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KCFDC Courses => Water Works => Topic started by: Hanthrolo on February 07, 2013, 06:48:07 AM

Title: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: Hanthrolo on February 07, 2013, 06:48:07 AM
Heard some guys talkin yesterday about KCMO cops sitting in unmarked vehicles calling people out for drinking in the park.  Just a heads up.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: Jake B on February 07, 2013, 09:26:22 AM
Where does it say it's not permitted?
I've looked at everything on KCP&R's page and didn't find a thing about alcohol.
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Post by: dickthediscparker on February 07, 2013, 09:32:40 AM
I was thinking the same thing. We as a club had a contract at one time that allowed us to sell beer at places like Water Works as long as we gave a portion of the profit to the city. I'm perplexed by this. Maybe they are looking for underage drinkers.
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Post by: Ken Franks on February 07, 2013, 09:52:32 AM
or reefer addicts....
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Post by: Mike Hyzer on February 07, 2013, 09:53:47 AM
I tried to tell everyone that cops were dicks, but no one wanted to believe me. Watch out for the ones on horseback, especially.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: jack on February 14, 2013, 03:39:03 PM
Alcohol is NOT allowed in any of the KCMO parks.  THere are signs in some that indicate the ordinance that has that.  I will see what I can get.

We had a contract that allowed us to sell alcohol at our events that are club ran.  The current contract does NOT allow that, we would be required to get approval on that.

Not all cops are bad.....not all disc golfers are bad.....there are exceptions to every rule.

Suffice it to say, be safe when in a public park with your libations.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: Mike Hyzer on February 14, 2013, 04:39:22 PM
Not all cops are bad...

Not all people who happen to be cops are bad, but all cops are bad. Maybe not all bad all the time, but they're all bad as in potential threats to our liberty and freedoms. And that's a fact, Jack! 8)
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Post by: Aaron on February 14, 2013, 05:41:56 PM
Wouldn't that statement make every human bad. Every person could potentially threaten your liberties and freedom?
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Post by: Ken Franks on February 14, 2013, 06:24:29 PM
I think what he's saying is, Some people stand to profit from seeking out taking other peoples liberties away, actually get paid to do it....

 just a hunch
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: Mike Hyzer on February 14, 2013, 06:41:25 PM
I think what he's saying is, Some people stand to profit from seeking out taking other peoples liberties away, actually get paid to do it....

 just a hunch

Correct. Not only do they get paid to circumvent your freedoms, it is a condition of their employment.

To address Aaron's question, the difference is when an average citizen threatens your rights, you actually have recourse against them. If I stop you on the street when you're minding your own business, for example, you can tell me to F off and be on your way. Same can't be said when it comes to cops.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: robm on February 14, 2013, 07:14:07 PM
I personally like it when other's people freedom to harm me are taken away.

I especially like it though when those that can't say F off and be on their way are protected by having someone else's freedom taken away.

Such as, taking away:
...other peoples freedom to harm their spouses,
...or their freedom to harm their own children,
...or their freedom to use people against their will that are stuck in human trafficking,
...or their freedom to harm public property that my taxes paid for,
...or their freedom to yell stupid stuff in a public room,
...or their freedom to blow up public buildings,
...or their freedom carry 3" blades on airplanes,
...or their freedom use my social security number and Visa numbers to acquire what they desire without my permission,
...or their freedom to view naked underage boys and girls,
...or their freedom to drive 40 MPH in a residential neighborhood that has a lot of children riding bicycles on a spring day



I could go on forever, shall I continue?

I'm not a cop lover.  In fact when I was 20 I was pulled over, walked the line and patted down because I flipped off a cop while by girlfriend (now wife) was driving so I wouldn't drive my own car drunk (true story).  However, I have respect for police officers.  Maybe you should too.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: Aaron on February 14, 2013, 07:20:04 PM
I agree with Ken and Mikes statements, but there is way too much grey area for any of us to be right.
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Post by: Mike Hyzer on February 14, 2013, 08:51:20 PM
I personally like it when other's people freedom to harm me are taken away.

I especially like it though when those that can't say F off and be on their way are protected by having someone else's freedom taken away.

Such as, taking away:
...other peoples freedom to harm their spouses,
...or their freedom to harm their own children,
...or their freedom to use people against their will that are stuck in human trafficking,
...or their freedom to harm public property that my taxes paid for,
...or their freedom to yell stupid stuff in a public room,
...or their freedom to blow up public buildings,
...or their freedom carry 3" blades on airplanes,
...or their freedom use my social security number and Visa numbers to acquire what they desire without my permission,
...or their freedom to view naked underage boys and girls,
...or their freedom to drive 40 MPH in a residential neighborhood that has a lot of children riding bicycles on a spring day



I could go on forever, shall I continue?

I'm not a cop lover.  In fact when I was 20 I was pulled over, walked the line and patted down because I flipped off a cop while by girlfriend (now wife) was driving so I wouldn't drive my own car drunk (true story).  However, I have respect for police officers.  Maybe you should too.

You're one of those obedient subjects who'd give up your rights in exchange for perceived "safety" in a heartbeat, aren't ya? You view the police as being in charge of us, rather than the civil servants they're supposed to be, right? You enjoy the taste of jackboot polish so much that you spread it on your toast every morning, eh? Okay, I'm only kidding with that last one. ;D

I actually agree with most everything on your little list there, and I do have the utmost respect for cops. But just because you respect certain people doesn't mean you have to like them, trust them, or kiss their asses. ;)
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: spnachio on February 15, 2013, 03:25:01 AM
I love it. We go from some guy who "heard some guys" talkin about cops in unmarked cars to f*ck tha police. Nice. If you're not breaking any laws then no worries. If you feel the cops have violated yours rights, then go to city hall and file a complaint. Maybe even encourage others to do so as well.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: hberciunas on February 15, 2013, 07:50:16 AM
Damn. I thought disc golf would be one place that politics wouldn't invade . . . I'll keep out of it thanks. Just don't be arses about it, or how we speak to each other.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: phisherman_77 on February 15, 2013, 10:25:33 AM
Cop threads and Keizer, they go together like lamb and tuna fish.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: BenC on February 15, 2013, 02:03:35 PM
The police are out there in plain vehicles looking for open containers, off leash dogs, drugs, and making sure that general population knows it is mainly a disc golf park.   They are not running people off, just letting them know they are having a picnic close to a fairway and it might be best to move.  The only problems you will have are the ones you create.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: ekolk on February 15, 2013, 02:36:17 PM
The police are out there in plain vehicles looking for open containers, off leash dogs, drugs, and making sure that general population knows it is mainly a disc golf park.   They are not running people off, just letting them know they are having a picnic close to a fairway and it might be best to move.  The only problems you will have are the ones you create.

Agreed, Ben. For the most part,KCMO PD views disc golfers as a positive force in the parks. Just go talk to them. And yes, there are bad and good people everywhere.

For those who might be a bit new to the club and this discussion forum, Mike Kei -Hyzer is just waiting for you to say something. You are just adding fuel to the fire. Having said that, he is a stand up guy and will go out of his way to help you and the club. So, just as we can't hate on Neckbeard, the same goes for Mike. :)
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: Mike Hyzer on February 15, 2013, 06:00:15 PM
I love it. We go from some guy who "heard some guys" talkin about cops in unmarked cars to f*ck tha police. Nice. If you're not breaking any laws then no worries. If you feel the cops have violated yours rights, then go to city hall and file a complaint. Maybe even encourage others to do so as well.

Ah, the old "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" line of thinking. I'm sorry, but statements such as that, along with Ben's "...only problems are the ones you create" statement are misguided at best. That is burying your head in the sand and throwing caution to the wind in favor of a "It'll never happen to me" approach. There is a plethora (I love that word) of videos on Youtube showing all kinds of people who haven't done anything wrong being harassed by arses with badges. So you guys are full of sh!t.

Listen to E, y'all. He knows what he's talking about. You pro-government types are everywhere and I'm familiar with every tone of your collective BAAAAAAHHHs. I will destroy a statist's argument like BP destroys Little Debbie every single time. Good night, now! ;D
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: phisherman_77 on February 15, 2013, 08:57:00 PM
I will destroy a statist's argument like BP destroys Little Debbie every single time. Good night, now! ;D

Uhhh, I've lost like 50 pounds since you saw me the last time dude....
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Post by: dickthediscparker on February 15, 2013, 09:13:08 PM
No wonder Hostess went bankrupt.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: phisherman_77 on February 15, 2013, 09:30:10 PM
No wonder Hostess went bankrupt.

Heyooooooooooooooooooooooooo...............
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: Mike Hyzer on February 15, 2013, 09:37:28 PM
I will destroy a statist's argument like BP destroys Little Debbie every single time. Good night, now! ;D

Uhhh, I've lost like 50 pounds since you saw me the last time dude....

Okay, change it to microbrew beers, then. And congrats on the weightloss! ;D
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: phisherman_77 on February 15, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
I will destroy a statist's argument like BP destroys Little Debbie every single time. Good night, now! ;D

Uhhh, I've lost like 50 pounds since you saw me the last time dude....

Okay, change it to microbrew beers, then. And congrats on the weightloss! ;D

Now you're talking...let's play a round sometime.
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: hberciunas on February 16, 2013, 06:51:19 AM
Sadly, we must admit that Mike Hyzer might be right, at least partly.

Yesterday during Friday Traveling League, Joe? was playing casual with his two dogs on leashes. Sure enough, a badged jerk snuck out from behind the tree line to give him a ticket. (he dropped the leashes while he was throwing his discs).

As the cop was writting the ticket the two dogs, sat quietly by Joe's side. The cop was nice? enough to give Joe only one $70 ticket instead of one for each dog.

Granted this was at Shawnee Mission Gustapo Park, not at WW. I still have hope that in other places that Jo. Co. the cops are somewhat reasonable.
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Post by: discglover on February 16, 2013, 08:55:36 AM
What was the ticket for if both dogs were on a leash?
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Post by: kidmills on February 16, 2013, 10:14:14 AM
so i guess the "one time"you let go of the leash the cop is there to give you a ticket................please,and i supose you pick up his droppings  too
Title: Re: UNDERCOVER WATER WORKS
Post by: Loomis on February 16, 2013, 10:59:46 AM
Remember, the cop is the superfluous in the legal machine. No matter where you get your ticket; albeit in a park, your car, your home, or on the street, just take the ticket and keep your mouth shut. You win and lose your legal battles in court, not with a cop. 95 percent of the time, if you play your cards right, you can get out of every ticket and citation given to you. There is a myriad of ways to beat the legal system if you have the patience to do so. Cops aren't your problem, they're just like bad acne - it's ugly, annoying and it goes away. Take your fight to the court.

If you need help fighting, there are several people in the disc golf community who can show you how to interpret laws and ordiances to develop a legal defense against trivial charges.