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Title: stolen basket
Post by: Tom on April 30, 2013, 08:02:16 AM
The practice basket at Lakeside Hills has been stolen. There is a $500 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the low life piece of sh1t that took it. It looks like the theft would be considered a class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in the county jail.

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Post by: gleauzzzinier on April 30, 2013, 12:02:55 PM
gotta pic?
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Post by: The Bird Father on April 30, 2013, 12:21:06 PM
Here
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Post by: Loomis on April 30, 2013, 01:00:56 PM
Before theories about evil Dwarves stealing baskets in the middle of the night start popping up;

How many known private courses are in the area? Any length, even if it's just one or two baskets?

Are these baskets made from metal that would be easy to sell for scrap?



Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: jack on April 30, 2013, 01:12:50 PM
Not much but if you were hard up and could do it, scrap is about $15-$20/dollars on a great place, normally ~$10 though is what I was told when I asked this a few years back.  It doesn't matter if it is galvanized or not for scrap....just plain metal scrapping
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Loomis on April 30, 2013, 01:18:40 PM
So we can assume that the person who stole it didn't do it for scrap.

Now how many little personal/private courses are we all aware of in the area? I know there is a course in Argentine/KCK that might be worth checking out.

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Post by: The Bird Father on April 30, 2013, 02:28:01 PM
I have been watching craigslist also.

Hopefully the police will notify the scrap yards....but like Jack said....that is a bunch of work and risk for $15.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Utz on April 30, 2013, 02:34:24 PM
Hopefully the police will notify the scrap yards

Hey Man, are you gunna like, find these guys? You know, I mean, you uhh, got any promising leads??

http://youtu.be/-9CynvMlFyo (http://youtu.be/-9CynvMlFyo)
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Mike Hyzer on May 01, 2013, 06:52:44 AM
Please let know the place that pays $15 for the amount of steel a disc golf basket is made from.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: jack on May 01, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
closer to $8-$10, but the last time that I talked with someone about Mike I talked with a scrap place off like 14th and VanBrunt.
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Post by: ian on May 02, 2013, 09:03:35 AM
Someone just posted this on another forum. Taken at Pleasant Hill   :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/187xHEF.jpg)
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Aaron on May 02, 2013, 09:14:06 AM
At this rate we just need to be on the look out for a new 18 hole course in town.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: jack on May 02, 2013, 09:36:52 AM
so how was this one removed, was it a lock picking again?  If so, there is cause for concern amongst all the courses.  The basket at Cliff stolen last year didn't leave any remnants of the lock.....but if we count that in the last 12 months I can think of 4 baskets taken from the area.

The thing is that you need to have space, and disc golfers tend to find each other.  If you went to a place that was "private" for a course that had 18 different types of baskets from someone that you had never seen play, what would you think?

If it was someone that was good that we saw win baskets, maybe....but the reality is that unless this person (if the same) is planning a course to be kept to themselves or a few other friends, they will be caught.

If it is simply an action of people getting a basket for their own pleasure, that is a whole other story.....
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Post by: Aaron on May 02, 2013, 09:41:28 AM
I just spoke with Narin, that placement didn't have a permanent basket. It was not taken.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: jack on May 02, 2013, 09:47:02 AM
Let's get a rope..... ;D

For Aaron!
 :D ;) :)

Thanks for clearing that one up!
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: ian on May 02, 2013, 10:21:16 AM
Well that's good to hear!
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: The Nailer™ on May 02, 2013, 03:28:11 PM
The things that I find interesting about this matter is the newness of the course and the suspected means by which it was removed from its location.  The location itself is fairly obvious and with all of the precipitation was there any indication of a disturbed area, footprints, digging, etc.?  Then the recent blacklisting of the website with Google also sparks some curiosity.

Something about the speculation around that lock being picked just does not add up to me. 
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Mike Hyzer on May 02, 2013, 04:22:50 PM
The things that I find interesting about this matter is the newness of the course and the suspected means by which it was removed from its location.  The location itself is fairly obvious and with all of the precipitation was there any indication of a disturbed area, footprints, digging, etc.?  Then the recent blacklisting of the website with Google also sparks some curiosity.

Something about the speculation around that lock being picked just does not add up to me.

Thinking the Google blacklisting connection might be a bit of a stretch, but I'm with ya on the lock picking thing. I think someone either F'ed up and didn't close the lock properly, or it's an inside job like 9/11 only less serious.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: The Nailer™ on May 02, 2013, 04:40:57 PM
The things that I find interesting about this matter is the newness of the course and the suspected means by which it was removed from its location.  The location itself is fairly obvious and with all of the precipitation was there any indication of a disturbed area, footprints, digging, etc.?  Then the recent blacklisting of the website with Google also sparks some curiosity.

Something about the speculation around that lock being picked just does not add up to me.

Thinking the Google blacklisting connection might be a bit of a stretch, but I'm with ya on the lock picking thing. I think someone either F'ed up and didn't close the lock properly, or it's an inside job like 9/11 only less serious.

I would like to know if that course pissed anyone off?  OR if anyone has gotten pissed off at that course OR those who put it together.  NEXT, I would like to know about the city.  Is someone burned up because they are going to have to mow that?  Fired up because it went through and became a reality?  These are not accusations, just questions.  I doubt from what I am hearing that some random tweeker cruising by saw an op to make a few bucks to score some dope.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on May 02, 2013, 05:59:06 PM
Every basket I've ever seen stolen had a damaged lock laying nearby. #16 at Clover Dell in Sedalia had a padlock that had been cut with bolt cutters and the lock had been left laying nearby. #11 at WyCo, same story, padlock in two pieces left by the empty pin. #4 at WyCo (twice) once there was a lock that had been hit with a hammer to pop it open and the next time a lock that had been cut with a hacksaw. This one shows no evidence of being cut so either someone had a key or possibly they hit it just right with a hammer depending on what type of lock it is. I'm no locksmith but I don't think it's very easy to pick a high quality padlock.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Tom on May 02, 2013, 06:41:18 PM
I set the practice basket myself. I double checked it that day, and then the next day when I arrived and putted on it, I also checked the lock. It was definitely locked.

I don't know from personal experience, but a friend of ours said he had learned how to pick locks and with the correct tool it isn't difficult.

I also haven't tried it to see if it will unlock since the basket went missing, but if it was popped open with a hammer strike, it may not function properly.

It is possible someone with a key unlocked it and took it. That particular lock is different from the other 18 out there, and only the City and I have a key to it.

I don't think it was an "inside job". I don't think anyone is pissed about the course going in, nor pissed at us for installing it. We have had three baskets stolen in Olathe since 1989. I think someone just wanted one at their house or farm and figure the City's insurance will cover it and aren't afraid of being caught.

It just sucks for us that play out there, because now we don't have a place to practice putting and warm up near where we park.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Bitter79 on May 02, 2013, 08:35:36 PM
Well if anger was anyone's guess, i'd check the lake to see if someone tossed it in... I assume it was stolen with a pickup and bolt cutters, they just happened to either toss or keep the lock. There is a master set of keys for all masterlock padlocks, but I would think that would have taken too much time to find the right key. Oh well, hope they get caught and arrested whomever they are.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: spnachio on May 02, 2013, 09:08:12 PM
I would go to play it again and get a list of all people who have sold anything disc golf. I'm sure the same jerkoffs who sold all the discs out of the pond would jack a basket and sell it.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: jack on May 03, 2013, 08:16:03 AM
I have in the past received calls from people about baskets in the yard, in fact one of the Olathe baskets was recovered that way.  I went to the house with the police in hand, no one answered, took the basket, and called it a day.  I am uncertain what transpired afterwards, the police were going to follow up with the people at the house.

So if you do see a basket in a yard that "doesn't seem right" (ignore my yard with 4 baskets in it) or is all of sudden "new" call someone on the board to have them investigate it.  People do buy baskets as well out there that aren't stolen, but our baskets for the most part are pretty easy to identify in town, so asking us to investigate is better than trying to take matters into your own hands.
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Post by: pmart on May 03, 2013, 03:04:40 PM
I know (per Tom) that these particular baskets are the only set in town like them, so it will be easier to identify it if found, however this has me thinking.  Is there a way for each course to engrave some sort of serial number (or marking) in an inconspicuous place on the basket (could be anywhere like a certain piece of metal on the underside of the basket, or a place on the pole etc.) so that there is a definite way of identifying baskets that may have been stolen?  Engravers are not that expensive and if the city and course director are the only one's who know where the engraving is, this may be a very easy way to check any suspicious baskets in the city.  I know this will not stop people from stealing baskets but if they do not know that these baskets have been specifically 'marked' this makes it easier to reclaim what is ours if they are found.  On a side note, I hope there is a stiffer punishment for stealing city property and that the douche bag who stole it is made an example out of.  Not prison or anything like that, but maybe every single member of the club gets to line up and give him a shot to the nuts with their steel-toed Kodiak work boots!!   
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: slimneal on May 03, 2013, 04:47:53 PM
Luckily, we have no baskets stolen at Swope.
Sometimes the locals will use them as  BBQ grills.
After 32 years we get a little respect.
So regarding any disc thrown in a lake.
Don't throw it in there.  It is the Indian, not the arrow. It is fair game after that.
Name calling is not warranted for the poor schmuck that would go in there to get it.

2 cents slim
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: spnachio on May 03, 2013, 04:56:30 PM
My point is that the guys who were pulling them out did not play disc golf but did know that discs were worth money. One guy even told me thay you can get more money if they said "ace" or had a lot of signatures on it. Maybe I'm reaching but I would think the same logic could lead someone to take a basket. Either way if you find a disc and don't call the number then I cosider you a jerkoff.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: slimneal on May 03, 2013, 07:41:37 PM
wow
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: ekolk on May 03, 2013, 08:50:55 PM
Please don't encourage him.

BTW
El viento es mi amigo.

Masculine and feminine articles must agree in Spanish. "Accuracy matters," said the native who lost his arrow.
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Bitter79 on May 03, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
ok two Items then im done.

1: how about contacting the local scrap yards and faxing over or emailing a picture, give them a $100 reward for their purchase of it and notification to police.

2: how about a tracking device inside/incorperated into the basket. Yes i imagine that it would be expensive for ALL the baskets, but lets be honest... it is usually a certain basket that is easy to steal like the Practice Basket on Lakeside. So 1 device on 1 basket on each course that is prone to theft. If the battery lasts 2 years on a new basket, I think by the time that expired, the basket has reached a good age of maturity anyway. If it is stolen just reup the contract and put a new tracker on it until we know the location isnt a high theft area. Hard to have nice things but good to protect them. (or do what we did at my golf course and have the police install a motion sensor camera next to the road so that if someone walks up it starts recording, pretty handy at catching vandals as well as theives).
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: The Nailer™ on May 03, 2013, 09:57:50 PM
ok two Items then im done.

1: how about contacting the local scrap yards and faxing over or emailing a picture, give them a $100 reward for their purchase of it and notification to police.

2: how about a tracking device inside/incorperated into the basket. Yes i imagine that it would be expensive for ALL the baskets, but lets be honest... it is usually a certain basket that is easy to steal like the Practice Basket on Lakeside. So 1 device on 1 basket on each course that is prone to theft. If the battery lasts 2 years on a new basket, I think by the time that expired, the basket has reached a good age of maturity anyway. If it is stolen just reup the contract and put a new tracker on it until we know the location isnt a high theft area. Hard to have nice things but good to protect them. (or do what we did at my golf course and have the police install a motion sensor camera next to the road so that if someone walks up it starts recording, pretty handy at catching vandals as well as theives).

2a: This could be tied into GPS for all courses so I would know exactly when to throw my TeeeBird or my Putttter.

Next question.  Do all of the baskets have a lock on them at Lakeside?
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Tom on May 04, 2013, 08:38:59 AM
All baskets at Lakeside Hills and at Prairie Center have locks. Although the lock at Lakeside Hills are pretty heavy duty, all locks really do is keep honest people honest. They really are not much of a deterrent to an individual(s) that is determined to steal.  :(

I would propose that when the thieves are caught, their names are made known to the KCFDC membership, and they are banned from any KCFDC league or event for life. I believe the PDGA disciplinary folks could be persuaded to also ban them from participating in any PDGA events for a period of time as well. I doubt the low- lifes that stole our basket(s) care about any of this, but maybe?
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Mike Hyzer on May 04, 2013, 10:48:39 AM
I would propose that when the thieves are caught, their names are made known to the KCFDC membership, and they are banned from any KCFDC league or event for life. I believe the PDGA disciplinary folks could be persuaded to also ban them from participating in any PDGA events for a period of time as well. I doubt the low- lifes that stole our basket(s) care about any of this, but maybe?

Definitely this.
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Post by: The Nailer™ on May 04, 2013, 10:52:22 AM
I agree.
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Post by: robm on May 04, 2013, 11:37:27 AM
Whoa - I agree with Hyzer on something. 
This is a beginning Mike....
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: Utz on May 04, 2013, 01:28:39 PM
how about a tracking device inside/incorperated into the basket.

1. Invent it
2. Pitch it
3. ???
4. Profit
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: discglover on May 04, 2013, 07:39:07 PM
An inconspicuous spot under where a part must be taken off from the basket to find a serial number
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: jack on May 06, 2013, 08:45:10 AM
We do engrave all the KCMO baskets I will not share where it is, but suffice it to say, it is simple enough to do prior to installation of the baskets.  We started doing this I think in 2004 or so with Cliff Drive.
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Post by: robertalan on May 09, 2013, 01:27:01 PM
First, I agree with the tracking device of some kind installed.  Second, it's theft.  I don't know the laws , but above a certain dollar amount stolen is a felony.  People who are found guilty should have at least a misdemeanor on their record if not a felony.  Third, I agree with banishment for life from KCFDC, and that includes all leagues and tournaments. 
People are putting tracking devices in their pets thru operations.  A few at each course would deter theft.  A sign stating that fact at hole #1 would deter theft:  "All baskets contain GPS tracking devices AND engraved serial numbers.  Anybody caught stealing any basket will have a felony (or misdemeanor) on their record.  The thief will also be banned from participation for life from any KCFDC event.  Please leave the equipment alone.  It is for everybody's use."
Title: Re: stolen basket
Post by: kcfrisbee on May 09, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
All baskets at Lakeside Hills and at Prairie Center have locks. Although the lock at Lakeside Hills are pretty heavy duty, all locks really do is keep honest people honest. They really are not much of a deterrent to an individual(s) that is determined to steal.  :(

I would propose that when the thieves are caught, their names are made known to the KCFDC membership, and they are banned from any KCFDC league or event for life. I believe the PDGA disciplinary folks could be persuaded to also ban them from participating in any PDGA events for a period of time as well. I doubt the low- lifes that stole our basket(s) care about any of this, but maybe?

Whoever it was will get busted, they always do and generally after that they are blackballed from the sport with or without the KCFDC getting involved.  I love that about DG!