact that I immediately noticed a problem when I couldn't find my name in the program.

#57722 (http://www.pdga.com/player_stats/102123)

Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: andyportwood on June 09, 2013, 10:15:16 PM
Hey Jack, did you get my message about upgrading to the Advanced group?

It will be updated in tonights PDGA upload batch

Thank you for the update!!!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: tmattoon on June 10, 2013, 08:28:22 AM
Will the Ob be marked at league tonight at blue valley and how much does it cost?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 10, 2013, 09:31:21 AM
I was just reading thru, and saw this.....

‘Tall Guy’ :-) (not too tall!)

 ;D

Thanks Jack!  8)

I know right....I don't think that I will ever forgive myself......
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 10, 2013, 09:34:51 AM
Will the Ob be marked at league tonight at blue valley and how much does it cost?

The OB is marked at Blue Valley-League will be in play.  The OB for the most part of Blue Valley is either on or across roads or sidewalks.  #3 is the only one that gets tricky, and the paths by the pin are IN not out. 

League is $6 +$1 for the ace fund, club members get a $1 discount.

Thanks Kevin for the program.  Yes I know there are a few timing errors.  For example, the players meeting is not at 7:30 AM.  You are not starting a round at 8:10 PM.  I think a few distances weren't double checked, and at the course I will make adjustments available for each card accordingly.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Ken Franks on June 10, 2013, 02:45:43 PM
Just made contact with Red Bull, they will be out to follow the National Tour and offer free red bulls to players...
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 10, 2013, 02:52:21 PM
Just made contact with Red Bull, they will be out to follow the National Tour and offer free red bulls to players...

I just contacted the various emt services and gave them the heads up that almost two hundred people will be consuming free red bull in 100 degree heat this weekend and that they should be ready for lots of heat stroke calls.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 10, 2013, 03:13:30 PM
Just made contact with Red Bull, they will be out to follow the National Tour and offer free red bulls to players...

I just contacted the various emt services and gave them the heads up that almost two hundred people will be consuming free red bull in 100 degree heat this weekend and that they should be ready for lots of heat stroke calls.

LOL! ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Aaron on June 10, 2013, 03:14:37 PM
That or the fastest rounds recorded at the KCWO.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: andyportwood on June 10, 2013, 03:37:01 PM
Just made contact with Red Bull, they will be out to follow the National Tour and offer free red bulls to players...

I just contacted the various emt services and gave them the heads up that almost two hundred people will be consuming free red bull in 100 degree heat this weekend and that they should be ready for lots of heat stroke calls.

Giving a whole new meaning to "It gives you wings".... :P
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 10, 2013, 04:08:15 PM
Just made contact with Red Bull, they will be out to follow the National Tour and offer free red bulls to players...

What?  No.  I don't want RedBull at this event.....if they want to come out they need to coordinate it.  They should be at the players BBQ if they want to be anywhere.  THey walk around are distracting, and in all honesty I have a sponsor already of Arnold Palmer Tea for the BBQ and they need to go through channels the proper way....ARGH......
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 10, 2013, 04:46:33 PM
Geezus Jack, not everything needs to be OFFICIAL. Good grief. I doubt RB being there will be much of a distraction, and I doubt they'll be in anyone's face. They'll set up their little Mini car, and people will come to them. And a big name like Redbull being out there will add legitimacy to this event in the eyes of casual spectators, which is a good thing.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Utz on June 10, 2013, 05:23:21 PM
Just made contact with Red Bull, they will be out to follow the National Tour and offer free red bulls to players...

We talked about this at a board meeting. Those girls better stay out of the way and recognize Golf etiquette. Other than that, right on!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: gleauzzzinier on June 10, 2013, 07:47:23 PM
Remember when the Red Bull girl was standing ON Emac's disc offering him wings! Some Rosie tourney a while back.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 10, 2013, 09:25:55 PM
I am just going to go ahead and say it... 8 am? Really? Heads up that rush hour is a b%tch.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: outotown on June 10, 2013, 10:13:53 PM
I am just going to go ahead and say it... 8 am? Really? Heads up that rush hour is a b%tch.

Ya but we are talking about the Masters and Grandmasters, right?  Up to read the morning paper by 4:30 A.M. grab a glass of Metamucil and you are on the road. No worries.   :) 8)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Peter Bures on June 10, 2013, 10:32:06 PM
Open tees at 9 as well. Although I'm sure that most of them will be planning on being at their course welllll before tee time.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: OpIvy1 on June 10, 2013, 10:46:21 PM
Remember when the Red Bull girl was standing ON Emac's disc offering him wings! Some Rosie tourney a while back.

I was on his card when that happened.  They would not get out of our way!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 10, 2013, 11:30:08 PM
Just made contact with Red Bull, they will be out to follow the National Tour and offer free red bulls to players...

What?  No.  I don't want RedBull at this event.....if they want to come out they need to coordinate it.  They should be at the players BBQ if they want to be anywhere.  THey walk around are distracting, and in all honesty I have a sponsor already of Arnold Palmer Tea for the BBQ and they need to go through channels the proper way....ARGH......

And you wonder why few (brave) souls want to help out.

I don't drink the stuff but I think that Tank showing the initiative it great! Everyone else can have my share and all the jitters that go with it!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 11, 2013, 09:08:12 AM
Remember when the Red Bull girl was standing ON Emac's disc offering him wings! Some Rosie tourney a while back.

I was on his card when that happened.  They would not get out of our way!
They are not aware of the scenario and have as indicated by others been a distraction.  That is the reasoning.  Keizer things need to be done in a way that makes sense for all the sponsors.  Legitimizing disc golf by having Red Bull girls show up isn't something that I think of when I see things on TV.  When was the last time you saw a Red Bull Girl walk in the middle of the fairway in Augusta?

As for the 8:00 am start, it sucks, I get it as well, but it is Blue Valley.  League rounds took about 3 hours last night, so tourney rounds are 4 hours plus.  I was cussing Des Moines with their 8:00am start, only to think to myself, yeah I did that as well.  It is what it is.

And now we are very close to having the event here.  All I can say is THANK YOU TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HELPED OUT!  It takes an entire community to make this event work, and many of you are putting the feet to grass, some more than others, don't get me wrong, but overall I want to thank all of you that are taking time away from your life to make this work for everyone!!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Ken Franks on June 11, 2013, 09:18:26 AM
 By the way, I didn't contact any "Heads to be" w red bull, I simply bent a couple red bull chicks ears about it while they were walking around Rosedale yesterday...

 Sorry and sh!t, This is what happens when TanK makes an Executive decision.... I'll just stick to playing golf and missing putts...
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Post by: discglover on June 11, 2013, 09:24:16 AM
Hey Keizer! Pass the popcorn.
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Post by: coops on June 11, 2013, 09:26:23 AM
Swope looks great! Thanks to Dan Cashen (right?) and the random P&R guy on a mower that said he volunteered his time to help put in those steps. The course is immaculate and great fun to play.

A fair warning: get out there and play it and don't trust the caddy book. It would seem that there are a lot of differences in hole lengths and descriptions. The set up is still cool but don't think you can imagine your way around it and figure out what it'll be, because it isn't that.
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Post by: jack on June 11, 2013, 10:33:11 AM
distances may be off, but the book is spot on otherwise, only OB isn't marked accordingly, and there will be updates on that available for the players during the round.  The distances were best guessed with a range finder prior to them being in place, and in order to get the book done and look alright, well they are off in a few instances, only a few.

OBs will be done tonight.
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Post by: coops on June 11, 2013, 11:05:22 AM
Two best examples are hole 1 says it is 525 and the tee sign says 390.

Hole 2 also looks like it is in the long position on the map and says 380 ft but it is actually in the short right position.

Hole 16 on the map says it is 400 feet but says 630 in the hole description section, which I believe to be more correct.

There may be other things that should have addenda but these are the most glaring that I see.
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Post by: jack on June 11, 2013, 11:21:51 AM
Distances on the map were added, so in complete agreement on that.  Just a few distance errors, other than the hole #2 location, the other thing on #2 is that I don't think that I am going to be able to get the straw bales that I am looking for in time.  I haven't given up yet on that though....
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Post by: coops on June 11, 2013, 11:38:12 AM
Cool.

All I know is that I'm trying to convince my group that hole 2 is actually 380 and is just visually deceptive.  8)
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Post by: jack on June 11, 2013, 12:42:50 PM
good luck on that, but I did get a good chuckle thinking about it....
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Post by: jamidanger on June 11, 2013, 02:29:40 PM
tall guy versus g-money, hmmmmm...by one stroke
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Post by: tallguy007kc on June 11, 2013, 03:40:08 PM
tall guy versus g-money, hmmmmm...by one stroke

My money's on Tallguy!  ;D

I sized G$ up this past weekend.  I can take him.  ::)
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Post by: mperry on June 12, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
How come blue valley is a shotgun start? It is the only course we play that day why can't we do tee times?
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Post by: bensdadfred on June 12, 2013, 11:58:57 AM
I believe they are running 2 groups through Blue Valley that day.. :o
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Post by: Ken Franks on June 12, 2013, 12:00:09 PM
no tee times at all this year....
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Post by: mperry on June 12, 2013, 02:55:44 PM
Boo  :(
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Post by: Aaron on June 12, 2013, 06:35:27 PM
So I got a question. I walked most of swope today and noticed hole 10 is an island. Is there no drop zone? If not do we just empty our bag till we reach it?  And then if I run out of discs what is the procedure at that point? 
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Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 12, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
Boo  :(

Why do you prefer tee times? Just curious is all.
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Post by: Ken Franks on June 12, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
Boo  :(

Why do you prefer tee times? Just curious is all.

 Feels like a "REAL" event....
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Post by: coops on June 12, 2013, 08:10:49 PM
Boo  :(

Why do you prefer tee times? Just curious is all.

 Feels like a "REAL" event....

Agreed. I think there is an element of excitement to it too. If the tournament is close at the end there is a larger base of players to watch it draw to its exciting close. If there aren't tee times that could happen before the last place people finish and there just seems to be something wrong with that.

Also, many of the best tournaments I've played have been on tee times. GBO and Vibram have been exclusively that way and I think they are better for it.
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Post by: mperry on June 12, 2013, 08:15:17 PM
Boo  :(

Why do you prefer tee times? Just curious is all.

 Feels like a "REAL" event....

Agreed. I think there is an element of excitement to it too. If the tournament is close at the end there is a larger base of players to watch it draw to its exciting close. If there aren't tee times that could happen before the last place people finish and there just seems to be something wrong with that.

Also, many of the best tournaments I've played have been on tee times. GBO and Vibram have been exclusively that way and I think they are better for it.

Cooper pegged it.
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Post by: robm on June 12, 2013, 09:30:07 PM
....and if you really suck, you play earlier so you can watch the big guns play later.  Not that I would know, just speculating.
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Post by: eeastwood on June 12, 2013, 09:37:30 PM
Planning on taking my kids to the youth clinic tomorrow. What's the particulars, cost, registration, etc.?

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Post by: tmattoon on June 12, 2013, 10:10:19 PM
Can you purchase extra tickets to the BBQ and can anyone come to the opening ceremonies?
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Post by: eeastwood on June 12, 2013, 10:27:39 PM
I am not in the know, but last year you could buy extra tickets at BBQ.   So I am assuming you could again and I am pretty sure anyone can go to opening ceremonies.
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Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 12, 2013, 11:22:48 PM
Boo  :(

Why do you prefer tee times? Just curious is all.

 Feels like a "REAL" event....

Ya know how I know this is a "REAL" event? Because it hasn't even begun yet and people are already b%tching. ;D
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Post by: Diersen on June 13, 2013, 08:46:55 AM
Check in is only from 12-4 today?
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Post by: coops on June 13, 2013, 08:55:13 AM
Do we have to check in? I might be able to get over there in time but Thursday is a hard day to guess when I'll be off work.
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Post by: Ken Franks on June 13, 2013, 08:59:31 AM

Ya know how I know this is a "REAL" event? Because it hasn't even begun yet and people are already b%tching. ;D

 you know what an "event" is? WEEEIIIIRD!!!
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Post by: Diersen on June 13, 2013, 09:16:46 AM
Same here. Makes it hard for us working folks. Someone mentioned that there is possibly a late check-in tonight at the host hotel? Can someone confirm this?
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Post by: kcfrisbee on June 13, 2013, 10:00:32 AM
confirmed.  you can check in at the host hotel before the players meeting.
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Post by: kselrod on June 13, 2013, 10:08:31 AM
Boo  :(

Why do you prefer tee times? Just curious is all.

 Feels like a "REAL" event....

Ya know how I know this is a "REAL" event? Because it hasn't even begun yet and people are already b%tching. ;D


LOL, I have a buddy that says he has never heard more b%tching and whining in his life until he is around disc golfers at a tournament... ;D

And as a TD that's the thanks we get.  When people b%tch about my tournaments I just tell them to step up and be in charge next year and run the tournament.  Usually shuts them up pretty quick!  I know some of you are not b%tching but just inquiring and there is a difference, believe me.  So no need to jump down my throat about this post.  ;)

As a TD we all know what that stands for....Thankless Deed

I had plenty of people come up to me last year after the PITT Open and thank me and just one thank you makes it all worth it for me.  That's why we are trying to raise the bar and make it a 2-day 2-course event this year.  Hope you can make it as registration is now live!
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Post by: coops on June 13, 2013, 10:44:12 AM
Boo  :(

Why do you prefer tee times? Just curious is all.

 Feels like a "REAL" event....

Ya know how I know this is a "REAL" event? Because it hasn't even begun yet and people are already b%tching. ;D


LOL, I have a buddy that says he has never heard more b%tching and whining in his life until he is around disc golfers at a tournament... ;D

And as a TD that's the thanks we get.  When people b%tch about my tournaments I just tell them to step up and be in charge next year and run the tournament.  Usually shuts them up pretty quick!  I know some of you are not b%tching but just inquiring and there is a difference, believe me.  So no need to jump down my throat about this post.  ;)

As a TD we all know what that stands for....Thankless Deed

I had plenty of people come up to me last year after the PITT Open and thank me and just one thank you makes it all worth it for me.  That's why we are trying to raise the bar and make it a 2-day 2-course event this year.  Hope you can make it as registration is now live!

People need to develop thicker skin and stop viewing criticism as b^&*(*&%^. If you want to find a way to take offense because people disagree with the way you've chosen to run something, that is your own problem.

And... it seems to me that feedback from players is a great way to run even better events in the future.
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Post by: kselrod on June 13, 2013, 02:27:30 PM
Boo  :(

Why do you prefer tee times? Just curious is all.

 Feels like a "REAL" event....

Ya know how I know this is a "REAL" event? Because it hasn't even begun yet and people are already b%tching. ;D


LOL, I have a buddy that says he has never heard more b%tching and whining in his life until he is around disc golfers at a tournament... ;D

And as a TD that's the thanks we get.  When people b%tch about my tournaments I just tell them to step up and be in charge next year and run the tournament.  Usually shuts them up pretty quick!  I know some of you are not b%tching but just inquiring and there is a difference, believe me.  So no need to jump down my throat about this post.  ;)

As a TD we all know what that stands for....Thankless Deed

I had plenty of people come up to me last year after the PITT Open and thank me and just one thank you makes it all worth it for me.  That's why we are trying to raise the bar and make it a 2-day 2-course event this year.  Hope you can make it as registration is now live!

People need to develop thicker skin and stop viewing criticism as b^&*(*&%^. If you want to find a way to take offense because people disagree with the way you've chosen to run something, that is your own problem.

And... it seems to me that feedback from players is a great way to run even better events in the future.

I guess this is directed towards me so I guess I'll respond that people also need to develop a sense of humor and some personality.  I don't and will not have a problem with people giving me criticism about anything.   In fact at the end of our tournament I asked for it and some people did give me their negative and positive opinions.  Things like that always makes your events better as the years go on.  In fact I remember one negative opinion that I'm going to make sure I address to not be an issue for this years tourney.  But if they go on and on about something and make the event sound not worth attending to other players then I call it b%tching!  I'm not saying any comments on here are directed in that fashion at all but there are those out there that take it to far about some things.

So I guess I can put you down as a NO for attending the PITT Open?   ;D
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Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 13, 2013, 02:39:22 PM
KCFDC.org/forum = Serious Business.
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Post by: gochiefs25 on June 13, 2013, 05:35:15 PM
KCFDC.org/forum = Serious Business.

No kidding. Sounds like alot of people need to just get out and play a round. Let some steam off.
Since this IS a topic for the wide open, anyone know the status of the hay bails at swope?
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Post by: ekolk on June 13, 2013, 07:33:57 PM
Hay is installed and the course is completely marked for OB.
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Post by: coops on June 13, 2013, 09:00:25 PM
Is the hay an island or obstructive?
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Post by: KCVinnie on June 13, 2013, 09:05:20 PM
Nice start to the tournament.

Sarah Hokom and CJ did a great job running a juniors clinic for all 4 attendees today.  They were both very patient and helpful with the kids.

By the way, I thought Swope looked awesome today, can't wait to get out there! 
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Post by: ekolk on June 13, 2013, 10:27:49 PM
Is the hay an island or obstructive?

Both. Now complain about it.  ;) I mean that there is marked OB perpendicular to the hay bails, and they are stacked two high, and there is OB behind the basket about 45 feet out. You don't want to be short of the hay bails. However, there is a long landing strip, in bounds, on the left side of two's fairway. Just don't get into three's fairway as it is OB, too.

Swope looks better than I have seen it in three years. Too bad the park has lost so many trees to disease. It should be a premier course, IMO> The course is amazing as it is set now. Oh yeah, and new stairs thanks to KCMO P&R and Dan Cashen and crew.

I haven't seen the other courses yet, but have talked to many people who have donated time and energy to their beautification. Great showing of the KC community. Can't wait to see them this weekend.

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Post by: Utz on June 13, 2013, 10:32:01 PM
That's what I'm talking about. Ladies and Gentlemen we're 10 hours away from GEP31KCWO. Good luck to all you players out there. Many thanks to the folks that make this event possible. Without our awesome members volunteering countless hours, this event does not happen. You should feel good about this :D East and West, doesn't matter this weekend folks, we're playing for Kansas City.

Get you some.

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Post by: Ken Franks on June 13, 2013, 10:50:56 PM
Jack thought hole assignments might get posted tonight?
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Post by: Utz on June 13, 2013, 11:09:04 PM
Kenneth, TanK Franks,

A little birdie says they might get posted tonight.
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Post by: spnachio on June 13, 2013, 11:09:24 PM
Count Jeffo in to spot second round BV on friday and all day spot at swope on saturday. Sunday I will drink and hang. Good luck to all!
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Post by: Utz on June 13, 2013, 11:34:40 PM
Here are some  Tee Assignments  (https://docs.google.com/file/d/1L1LxxZQNHNMQPREbTwFjnOoUg_YsdFxqseSvuAuTHEefHo8zMN-Qj2xpQLd-/edit?usp=sharing) for you to devour. Goodnight golfers!

Cheers from your 1:00pm Teetime friends in MA1.
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Post by: jamidanger on June 13, 2013, 11:55:49 PM
thanks utz, looks like i'll be parking on e26th terr for my bv round!
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Post by: coops on June 14, 2013, 06:49:55 AM
My card looks fun!

I think my goal for round one is to see how many times I can say "Loomis" in conversation and have Bradley Williams overhear it.  ;D
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Post by: goat on June 14, 2013, 04:10:07 PM
I just looked at the posted scores.   Nice shooting Dick (wisperer) Parker!  You too Fred Smith!  Not supprised by either.  Keep it up locals!  I'm hoping to see tatoo Steve and Tom Butler on top of the am masters come Sunday!   

 
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Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 14, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
There is still room for some more players in the tomorrow's KCWO C-Tier. You'll need to sign up at Rosedale no later than 8:30 am. The cost is $62 ($10 less if you're a current PDGA member)  Players play Rosie and Water Works, and receive a package that includes two discs, a commemorative shirt, two minis, and the Saturday night party/dinner.

Here's some TV coverage the event got today:

http://fox4kc.com/2013/06/14/top-disc-golf-players-take-part-in-31st-kc-wide-open/ (http://fox4kc.com/2013/06/14/top-disc-golf-players-take-part-in-31st-kc-wide-open/)
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Post by: discglover on June 14, 2013, 04:52:47 PM
Everyone failed to mention Pauly.  Have not checked scores yet.
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Post by: robm on June 14, 2013, 07:52:29 PM
Was Swope Gold par established?  Total, per hole, etc.
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Post by: kcRhyno on June 14, 2013, 09:46:36 PM
Pros tee off at 11 at BV, correct?
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Post by: spnachio on June 14, 2013, 11:00:59 PM
Was Swope Gold par established?  Total, per hole, etc.

I was told Swope and BV are 64.

I think Rosdale is a 57?

WW is 54


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Post by: hberciunas on June 15, 2013, 05:10:29 AM
Disc Golf Planet TV is laying a big egg. NO LIVE COVERAGE! 1 hour rap up show with 55 minutes of studio and commercials. Only about 5 minutes of highlight action of two tees and a couple holes with McBeth. LAME!
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Post by: Loomis on June 15, 2013, 06:24:47 AM
Give it time. They don't have the manpower or equipment to cover the event like you probably want them too. Though more disc golf would be a step in the right direction.
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Post by: Loomis on June 15, 2013, 03:54:02 PM
Once again.... perhaps some people need lessons in weather and tournament management. Don't wait until the last second to call a round due to bad weather.
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Post by: thankyoupeter on June 15, 2013, 05:26:09 PM
When the decision is made as to what the Advanced Men group is going to do tomorrow morning could you please post it here?  As I understand it, as of right now we are teeing off to finish our round at 7:30, then moving to Waterworks.  I guess we'll see if they can get that power line fixed by tomorrow morning.

On another note, I saw Nikko took a 3 on 9 at Blue Valley.  I didn't think that was possible in the current pin setting.  Did he take the normal route and just throw a bomb anny drive over all the trees?
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Post by: Lander on June 15, 2013, 05:33:21 PM
 Players party and BBQ still on at Swope Pavilion. That is what facebook KCFDC is saying. I heard rumors of it being somewhere else, just wanted to clear that up.
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Post by: Ken Franks on June 15, 2013, 05:51:08 PM
Once again.... perhaps some people need lessons in weather and tournament management. Don't wait until the last second to call a round due to bad weather.

 Maybe you can run the Wide Open next year since Jack is stepping down?
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Post by: coops on June 15, 2013, 09:28:08 PM
Once again.... perhaps some people need lessons in weather and tournament management. Don't wait until the last second to call a round due to bad weather.

 Maybe you can run the Wide Open next year since Jack is stepping down?

Loomis runs great events! But likely he won't be in the area.
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Post by: coops on June 15, 2013, 09:28:43 PM
What is up with the morning round? We still on target to start at 9:30? (For Open)
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Post by: robm on June 15, 2013, 09:53:18 PM
Nikko Eagled hole 9 at Blue Valley.  3 on a Par 5, 946 feet.  You have got to be kidding me.
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Post by: The Nailer™ on June 15, 2013, 10:03:38 PM
"Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it."
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Post by: coops on June 15, 2013, 10:39:24 PM
Nikko Eagled hole 9 at Blue Valley.  3 on a Par 5, 946 feet.  You have got to be kidding me.

Took the cheater route. Gonna have to do something to stop that from happening in the future as it really screws with 11.
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Post by: Ken Franks on June 15, 2013, 10:51:08 PM

Took the cheater route. Gonna have to do something to stop that from happening in the future as it really screws with 11.

 after this weekend, the mando will be moved and it WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!!!! I already let McBeth and Uli know how I feel about them doing that!
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Post by: 27493 on June 15, 2013, 11:54:27 PM
Please describe this...  driving around the mando to 11's green, then up to the basket on 9?
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Post by: Ken Franks on June 16, 2013, 12:26:57 AM
or landing in 11's fairway... than having to throw over the heads of players playing hole 11....
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Post by: coops on June 16, 2013, 06:02:21 AM

Took the cheater route. Gonna have to do something to stop that from happening in the future as it really screws with 11.

 after this weekend, the mando will be moved and it WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!!!! I already let McBeth and Uli know how I feel about them doing that!

It is totally fine for a player to take a route that is available to them. I had heard about it and might have done it but, having never thrown it before, didn't think an NT was the place to start.
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Post by: Loomis on June 16, 2013, 07:17:52 AM
What they can do shouldn't be punished just because others can't. I applaud their efforts and courage
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Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 16, 2013, 08:52:48 AM
What they can do shouldn't be punished just because others can't. I applaud their efforts and courage

This. Pretty unfair to call it a cheater route if the mando was satisified. Sounds more like he took the innovator route. Bonus points if it pissed anyone off! ;D
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Post by: jamidanger on June 16, 2013, 09:07:29 AM
rock on nikko, those two strokes are what the lead is going into sunday play
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Post by: robm on June 16, 2013, 09:23:43 AM
There are still players that haven't returned to the wide open because of that debacle.



Who?
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Post by: The Nailer™ on June 16, 2013, 09:28:36 AM
I play all sorts of fairways at smp.
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Post by: robm on June 16, 2013, 11:43:27 AM
Swope Par as listed by PDGA Live Scoring:
1-4
2-3
3-3
4-5
5-5
6-3
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Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: DerekUzzle on June 16, 2013, 02:31:58 PM
Someone needs to take a look at scores from rec rounds yesterday or fix the Pdga stats.  The way the prizes were awarded are different than what's on pdga site. 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 16, 2013, 06:24:51 PM
What they can do shouldn't be punished just because others can't. I applaud their efforts and courage

I wasn't saying they are/were cheaters I'm saying 'cheater' in the same way I call lefties 'cheaters'. It is a euphemism.

But I think they hole needs to be reworked because of the backup on 11 it creates.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Aaron on June 16, 2013, 06:49:27 PM
Adv division are the only scores not in yet. What's the deal?  I want to find out if I came in last or second to last.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: discglover on June 16, 2013, 10:17:56 PM
Nice seeing Danny Craig win Adv. Masters. Cograts to CD too.
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Post by: Peter Bures on June 16, 2013, 11:08:36 PM
Seriously why the hell has it taken so long to update the scores for Advanced Men? It's been this way all weekend.


I know there was a lot going on this afternoon, but honestly?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 17, 2013, 08:40:26 AM
I am working on the scores folks for the Adv Div.  Please give me some time I hope to have them up today.  I apologize for the delay.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 17, 2013, 09:00:25 AM
Once again.... perhaps some people need lessons in weather and tournament management. Don't wait until the last second to call a round due to bad weather.

I find it interesting that the person that had to make the decision has heard negative comments on the timing of the call from exactly one person so far. While this person that was tasked with making the decision freely admits he feels he should have called it five minutes sooner. But certainly not thirty minutes sooner as one person suggested. It's a tough call and a stressful situation that everyone would prefer not to find themselves in. Your comments are of course most certainly welcome and will definitely be taken to heart.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jamidanger on June 17, 2013, 09:48:42 AM
great job at all the courses, especially with weather delays, everybody was cool and that's the way it should be. congrats to cd for knocking out a world champ in a playoff with a pimp driving deuce on hole 1 @ ww. awesome spotting and no fights that I heard of between players. too bad rosie wasn't ready for play on sunday.
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Post by: Ken Franks on June 17, 2013, 10:01:27 AM
what an amazing EVENT!!!!!

 Jack's High experience in running events and making the proper calls from my angle where right on point...

 Unfortunate we had to lose a golfer in what seems to have been a fixable error by KCP&L

 You cant make everyone happy all the time, and for the love of god, who would want to!!!!

 Thanks KC BoD, staff and Community... I can't EVER say enough how proud I am too call this community home!!!!

 I qualified for my 7th USDGC this weekend and will do my best to make KC proud in ROC hill!!!

 One Love!

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Post by: gochiefs25 on June 17, 2013, 12:18:45 PM
Great event! Had a blast all three days, even though we didn't get to finish Rosie.
My one concern is the Advanced Men's vouchers for placing in the top 35. They were supposed to be handed out before the NT Final 9, but no one seemed to know where they were. Unfortunately, my wife and I had to get on the road back to Denver before anything was sorted out. Does anyone have any info on the vouchers? or if I could still receive mine to be used online?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: zumagun on June 17, 2013, 04:11:39 PM
GoPro slow-motion video of some pros at Rosedale. (http://youtu.be/v7LQy1X8taA)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: robm on June 17, 2013, 05:06:18 PM
(http://www.innovadiscs.com/images/FParticles/KCWideOpen_McBeth-1920x1080.jpg)

Really cool pic.
Feel free to resize it.
Feel free to shoot me a message telling me how to resize it.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 17, 2013, 06:36:21 PM
Once again.... perhaps some people need lessons in weather and tournament management. Don't wait until the last second to call a round due to bad weather.

I find it interesting that the person that had to make the decision has heard negative comments on the timing of the call from exactly one person so far. While this person that was tasked with making the decision freely admits he feels he should have called it five minutes sooner. But certainly not thirty minutes sooner as one person suggested. It's a tough call and a stressful situation that everyone would prefer not to find themselves in. Your comments are of course most certainly welcome and will definitely be taken to heart.

The person is me. Just say it. And the issue was brought up by more than a few people. As the course cordinator it's your call to make, and the 30 minute delay in making the call was wrong. You see lightning, you have to pull the players. Period. You don't wait until the last second. The entire reason for assistant TD's is so you can make these calls when they're missing. No one complains because no one generally complains about these things. Many issues go unreported and unmentioned. This one could have gotten someone hurt and then you could have taken THAT to heart.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Utz on June 17, 2013, 07:02:19 PM
I feel that Chappy called the Adv. @ Rosedale in perfect time. The storm rolled in so quick..
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: KCVinnie on June 17, 2013, 07:14:32 PM
I feel that Chappy called the Adv. @ Rosedale in perfect time. The storm rolled in so quick..
I agree, my card was able to get to our cars before the rain came and before I remember seeing any lightning.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: kcRhyno on June 17, 2013, 07:16:48 PM
Hindsight is 20/20 dude. As you can probably see, it isn't easy running a giant event like a NT. maybe run it next year, don't play a Jack Lowe event ever again, find something positive to say, or shut the hell up.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Aaron on June 17, 2013, 07:35:09 PM
My card was on hole 8 and had no chance in hell of making it back dry when it was called. But then again I didn't care, just part of the experience. Great event, thanks to everybody who put on the event and volunteered.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 17, 2013, 07:56:24 PM
Hindsight is 20/20 dude. As you can probably see, it isn't easy running a giant event like a NT. maybe run it next year, don't play a Jack Lowe event ever again, find something positive to say, or shut the hell up.

Wake up numb nuts! I wasn't talking to you or about jack. Pick up the pace. This issue involves Kevin. And either you're not an avid reader or maybe you're slow witted, I made the first complimentary comments about the event. The reaction on record does not constitute the rather trite and over-played statement of "hey, you run it then." Jack did a lot of things great and he %$#@ed up some things. That happens. THIS issue is for Kevin and his lack of action when it was required of him. Safety first.

Now go back to sleep.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 17, 2013, 08:19:13 PM
I will agree with Loomis, generally, though refrain from commenting on this particular instance since I wasn't there.

Safety has to be paramount. Calling a delay is never easy but it is much easier and better than a lightning strike. I feel at some events that I've been at the call has been retarded for one reason or another but when a possible event has such a magnitude a delay cannot be tolerated.

Again, I'm generally agreeing with Loomis but not talking about this instance since I wasn't there.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Peter Bures on June 17, 2013, 09:50:36 PM
I was at Rosedale on Saturday, and think he called it at the perfect time.

The first lightning I saw was less than 5 minutes before the rain, and it was far enough away to not even be heard at all. In less then 10 minutes the weather went from beautiful and sunny to 40mph winds and pouring rain.

There would have been no way to call it any sooner. Period.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: robm on June 17, 2013, 09:55:06 PM
I was spotting at hole 4 at WW on Saturday.  When the warning siren went off, I was like, 'really?  it's not even raining dude'.  As I was walking up the hill on hole 7 and looked back at downtown, it became more like, 'WTF!'  I was amazed at how fast it came in.  It would have been a tuff call.  I'm glad I didn't have to make it.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 17, 2013, 09:55:44 PM
Swope had a different set of circumstances.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: kcRhyno on June 17, 2013, 10:04:31 PM
Then send Kevin a PM and don't post on a public forum for us to react too and comment on. Or do I need to be on this forum for another 8 years to understand that?  Guess I will just go to bed now and let you and cooper argue who's gonna catch and who's gonna pitch tonight. 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 17, 2013, 10:09:34 PM
Then send Kevin a PM and don't post on a public forum for us to react too and comment on. Or do I need to be on this forum for another 8 years to understand that?  Guess I will just go to bed now and let you and cooper argue who's gonna catch and who's gonna pitch tonight.

Out of line. I don't even know who you are so I'm not sure what your problem is but this is a discussion about safety.

Everyone will agree that this decision is hard and is one that not everyone will ever be happy with. I think everyone will agree, however, that discussion and improvement is indeed meritorious.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 17, 2013, 10:20:55 PM
I really don't have anything further to add and don't feel I need to defend my actions as I've already stated my position. If others felt they were in danger and are unhappy with how things turned out they certainly didn't voice those concerns to me at the time or after the fact. But your point is well taken Loomis. I completely understand where you are coming from and if this situation happens to me in the future your comments will no doubt be valuable information for myself and others to draw upon.

Oh, and the word we were trying to think of the other day when I was talking to you is astraphobia. I don't say that to be facetious, I just remembered our conversation and was curious.

I think we'd all be a lot better off if the club simply purchased a couple of these for just such situations and I sincerely wish I had had one Saturday.

http://www.scientificsales.com/P5-2-Skyscan-Lightning-Detector-p/p5-2.htm (http://www.scientificsales.com/P5-2-Skyscan-Lightning-Detector-p/p5-2.htm)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 17, 2013, 10:26:29 PM
This is a great suggestion Kevin. Thanks for not resulting to homophobic slurs to make a point.

I'm actually surprised there aren't requirements in the PDGA manual to use these things. I know they would be expensive for every TD to have but they are also prevalent. I know many schools are required to have them for activities and I'm sure for a rental fee and some form of collateral when they are unused they could be acquired.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: spnachio on June 17, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
I don't know how with computer/cell phone internet, how radar couldn't have helped make the call. I was at swope and it looked like it might stay south and it darkened up out east and I saw some bolts. These were already by us. Then winds picked up and then it dumped sideways. Finishing hole 7 Pete Cashen stopped us and hooked a ride up right as the rain started. Thanks for the ride. I would ultimately say if you're worried lightning is gonna hit nearby then stop, head to the TD and demand a stoppage. I think swope was handled fine. I've rarely seen players argue to stop for safety during the round.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 17, 2013, 10:40:01 PM
Dear mr slow pitch soft balls,

Did you play the tournament this weekend? I don't see your name anywhere. So where did you get this insightful outlook on this topic? I bet you just started reading today, huh? Are you sorta slow? i bet you wouldnt know if you were or not - its that bad, huh? I have a theory but we will get to that later. Keep up if you can but I can tell there isn't much hope of that.

I made my comments regarding weather and the need for some clarity on how to handle weather issues. Cause... Wait for it, this is the second time this year that a TD has had a tough weather issue to resolve. You with me so far, Mr. Slow pitch?

Then Kevin replied rather vaguely and spinelessly. He didn't say, "hey, I %$#@ed up and let jack pressure me into an unsafe call;" or "I panicked and made a bad call." Instead, he tried to dodge it. Then, like clockwork, the huffin' and puffin' crowd who always make empty comments like a bad politician seeking inclusion and acceptance, showed up with their defenses up in an effort to just move on and maintain the status quo no matter whether or not that is good or not...


Now I know I've said a lot so go grab someone and have it explained to you before I continue...

Kevin should have just said, "hey I screwed up. I won't do it again." He didn't. He scampered toward the dress and waited for others to obscure the issue.

Enter the huffin' and puffin' crowd. Yourself included.

You don't sound like you follow the threads real well to understand who is talking about what or what issues have been raised. You're an interloper in this situation and, I'm sure your parents and every girl you've ever talked to would agree with me - you're boring and in the way. So - and I'm sure you here this often - stay out of the way.

If cooper wants to comment about you I will leave it to him.

I'm sorry, I know I wrote a lot and there's no pictures.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 17, 2013, 10:46:24 PM
And the discretion of the call is on the TD. If a player tried to leave his card before the TD calls it they get stroked. And Kevin knew the weather was bad as we discussed it 35 minutes before the call was made. Lightning was seen. Radars were viewed and Kevin even said, "it's coming." And yet it took him 35 more minutes to make the call. THAT'S the error.

However...

According to the PDGA it's his call and their are no guidelines to follow other than one persons opinion. Players can be stroked for defiance. Just to be clear.

Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 17, 2013, 10:51:27 PM
Yeah. I'm not replying to Mr. Rhyno's comments. I sort of was expecting them to be deleted by now anyway.

I think there should be a brightline standard for when to call a suspension of play due to lightning. I like this detector thing a lot. I remember when my football coaches would have it out if the weather even looked dicey and if it got within a certain range that was that. There was no room for human decision it was simply a process of looking at the machine and doing what it said.

That sort of decision making needs to be removed from the process. Period. We don't want to get to the point where somebody gets killed during an event before things change.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jamidanger on June 18, 2013, 12:27:50 AM
if you saw lightning, suspend play your self, I've played rounds with players that have done it, they say I ain't risking it. personally  i'll play hell or high water, but if the td blows that horn - game off. nobody will dairyqueen your ass for making a safe call within your group, but playing after the horn is different. same logic applies to shootings that a td may not see or hear. 3 rules of golf 1 : play safe 2 : be courteous 3 : all holes are par 3
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: robm on June 18, 2013, 07:36:15 AM
I second the recommendation that the club purchase a minimum of 1, possibly up to 3 of the lightening detectors:

P5-2 Skyscan Lightning Detector

It is a good safety precaution.

It is a great liabilty precaution.

It should be required by the KCFDC to be used of any tournament that receives board approval on KCFDC maintained courses.  A $5-$25 fee (figure life expectancy and amortize the amount) could be charged to the tournament so there would not be any cost to the club.  A deposit should also be required that is refunded when it is returned.  If the TD is a recognized and responsible club member, the deposit could be waived.
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Post by: mikedopen on June 18, 2013, 07:55:47 AM
Ward, I think you being a little hard on the beaver.....


Just saying. ..
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Post by: kcRhyno on June 18, 2013, 08:00:54 AM
Please forgive me, your Highness. I wasn't aware that nobody could or should ever oppose the genius that is Loomis. As soon as I figure out how to use a thesaurus, I will decipher your incredible response.  Maybe when I grow up, I'll be an incredible traveling Renaissance man like yourself. And no I did not play this event due to circumstances that are out of my control. I was at every round except for the first round at WW.  now, go blog about something, you amazing wordsmith you.
Cheers  ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: kidmills on June 18, 2013, 08:03:47 AM
it hard to understand why ya'll are worried about when the call was made,with all that was going on on this weekend,i guess it's the only thing you could find to complain about..............very well run tournament(with all that mother nature give us)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 18, 2013, 08:24:03 AM
Trust me Mr. Slow Pitch, if you were worth the time or trouble I could spend all day on your tragic existence. Now go sit back down and do what you do best - be an example of a life spent on the sidelines. And if you feel my words are too much for you, I'm always free to make my points in person.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 18, 2013, 08:28:10 AM
it hard to understand why ya'll are worried about when the call was made,with all that was going on on this weekend,i guess it's the only thing you could find to complain about..............very well run tournament(with all that mother nature give us)

It's simply an issue of magnitude. The caddy book was off, I wish there were tee times, and I'm sure there are a few others things I could nit-pick if I wanted to. The thing about it is that it was a very well run tournament even with its flaws. This issue, while we thankfully avoided anything dire this time, has shed some light on the processes and procedures involved in the safety aspect of our sport. Nothing happened this time, but it would be asinine to think that means nothing will happen in the future.

Minor problems can be forgiven. Events of major magnitude have to be considered. Like I said from the start: I'm not speaking to this instance as I wasn't on this course at this time. We were done at BV by the time the storm came in. I think there is something to be said for continually striving for improvement and establishing brightline safety requirements for our events.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 18, 2013, 09:16:37 AM
Only a few instances of the Caddy Book were off, and that was from the information that was given to me by the person that did it.  I didn't do my due diligence in double checking all the information as I normally do because it was done by a third party this year in an effort to make it look better.  Since I am not running the event it will not be an issue next year for me.

THe weather is the weather.  You don't pull people off a course because there is a storm in the area 35 minutes away.  Kevin and I were in communication as I was with all the Course Directors about the timing of pulling people off.  Did we wait to long and some people got wet, sure, but the immediate threat that seems to be a topic in here wasn't the case.  Seeing lightning 20-30 miles away and having the technology to view it on the phones now adays makes the lightning detectors not as needed as some are implying here.  The PDGA used to have them and with the advent of the phones and the technology it is easy to identify patterns.

Too many times in our area it rains in Olathe and doesn't at WW, the same is made of Swope to Rosedale.  THe weather shifts, we were watching it, and when it looked to be as though that it was going to be passing over the areas affected, play was called.  Simple as that.  THe fact that it was discussed, "oh it's coming" as Loomis indicated, so what, it is coming, that doesn't mean pull them off right then, you pull them off when it becomes unsafe which is what happened.

AS for tee times, I will say it again and this really @#)(*&(*@#&(*_#W& irritates me, had you attended the players meeting you would have known this.....tee times would have happened if there were enough players to support it.  There was a plan in place to make it happen, but I am not asking my all volunteer staff to sit outside in the hot sun an extra 5 hours so you can play on a tee time.  Had we had people to be there to make it happen plans were in place to have that happen in the NT division.  Tee-times don't make an event, so get over yourself in thinking that, an event is made by the players and the mindset and attitudes that they bring.

THose of you that complained about tee times on the NT, the only thing that I really can say is that with tee times, the event wouldn't have finished and we would have quite possibly had to suspend play until Sunday at Blue Valley.  I for one was glad that tee times didn't happen exactly for reasons like this weekend.  Someone playing at 10am, was having less weather than a 1 pm start for absolute certain.

Run large events sometimes and you will see that it isn't about you and your desires, it is about the other 308 players out there and ensuring a fair format that works for everyone to have a balanced chance at competition.

Overall some mistakes were made, the stupid Drop Zones at Swope I am still hating that I caved.  A caddy book is off a few places on distances and one line with a map.......you didn't get tee times, I can live with all of these errors.  Next time you want to do something your way, step up and run the event.  That is the only way you will ever get your way.
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Post by: coops on June 18, 2013, 09:34:39 AM
Boy, can't even take a compliment about a well run tournament.

The books: Not a problem for the locals but if I hadn't been local I would've been pissed. All in all not a big deal as they were, as you pointed out, mostly right. That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that they were wrong. It is a statement of fact and if we aim to improve in future years we can't be afraid of seeing the failures.

The tee-times: Not so sure why you're pissed off that I prefer events with tee times. It is a preference. Many great events operate exclusively on tee times and I, personally, like those events the best. You may not. It is opinion and while still open for debate, highly personal. As for saying that finishing at BV before the storm rolled in showed by tee times are not better I would point you to the old saying about hindsight. It is weak to suggest that because it worked in this instance it 'necessarily' means that it was better this way. But, lest you latch on to this one point to get upset about, let me say it again: the argument over tee times is largely an issue of preference.

The players' meeting: Not worth attending based on previous experience. I've played too many tournaments where it is simply a waste of time to even attend an on course meeting (though I still do). When it is off course and the night before an event and an hour away from my house, I'm not going to be there. Any pertinent information could and should still be covered at the course. And, in case you choose to berate me for not getting a caddy book as a result of not checking in myself I would say maybe make the check in times more friendly for those locals that are working the day before the event. Most days I would have been able to do it myself but that particular day was hectic at work and I didn't leave till almost 5, and hour after check in closed. The next time that I had heard I would be able to check in was around the players' meeting, which was several hours after the fact and not worth waiting for.

The lightning: Let me reiterate for those of you that can't seem to understand the point that I am making about this. I'm not talking about this particular instance and largely I'm speaking to the overall PDGA rules of competition but I think there needs to be a brightline standard for when to suspend play. Say any strike within 30 miles suspends play for at least 30 minutes or something like that. With that there also needs to be a reliance on the technology that we have to make the call for us. I've seen too many events where the TD is unwilling to call players off because they don't want to be viewed as making the call too early. And on the other side of it I'm sure there are times when the TD has called players off too early. My point is that there just need to be clear rules and clear devices that activate those rules.

In sum, it was a great tournament. Thanks to all the volunteers for making it happen. Thanks most of all to Jack for being the figurehead that has to deal with all of the circumstances that come up. Now, can we all stop being so sensitive and have real discussion about what went well and what didn't go so well so that we aren't doomed to repeat the latter?
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Post by: coops on June 18, 2013, 09:37:10 AM
http://www.pdga.com/rules/competition-manual/section-1-tournament-procedures/17-suspension-of-play (http://www.pdga.com/rules/competition-manual/section-1-tournament-procedures/17-suspension-of-play)

This rule sucks. With elections coming up I hope all of us contact some board members and those hoping to be elected and talk to them about it and how to improve it.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 18, 2013, 09:40:17 AM
The cavalier attitude about weather is exactly what will come back to haunt some event and then we'll see what you think. The weather was sour and it was going to be an issue and we should have been pulled when lightning and thunder were present. Period. Again, your opinion was all that mattered according to the PDGA but I suspect that's about to change. Quite a few cards at swope were put off by the lack of appropriate action on behalf of this one call and felt it was handled poorly. Of course, the moments passed now and most of them have left town - though a few locals who could comment on the errant call are not "forum dwellers" and therefore have made no mention of their opinion.

I had no issues with any other aspects of the tournament other than the errant call at swope. I applaud everyone and everything else about the event and have my times both before, during and after the tournament. I stand by my statement about the call and will make my concerns about it known to the PDGA directly.

In the ocean of decisions that had to be made this weekend, this is the only one I have disagreed with. So consider yourself - and this event - a success! Pat yourself on the back again, jack, and try not to feel victimized because a few locals can twist your ear about what they thought about the weekend. I'm sure your vanity will survive this and, certainly, all future calamities that may befall you.

So can we please dump the empty, "then you run it then" woe-is-me responses?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 18, 2013, 09:45:23 AM
Well done to the KCFDC and all the volunteers to make the 31st a success! Excellent TD and assistant work at every course, spotters in places I didn't expect to see but were needed and great to have them.  Also not to forget all the man hours put in to prepare for the event both on course and off.  Thank you all! 

I agree. And again, anyone who volunteered at the event can redeem a $5 gift certificate at mile north.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 18, 2013, 09:48:15 AM
Well done to the KCFDC and all the volunteers to make the 31st a success! Excellent TD and assistant work at every course, spotters in places I didn't expect to see but were needed and great to have them.  Also not to forget all the man hours put in to prepare for the event both on course and off.  Thank you all!

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Post by: ekolk on June 18, 2013, 09:53:15 AM
Every player I talked to seem to love the courses and the event. Nate Doss commmented to Kristie and me about how much he and other pro players enjoyed the schedule and playing the core courses of KC> He also mentioned it wouldn't be bad to skip Rosie to play Cliff in the future, after redesign.

We had a great showof community in the form of volunteers and I hope you can all make it to the volunteer party TBA.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 18, 2013, 10:37:13 AM
Every player I talked to seem to love the courses and the event. Nate Doss commmented to Kristie and me about how much he and other pro players enjoyed the schedule and playing the core courses of KC> He also mentioned it wouldn't be bad to skip Rosie to play Cliff in the future, after redesign.

We had a great showof community in the form of volunteers and I hope you can all make it to the volunteer party TBA.

Played Cliff last night, it was in beautiful shape.  Moved it to the Mighty Mo Settings.

Cooper, tee-times not directed at you per se, you mentioned it.  Best events don't equate tee-times again I agree with the sentiment that it is an opinion.  If we had more volunteers to help with the event tee-times would be a better option, but we don't people don't all show up to help, many have other items they would rather do fact of live unfortunately.  If we could pay our volunteers it would be better, our sport doesn't support it, and not enough in our community of local disc golfers go out to get sponsors to help to make this a reality. 

Loomis, my call, and it was the right call, as for you and several other cards comment, spot wrong bud you are the only person that has said anything to me that I am aware of (or Kevin for that matter) so we upset you, I can live with that.  Kevin has SEVERAL years of running and helping run events, he made the call as he sees fit, and he is an exceptional volunteer of DECADES of work to the club and thousands of hours, and I trust and believe his decisions over your opinion in this instance.  Sorry YOU don't like it Loomis, it was not your call to make, and your rhetoric to the notion that it was not a wise decision is only your opinion.  Those that volunteered to make it happen thank you, for all the work that went in, please don't let this one sour note ruin another wise wonderful weekend of disc golf.

I know that this is only a couple of items that we are discussing about the event, and overall most are happy with how things developed over the course of the weekend, some mistakes were made, but overall those pale in event as a whole.  It took an entire community of disc golfers (even you and Cooper, Loomis) and I thank you all for the work leading up to the event, during the event, and the continuation of cleaning up the courses and resetting Swope for us to enjoy.

Our courses always look great this time of year, and there are hundred if not thousands of disc golfers in the area that are unaware of our efforts as a collective group to improve disc golf for the players from all over the world.  I think that a thank you is never enough, and as such I know that a volunteer party is being planned.  One item I would like all of you players to think about, is possibly coming out and spotting and caddying for the volunteer party, your way of thanking all of the people that put out their time to make your event work.  It would be nice to see some of that type of behavior from the players in the event locally if you can.  Just food for thought out here.

These are small issues, and shouldn't even really be discussed as everything was followed to the tee of the rules, and the communication was delivered.  It is sad you choose this topic to berate on a great guy for the club, and an event that many enjoyed.

Again thanks to all that played, helped, watched, or followed, it was a fun ride!
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Post by: Loomis on June 18, 2013, 10:46:33 AM
Decades of volunteering, right call/ wrong call, who has said what regarding the call... Its empty rhetoric, bud. The captain of the Titanic had years of experience. And those who had opinions regarding the calamity usually never said anything. You can brush the issue aside all you want. You can even cloak your responses in "thank you's" and "congratulations." It doesn't change the fact that the call was wrong and you stand by it. I disagree with you. That's it. We'll see if this moment changes the rule regarding weather for future evets when you and Captain Smith are no longer allowed to use your keen sense of weather prediction for calling a tournament. So it ends with us not agreeing on this issue. You had the right to call it when you did and nothing will change a Jack opinion about a Jack call. So I will go over your head and make sure you don't get to make that call again. Easy enough.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 18, 2013, 10:52:34 AM
When and where is the volunteer party? If I'm available I'd love to come out and help.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 18, 2013, 10:59:47 AM
Decades of volunteering, right call/ wrong call, who has said what regarding the call... It doesn't change the fact that the call was wrong and you stand by it. I disagree with you. That's it. We'll see if this moment changes the rule regarding weather for future evets.....
Again this is your opinion Loomis, only you feel it was wrong.  I stand by the fact that the call made was correct and done in consultation with many individuals monitoring the weather closely.  Were you watching your phone or playing the round?  My goal as TD is to ensure that things go as planned and safety is a concern.  Pulling people off the course when YOU felt like it wasn't my concern.  My concern is the safety of everyone and the decision was made in a timely fashion to minimize distraction from the event and allow safety to be maintained.  That was achieved.

You don't like it, you made it clear.  Fortunately though your opinion on this matter though obviously notated had no impact on the decisions of others that were in charge to make the decision.  I get you don't like it, but having played in an event just three weeks ago where play should have been suspended I understood there is a line, you play in foul weather, it happens, you don't play in unsafe weather, that is what we did.  We allowed play in foul weather, and pulled players in unsafe weather.  Your definition wasn't consulted and I apologize for that.  I used the modern thing that I am typing on to gather the information and worked with Kevin at making an informed decision as to when.  Maybe a few minutes could have been done earlier, but the notion of 30-35 minutes earlier is just silly.

Again I will hide it in a big thank you to all that helped, like it or not Loomis, over a 100 people helped to make this event work for you to play, and if you don't like the decisions the step up and run the event and make the decisions next time, and then listen to people that are single sided with conversational points that they see as the only way it should be done.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 18, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
When and where is the volunteer party? If I'm available I'd love to come out and help.

Will be working on a date.  THey had all the local players in Santa Cruz come and cook food, spot, and caddy for all the volunteers at Worlds there in 2011, and I thought that was a super cool idea.  I will be sure to share accordingly with folks about it once a decision is made.  I think that Crazy even hit an ace at that thing.....
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: bensdadfred on June 18, 2013, 11:05:02 AM
HEy! For all those with panties that are not soiled, KC's own (And East side phenom) CD Steiner became the only player in the Wide Open history to WIN in every PRO division! I, for one would like to congratulate CD for many years of stellar play and doing what it takes to get it done! WELL DONE CD!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Loomis on June 18, 2013, 11:06:24 AM
Apparently captain smith didn't inform you that he showed me the weather pattern on HIS phone and when I said it doesn't seem to be moving our direction, HE replied, "It's coming." Again... Your TD. He was aware of the data and made it clear to me and even concluded that it was a threat. Five holes later, with lightning and thunder in our sky (we were south of you and the rest of tournament) the tournament wasn't called until the last second.

So it seems you aren't even aware of the circumstances at the course and with your own TD. I will make a note of that.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 18, 2013, 11:13:45 AM
please do sir loomis, we knew it was coming, thus preparing to make the call, just didn't do it when you wanted us to is what I think we all agree on.

As for CD, and Eric Eastwood, Minna, we have a lot of local talent that did great out there on the courses this past weekend.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: tallguy007kc on June 18, 2013, 11:14:42 AM
Just thought I would drop in and say thanks to everyone that had any role in helping put on this event. I had a blast, as usual! 8)

Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: tallguy007kc on June 18, 2013, 11:15:55 AM
Just thought I would drop in and say thanks to everyone that had any role in helping put on this event. I had a blast, as usual! 8)

Oh, and it was a giggity good time.  ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 18, 2013, 11:16:18 AM
Noted: jack knew the threat and delayed the call. Got it.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 18, 2013, 11:18:10 AM
Noted: jack knew the threat and delayed the call. Got it.

Perfect in your mind now, we all agree on that as well! ;D

Thanks Tall Guy!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 18, 2013, 11:22:28 AM
HEy! For all those with panties that are not soiled, KC's own (And East side phenom) CD Steiner became the only player in the Wide Open history to WIN in every PRO division! I, for one would like to congratulate CD for many years of stellar play and doing what it takes to get it done! WELL DONE CD!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I think he's still got to get the Senior Grandmasters and Legends win, Fred.

I jest, I jest. Great job CD!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: kselrod on June 18, 2013, 03:19:25 PM

I agree. And again, anyone who volunteered at the event can redeem a $5 gift certificate at mile north.
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That's a cool idea!
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Post by: Ken Franks on June 18, 2013, 03:32:02 PM
good lord, THE b%tchING!!!!!

 Is anyone singling out the mass of mistakes in the players book? Done by Loomis and entry to the event paid for, for doing such?????

 Should we start 3 freaking pages about the incorrectness of the hole descriptions and belittle you????

 SFTU already people!!!!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: kselrod on June 18, 2013, 03:40:29 PM
I think it was a bad call and I saw that coming all the way down here in Pittsburg KS.  I wanted to attend but felt staying home and spending a few hours with my 3 year old on her birthday (which was Saturday) and some time on Father's Day after going through a rough divorce was in my best interest.  With all the pain I've experienced over the last few months I wish all I had to complain about was whether or not the weather call was correct or not.  So I hope some people realize that there are way more problems in life to dwell on rather than saying the same thing over and over again.  I'm not saying this to be rude but to open peoples eyes a little bit in the grand scheme of things we call life.

By the way, what's the weather supposed to be like this weekend for the Mighty MO?  I may try to attend if there is no threat of bad weather and if Jack doesn't have to make the call...lol.   ;) ;D
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Post by: robm on June 18, 2013, 03:51:09 PM

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=zmw:64184.4.99999 (http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=zmw:64184.4.99999)

Sunday
 Mostly cloudy. High of 90F. Breezy. Winds from the South at 15 to 20 mph.
Sunday Night
 Partly cloudy with a chance of a thunderstorm. Low of 72F. Winds from the SSW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20%.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 18, 2013, 04:02:15 PM
I have an idea. Let's stop talking about 'this' time and start talking about 'next' time. The only way we can get things better and better is focus on the procedures and their implementation well ahead of the time a call has to be made. Maybe if we become more forward thinking and not focus on our hindsight we'll all be a little happier.

So I hope some people realize that there are way more problems in life to dwell on rather than saying the same thing over and over again.  I'm not saying this to be rude but to open peoples eyes a little bit in the grand scheme of things we call life.

In many instances, sure, in this instance I'm not so sure. Yes, this time everything was fine, but often (and I'm not saying in this case) TDs act cavalierly with the lives of the participants. The reality is that while many things in 'real life' suck at least we are alive to feel them and to deal with them. This even transcends many of the safety issues like pedestrians or cars getting hit or poor footing because the damage is terminal.

So let's all calm down. Stop yelling at each other and have a grown up discussion. I know posting in this thread has almost no way to avoid being backward looking so maybe we should shift it to the thread started by Rob in Club Business or create a new thread in General Banter.

Let us all try to live the peace that hole 4 at Water Works beckons us towards!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 18, 2013, 04:08:28 PM
good lord, THE b%tchING!!!!!

 Is anyone singling out the mass of mistakes in the players book? Done by Loomis and entry to the event paid for, for doing such?????

 Should we start 3 freaking pages about the incorrectness of the hole descriptions and belittle you????

 SFTU already people!!!!


Great point stank. Lets address the caddy book. It was written in early May and then the course was changed (swope and blue valley) later. So you're right, it was wrong but that's less to do with my efforts and more to do with last second changes which were not communicated to me (other than two holes at blue valley). So that's the answer to your tough little mystery.

And that's what I did for the tournament. Now lets list all of your efforts and see how they stack up? I can't think of one thing you've done for anyone other than yourself since you arrived. Not one day of line painting, no tree trimming, no caddy book writing. Sitting at board meetings hardly constitutes "doing something." So before you open your mouth, make sure you have the right to even say anything. Otherwise, sit back and let others do the work you never seem to be a part of.

You're an arm chair quarterback who hasn't offered up much other than weight at the other end of a teeter totter during conversations.
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Post by: Loomis on June 18, 2013, 04:10:44 PM
I stand corrected, you got the red bull girl to show up.
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Post by: kselrod on June 18, 2013, 07:41:37 PM
Since we have the PITT Open coming up I have a question. Has anyone inquired about borrowing or renting one of those lightning detectors from the city or the local parks and rec departments for your tournaments?  Just curious as I'm going to talk to ours to see if it's an option to help keep the competitors safe.  Thanks
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Post by: coops on June 18, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
Since we have the PITT Open coming up I have a question. Has anyone inquired about borrowing or renting one of those lightning detectors from the city or the local parks and rec departments for your tournaments?  Just curious as I'm going to talk to ours to see if it's an option to help keep the competitors safe.  Thanks

It may be worth checking with a school district, too. I know our football coaches used to have them and, in the off season, what school wouldn't be amenable to some extra income?
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Post by: kselrod on June 18, 2013, 08:03:11 PM
Since we have the PITT Open coming up I have a question. Has anyone inquired about borrowing or renting one of those lightning detectors from the city or the local parks and rec departments for your tournaments?  Just curious as I'm going to talk to ours to see if it's an option to help keep the competitors safe.  Thanks

It may be worth checking with a school district, too. I know our football coaches used to have them and, in the off season, what school wouldn't be amenable to some extra income?

Cool, great idea. I work at Pittsburg State University and will check with our Athletics Dept. tomorrow as well.  Thanks for the suggestion.
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Post by: ekolk on June 18, 2013, 10:03:15 PM
Just start another thread, on another forum. Cool, this is not.
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Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 18, 2013, 10:07:39 PM
Just start another thread, on another forum. Cool, this is not.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. This thread is like a fine wine, baby!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Loomis on June 18, 2013, 10:21:00 PM
Just start another thread, on another forum. Cool, this is not.

What's not cool?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Tom on June 18, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Both my daughters worked most of their late teen years as Lifeguards for the City of Olathe Parks and Rec at the Oregon Trail Park pool directly behind my old house. Before they worked there, they and Cindy spent the Summers there as well. Being so close to the pool and knowing the director of the pools and guards, we knew their procedures regarding many issues, from how to deal with underwear wearing drunken patrons, to when to clear the pools and deck when thunderstorms were in the area. Basically, the pool and deck are cleared immediately when any lightning is seen, or when any thunder is heard.

My card at Swope saw lightning flashes while we were halfway up hole 4. We were called in while we were playing hole 7. We could not hear the horn, but Pete and Kevin came and got us. Since none of us were killed or maimed, and no near misses happened, the call must have been made early enough, this time.  :-\   

I think perhaps since we live in a part of the country that has some of the strongest thunderstorm activity, we should have our own death/injury by lightning during Disc Golf event avoidance procedure. That would make the decision of when to call the players in easier for the TDs. If phone or interweb technology shows exact locations of strikes, perhaps the players could be called in based on a distance from the nearest strike to the course. I don't know what that number would be, but I'd guess it would be around 10 miles.

I thought the tournament was fun and the courses looked great. I tried to thank all the staff I saw, but to those I missed, and even to those I did see, THANKS!   :)
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Post by: jamidanger on June 18, 2013, 10:34:13 PM
b pool never ever saw the red bull girl, any photos?
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Post by: Loomis on June 18, 2013, 10:47:29 PM
Well, Jamie, not every effort we give works out the way we hope it will.
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Post by: Ken Franks on June 19, 2013, 06:07:35 AM

Great point stank. Lets address the caddy book. It was written in early May and then the course was changed (swope and blue valley) later. So you're right, it was wrong but that's less to do with my efforts and more to do with last second changes which were not communicated to me (other than two holes at blue valley). So that's the answer to your tough little mystery.

And that's what I did for the tournament. Now lets list all of your efforts and see how they stack up? I can't think of one thing you've done for anyone other than yourself since you arrived. Not one day of line painting, no tree trimming, no caddy book writing. Sitting at board meetings hardly constitutes "doing something." So before you open your mouth, make sure you have the right to even say anything. Otherwise, sit back and let others do the work you never seem to be a part of.

You're an arm chair quarterback who hasn't offered up much other than weight at the other end of a teeter totter during conversations.

 I feel ZERO need to justify anything to you. Since you asked, I helped sponsored the event, I offer my services to do what the BoD asks me to do, ie, carry the leader board and keep score. Think I wanted to do that? No, but I did...

 Since you have so much time to complain, many wonder, When's the release of 90 days of mooching off my foreign girlfriend?
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Post by: Loomis on June 19, 2013, 08:13:40 AM
Oh stank, of all the people who shouldn't comment on mooching... My god youre the Babe Ruth of mooching. As far as my present situation, hmmmm let's just say I will let your perception stand because I don't think minna wants to chime in to negate your claim. However, she did think it was funny.

And you're right, you don't have to justify yourself. Which is why I'm shocked you brought up your labor intensive sign carrying duties. You didn't have to mention it, but you did. You're altruism is well-noted. I don't think anyone doubts your deep charitable heart. You carried that sign. My gosh, the future of disc golf is safe in your hands.

I challenge everyone to make a list of all the deep hearted efforts made by mr. Stank in the future. I won't be here to notice his staggering selfishness so I will task everyone here to see if go beyond the sign carrying and actually do something. And note to you; it's not altruistic if it serves you; e.g. Offering to coach players... At a discount... Is not altruism. Taking out of town players to play ball golf when the rest of city is painting lines, removing brush, shoveling wood chips, and repairing tee signs... Is not altruism. Doing something for others should be selfless.

Don't worry, I'll be gone soon enough. But now everyone is going to notice your input. Or lack thereof.
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Post by: eeastwood on June 19, 2013, 08:30:21 AM
I have a suggestion for future tournament directors (and league coordinators), and maybe something our Tech team could work on for the entire KCFDC community.  A very useful tool would be a text service that you signup for to receive text message updates.  The soccer league that I coach in has such a service and we receive up to minute updates for field conditions as soon as games are cancelled or in some cases confirm games if there is a question.  Rather than call the rainout line, you check your text messages which are instantaneous. 

For tournaments, this would be useful for weather delays and letting everyone know at the same time if there is a delay and for how long.  It can be very difficult to hear the call in if you are on the far side of the course during a rainstorm.  It's also a better (faster/easier) way to communicate to everyone that's participating changes to schedules and where and when players need to be at.  I could see the usefulness be extended to our KCFDC leagues whether they are still happening (due to weather), location (Cliff/BV or Birdland/PC), start time, or the format (singles to doubles) has changed.  You could also use it for KCFDC club announcements such as meeting dates, scheduled work days, etc.  The way the soccer text message works is that you can choose which updates you receive (from which field).  You can do all or only the specific fields you play and can opt out at any time.  For us, you could break it down to Tournaments, Leagues, KCFDC announcements.  I suppose you could break each League and Tournament into a separate section, but that might a bit cumbersome and if you have unlimited texts it's not a big deal to receive the extra information.  I've been thinking about this for a while now and hopefully something the Tech team can make it a reality. 
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Post by: robm on June 19, 2013, 08:55:08 AM
I like Eric(k?)'s suggestion.  I took the liberty to cut and paste it into the Lightning Detectors thread
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Post by: eeastwood on June 19, 2013, 09:04:08 AM
Another thing regarding the so much bickering that has been on the message board as of late.  It reminds me of what I experience at home with my 8 and 10 year old kids.  It drives their mother and I absolutely bonkers.  They bicker all the time... it's constant, relentless, and does absolutely no good.  Please stop.  I get enough of this at home, I don't really want to experience it on what I do for fun.

I do think there is a place to offer suggestions on way things can be done better.  But often it comes off as complaining.  I know I'm guilty of this and some of my suggestions for improvements look like that I'm complaining, but I'm just trying to offer ways to move forward and make a better disc golf experience in Kansas City.  I know for me it's very difficult to get tone correct in a post.   

And finally, a huge THANKS! to Jack and all of the other volunteers for the KCWO.  I had an absolute blast this weekend and one of the most enjoyable tournaments that I have played in.  It was about the right amount of golf (that my arm can take), great courses, and smoothly ran.  Here's my suggestions.  I would really like to watch the Pros play more.  My suggestion for next year is that the NT play Fri/Sat/Sun or Sat/Sun, and the A-tier/C-tier play Fri/Sat (maybe 3 rounds, but 4 would be fine too).  Just a suggestion not complaining about the way that it was ran in the past.   ;)

Happy disc golfing, get out there and have some FUN!   
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Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 19, 2013, 09:05:38 AM
I have a suggestion for future tournament directors (and league coordinators), and maybe something our Tech team could work on for the entire KCFDC community.  A very useful tool would be a text service that you signup for to receive text message updates. ....

Interesting idea. We use this technology at USM to alert students to snow days and other things. I'll look into this and see if it would be feasible to implement this and allow club members the opportunity to "opt in" to receive alerts. Thanks for the suggestion Eric.

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Post by: jack on June 19, 2013, 10:36:25 AM
was talking about this as well during the rain out with the PDGA's Jason Allind.  I think that it is a good way to get the information out there about delays and times.  Phones are generally off, so you still need to horn people for getting them off the course, but the notification about when it may resume can be used for this method as well.  I did the best I could with Faceblock and the PDGA and KCFDC sites to get the information out once it was looking like a timeline, but having it sent to phones/e-mails was something that I thought made sense and should be relatively easy to complete.


Thanks Kevin for taking this, and Eric thanks for posting it and reminding me about my thoughts.  My brain has been a little distracted this week from the events.

Sadly as I read, and I have been guilty as well, I don't often think about my own signature line in the my e-mails.  It does though bear notion that at times we must:

"Do not listen to those who weep and
complain, for their disease is contagious."
Og Mandino
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Post by: bensdadfred on June 19, 2013, 10:38:32 AM
Not to be confused with Mandingo!  :o
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Post by: Ken Franks on June 19, 2013, 10:56:31 AM
but that sign was really REALLY heavy!

  I'm not sure anyone else could've handled the sheer poundage that sign takes on the human body... I've need so much anti inflammatory's and constant massages since that brutal day...

 One day I will recover...

 
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Post by: jamidanger on June 19, 2013, 11:01:32 AM
could we remove the term "shotgun start" since it is propagating gun culture, and we aren't using a shotgun, but we use horn signals? just trying to kill this thread.
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Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 19, 2013, 11:16:57 AM
could we remove the term "shotgun start" since it is propagating gun culture, and we aren't using a shotgun, but we use horn signals? just trying to kill this thread.

What's wrong with gun culture? And why are you trying to kill this thread?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jamidanger on June 19, 2013, 11:20:44 AM
the path to peace is through the eradication of poverty.
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Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 19, 2013, 11:35:22 AM
the path to peace is through the eradication of poverty.

I believe the children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Ken Franks on June 19, 2013, 11:36:21 AM
the path to peace is through the eradication of poverty.

I believe the children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way.

 should we show them all the beauty they possess inside?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: eeastwood on June 19, 2013, 11:39:10 AM
but that sign was really REALLY heavy!

haha, I know right.  Jack asked me and probably anyone else near me if I wanted to carry it and I said "no way!, I want to sit here relax and drink my beer"
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jamidanger on June 19, 2013, 11:40:14 AM
the poor may always be poor but we are obligated they are not hungry
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 19, 2013, 11:44:46 AM
the poor may always be poor but we are obligated they are not hungry

Huh? What's this "we" sh1t, Vladimir? Why are they not obligated to get off their asses and feed their damned selves?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jamidanger on June 19, 2013, 12:49:43 PM
We don't need a weakened government but a strong government that would take responsibility for the rights of the individual and care for the society as a whole.
Vladimir Putin
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Post by: jack on June 19, 2013, 12:51:47 PM
Monty python.. French persons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1yjT8XsDI8#)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 19, 2013, 01:03:36 PM
We don't need a weakened government but a strong government that would take responsibility for the rights of the individual and care for the society as a whole.
Vladimir Putin

Yes, the Russians, poster children for human rights and individual freedom.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jamidanger on June 19, 2013, 02:19:15 PM
according to time magazine he is, but all he did was bring democracy and peace to a country ravaged by guns



(http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/jamidanger/vlad_zpsf081b013.jpg) (http://s843.photobucket.com/user/jamidanger/media/vlad_zpsf081b013.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: ian on June 19, 2013, 04:05:14 PM
Can anyone tell me what the official par was for the tournament? I'm trying to figure out where everyone was sitting for the final 9. Thanks!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: dickthediscparker on June 19, 2013, 04:08:04 PM
I heard BV and Swope was a 64... Though after thinking about what I consider par, BV is low and Swope is high. I'm probably wrong though. Rosedale sat at 56 IMO. and WW was a 55.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: ian on June 19, 2013, 04:16:26 PM
Just found some pictures. I'm thinking it was 241? McBeth's scorecard before the final 9 said 201 and the PDGA board said -40. Hmm
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 19, 2013, 04:36:16 PM
Blue Valley-64 (Should have been 66 or 67 in retrospect.....)
Swope Gold 2013-64 (Should have been a 64 but I messed up on hole #'s 1 and 15, should have been 3/5 not 4/4)
Rosedale-58 (4's on 8, 9, 12 & 18) I realize that 12 is debatable, and should have been a 3
WW-55 #6 is a 4 in the configuration

Arm chair QB'in doesn't just happen Sept-Feb, it happens every week in DG, and obviously we have a lot of folks that like to sit in the EZ chair.....

Par for the initial event=241
The final 9 was 30 based on #1 being a 4 from the original layout.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: ian on June 19, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
Thanks Jack!
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Post by: tallguy007kc on June 20, 2013, 09:20:37 AM
Blue Valley-64 (Should have been 66 or 67 in retrospect.....)
Swope Gold 2013-64 (Should have been a 64 but I messed up on hole #'s 1 and 15, should have been 3/5 not 4/4)
Rosedale-58 (4's on 8, 9, 12 & 18) I realize that 12 is debatable, and should have been a 3
WW-55 #6 is a 4 in the configuration

Arm chair QB'in doesn't just happen Sept-Feb, it happens every week in DG, and obviously we have a lot of folks that like to sit in the EZ chair.....

Par for the initial event=241
The final 9 was 30 based on #1 being a 4 from the original layout.

Question then, and it doesn't make a flyin' flip to me either way but, are the B Pool's rounds going to be adjusted to the Par equaling the 241 at some point on the PDGA site?  I'm sure everyone has seen it by now, and it's not that way currently. 

Just curious, and thanks!  8)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 20, 2013, 10:17:26 AM
no they won't because the NT played all 4 courses, and the other pools didn't.  DO I need to walk through all of the divisions for you?
:-)

B-Pool
Blue Valley-64 (which means you shot +18)
Water Works-55 (which means you shot +6-getting better!)
Swope Gold-64 (which you shot +10, Dang, back to double digits)
Water roks-55 (you shot worse here on the final round, extra sleep, extra time, and +7)

So your +41 is correct 238 would have been par for you.

:-)

C-Pool
Blue Valley-64
Swope Gold-64
WaterWorks-55
=183 for par there.  Only 2 people under par, no one at par, Field was pretty good at putting themselves where they should be obviously!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: tallguy007kc on June 20, 2013, 10:21:15 AM
Daaaang.....getting reminded that I still suck.....lol   ;D

Even though I can add, I did have that coming....lol  ::)

Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 20, 2013, 10:23:27 AM
Daaaang.....getting reminded that I still suck.....lol   ;D

Even though I can add, I did have that coming....lol  ::)

I wouldn't be me if I didn't point this out to you of course! 
 ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 20, 2013, 11:05:05 AM
*yawn* Boooooooring! Can we get some bickering going again please? ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: CD on June 21, 2013, 11:14:03 PM
Thanks again to all the staff and untold volunteer hours put in to making this another memorable KCWO!

Three-peat Champ!

1993 Open Pro
2006 Pro Masters
2013 Pro Grand Masters
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 23, 2013, 11:16:50 AM
I have a suggestion for future tournament directors (and league coordinators), and maybe something our Tech team could work on for the entire KCFDC community.  A very useful tool would be a text service that you signup for to receive text message updates. ....

Interesting idea. We use this technology at USM to alert students to snow days and other things. I'll look into this and see if it would be feasible to implement this and allow club members the opportunity to "opt in" to receive alerts. Thanks for the suggestion Eric.

I've always thought a way to do it would be a twitter account, as well. Publish the handle in the players' book and it could be used not only for weather issues but also for second round tee times and whatnot.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: KCVinnie on June 23, 2013, 04:56:35 PM
I remember checking both facebook and twitter during the rain delay to get updates on the round cancellation.  The tech team already made this available to everyone.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: kselrod on June 24, 2013, 01:44:49 PM
I checked with our Athletics Dept. at PSU and they are going to add me to their system to receive severe warning and lightning updates as far distance from the campus.  They use this system for all outside events that pertain to PSU.  All they have to do is add my cell phone number to the system and I'll get the info sent to my phone for free too.  A perk for working at the university!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 24, 2013, 02:51:05 PM
I remember checking both facebook and twitter during the rain delay to get updates on the round cancellation.  The tech team already made this available to everyone.

I have three main points:
1. I wasn't specifically talking about the WO here. I was thinking it might be a nice feature moving forward in all events, even those without poor weather. It would just be nice if you're out somewhere having turned in your card first to be able to check and see when you are supposed to start so you don't get back too early.
2. If I were talking about the WO, it (the Twitter handle) could/should have been in the players' book.
3. It was an awesome event and I hope it continues to get even better.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: ekolk on June 24, 2013, 07:12:46 PM

Everything said in this thread
[/quote]

Please remember everything awesome and bad of this and all of the KCFDC is volunteer.

Rest assured this thread has not gone unnoticed and the KCFDC will consider it all during the debrief.

Bring it kselrod! I've been meaning to recognize your positive contribution all the way from Pburg.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: coops on June 24, 2013, 10:19:34 PM

Everything said in this thread

Please remember everything awesome and bad of this and all of the KCFDC is volunteer.

Rest assured this thread has not gone unnoticed and the KCFDC will consider it all during the debrief.

Bring it kselrod! I've been meaning to recognize your positive contribution all the way from Pburg.
[/quote]

Glad to hear it Eric(k? I can never remember and am too lazy to thread search to find out).

I know that it can appear overly-negative to criticize such a great, well-run event but if we don't do it now we are likely to forget.

Have any more plans been made on the volunteer party/round? I would love to be a part of it but my weekends are filling quickly and, if possible, would make room to help out.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: John Chapman on June 26, 2013, 09:24:17 PM
I will weigh in on the lightning and storm issue, since I am one that made the call at Rosedale and I'm also likely the only one in this conversation that has a B.S. in meteorology.

I can't speak for what went on at other courses, but I will talk about Rosedale. I had been watching the radar on my phone for about an hour prior to the storm rolling in. I knew the storm was coming, but was not sure exactly when to make the call and radar on a small phone doesn't give you a great impression of the speed of movement of individual cells. There was no lightning at Rosedale until I made the call, and torrential rain was coming down within 10 minutes of the call being made. At the time, I actually thought I was making the call 5-10 minutes early, or at least this was what I intended to do. In retrospect, I wish I had been 5-10 minutes earlier. The storm moved in THAT fast. If I had trouble making the call on time, I imagine that other experienced TDs like Kevin likely had similar issues. I imagine Kevin made the call the best he could, but like me, I'm sure he wishes he made it earlier. Still, we always try to make the call in enough time to get players to safety. Loomis, your point is well taken (although perhaps the acrimony could be turned down a notch) and safety is the primary concern, but also know that seeing a bolt of lightning is not necessarily the trigger to halt play. There are a number of factors to take into account, but the distance of the lightning from the course is also important. I normally won't call it unless lightning is within 4-5 miles, or I know there's going to be a dangerous situation soon (which was the case at Rosey this year). We do sometimes play it a little too close because we also get blasted by players for calling it too early. Still, I always wish to err on caution's side, and I know Kevin does as well.

I have previously advocated for purchasing SkyScan lightning detectors. They are the best detectors on the market, IMHO, and many schools and public agencies use these. We thought about purchasing these for Worlds in 2009, but decided not to at the time because PDGA had a set of those that they bought in 2006 (when I was Competition Director), and we had the use of those for 2009 Worlds. We didn't need those in 2009 as the torrential rain of day 1 that year didn't involve lightning, but we had them at our disposal. I'm not sure if Jason Allind had those at his disposal during the Wide Open this year, but it's something they should still be carrying with them in the PDGA travelling trailer. In any case, we run more events than just NTs and Worlds, so I think we should have at least 2 of them, and we can rely on PDGA for those times we are running more than 2 venues simultaneously.

My $.03 (adjusted for inflation)

Chap
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Post by: coops on June 26, 2013, 10:03:57 PM
Thanks for the thoughts, Chappy. I think the idea that I have is that we should use technology as much as possible to remove the decision from the TDs hands. Obviously if it is getting dangerous and there is no indication to call it off they would still have that ability but I think it is important to set a baseline so that if lightning is (insert safe number) away play is halted. That way the TD doesn't have to worry about getting lambasted for calling it too early or too late.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: John Chapman on June 27, 2013, 07:25:06 AM
Thanks for the thoughts, Chappy. I think the idea that I have is that we should use technology as much as possible to remove the decision from the TDs hands. Obviously if it is getting dangerous and there is no indication to call it off they would still have that ability but I think it is important to set a baseline so that if lightning is (insert safe number) away play is halted. That way the TD doesn't have to worry about getting lambasted for calling it too early or too late.

Cooper,
 
   Technology is a nice tool to help TDs make judgment calls, but it doesn't always work. In my case at Rosedale, having a SkyScan probably wouldn't have gotten the players off the course any faster, because of the speed of the storm. Folks have to realize that although we do the best job possible to keep players safe, nature is sometimes just unpredictable.
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Post by: coops on June 27, 2013, 10:26:57 AM
Understood. That is why I think there should be a baseline with skyscan (some expert's opinion of lightning proximity) but still with the option of the TD calling it earlier. I think the current system where it is only on the TD is irresponsible and there should be a baseline but there should also be an expectation that if a cell is moving that quickly the TD can call people off earlier, like you did.

I just think it is easier to scapegoat technology in many cases and it removes that sort of pressured decision-making from the TD and does so in the name of safety. I think we mostly agree on this but just wanted to clarify the distinction that exists in my argument.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: kevinmzane on July 24, 2013, 10:11:45 PM
Are our rounds ever going to be "official" on PDGA?
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on July 25, 2013, 08:24:38 AM
They were turned in about a week after the event.  Unfortunately the accident at Rosedale did do a little havoc on my ability to get things done in a timely fashion.  They were submitted in a timely fashion to the PDGA and I was hopeful that it would have been done in time for the last ratings update.  At this point, it is up to the PDGA as to the "official" stamp, but all the information has been in now for over a month.
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Post by: jamidanger on July 25, 2013, 08:52:08 AM
to the b of d - if I die on a course and I am subsequently unable to renew my annual dues does that mean my stats will be sealed forever in the coffin of the pdga? kinda sucks, as a club we could petition to have all player stats available to anyone, especially potential sponsors, news media, and major sports analysts.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jamidanger on July 29, 2013, 10:49:22 PM
fyi the pdga rounds from may and june are now officially part of your player stats!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Aaron on July 30, 2013, 07:24:40 AM
Saw that. But ratings haven't been changed yet. Figured they would do both at the same time??
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on July 31, 2013, 02:42:05 PM
Wait, what?

Why would the ratings change?

They look to be "official" now though in the system....
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: ian on July 31, 2013, 02:59:10 PM
I got 410 points for 47th in Advanced? Weird.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on July 31, 2013, 03:10:11 PM
I got 410 points for 47th in Advanced? Weird.
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/2013-divisions-ratings-points-factors.pdf (http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/2013-divisions-ratings-points-factors.pdf)

You beat 41 people and at 10 points a piece, that would equal the total.  Different events carry a different level to gain points.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: ian on July 31, 2013, 03:15:04 PM
Ah, I guess I didn't quite understand the points system. Thanks Jack!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on July 31, 2013, 03:20:16 PM
NO worries.  It has changed over the years so it was helpful to me as well.

It used to be 1pt=person you beat, then Cx1, Bx2, Ax3, and Majors didn't count.  So I was curious as well when I looked at my totals and realized that I am already over 1000 points for the year.... I was wondering the same thing.  It does seem odd to me though that they now allow "Majors" to be included in the points.  As not everyone is invited, and I understood the logic before that it gives an adverse advantage to those that play in them since the field is typically larger......but then again many things in the PDGA baffle this person's mind....
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jamidanger on July 31, 2013, 03:26:12 PM
there is a lack of active 'senior grandmasters' in the kcfdc.
 I suggest renaming the division, to 'imperial grandmasters' to bolster activity.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: otter on July 31, 2013, 04:35:13 PM
there is a lack of active 'senior grandmasters' in the kcfdc.
 I suggest renaming the division, to 'imperial grandmasters' to bolster activity.

~LIKE~  8)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: andyportwood on July 31, 2013, 06:43:00 PM
there is a lack of active 'senior grandmasters' in the kcfdc.
 I suggest renaming the division, to 'imperial grandmasters' to bolster activity.

~LIKE~  8)

Only if we can follow you around with a boombox playing the Imperial March as you move down the fairway....  ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: andyportwood on July 31, 2013, 08:04:53 PM
Only if we can follow you around with a boombox playing the Imperial March as you move down the fairway....  ;D

(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee503/pwtool/VaderPutt_zps23c7876c.jpg) (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/pwtool/media/VaderPutt_zps23c7876c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: robm on July 31, 2013, 09:46:58 PM
wow
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on August 01, 2013, 08:02:45 AM
This thing is better than coffee in the morning..... ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: Ken Franks on August 01, 2013, 05:32:15 PM
This thing is better than coffee in the morning..... ;D

 hold your tongue, there's NOTHING better than that...! NOTHING!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: jhinck2 on June 16, 2014, 08:19:39 AM
Hole 4 at BV is still missing an entire chain.

I wanted to point this out that I made this comment on April 18th of last year (2013) and the chain is STILL missing on this hole.  I've let Doug and Dick both know about it, so hoping it is fixed before the tournament.  Nothing like throwing a good upshot on this hole that ends up behind the basket and staring at nothing but the pole; no chain. 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 2013
Post by: dickthediscparker on June 16, 2014, 08:27:29 AM
Hole 4 at BV is still missing an entire chain.

I wanted to point this out that I made this comment on April 18th of last year (2013) and the chain is STILL missing on this hole.  I've let Doug and Dick both know about it, so hoping it is fixed before the tournament.  Nothing like throwing a good upshot on this hole that ends up behind the basket and staring at nothing but the pole; no chain.

Nah, we are just going to remove all the chains around the outside to make it uniform.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jhinck2 on June 16, 2014, 08:29:54 AM
Ha well I am more than happy to fix it if someone gives me a chain - I'd go buy one but don't know the specifications.  I plan to play the course tonight.  If you've got spare chain at the shop I can grab one on lunch and gladly do it. 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: robm on June 16, 2014, 08:58:04 AM
Here you go

(https://dgnomad.com/images/9d0e3143a6768ec32ee405507bb137f5_41vy.png)
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: showmeDoug on June 16, 2014, 09:23:41 AM
It will be fixed before the WO.
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 17, 2014, 01:19:53 PM
I will get Chains off one of my baskets that was destroyed at Cliff for just such an event.  Doug asked me about it yesterday.  I will try to grab the chains out of my yard tonight after league and get them on there tomorrow.  Thanks for bringing it back up. ;D
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jhinck2 on June 17, 2014, 01:23:54 PM
Funny enough, I threw an upshot last night that left me a 45 foot jump putt staring right at the missing chains.  Luckily the basket caught it anyway!  Nonetheless, we should probably get it fixed if at all possible.  Thanks Jack!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jack on June 17, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
Thank Doug.  He is the one pushing me on it.  SO thanks to yourself as well!
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jhinck2 on June 17, 2014, 01:46:11 PM
Doug is doing a GREAT job out there.  As an FYI, the course was being mowed yesterday and was looking AWESOME.  I presume they'll finish the rest up yet today. 
Title: Re: Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com
Post by: jhinck2 on June 18, 2014, 08:32:19 AM
I will get Chains off one of my baskets that was destroyed at Cliff for just such an event.  Doug asked me about it yesterday.  I will try to grab the chains out of my yard tonight after league and get them on there tomorrow.  Thanks for bringing it back up. ;D

Bump status.   ;D