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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #105 on: May 18, 2014, 08:08:17 pm »
For the record?  Oh, good. There is a record somewhere. Could someone post the record so we know who decided what and when?   It doesn't make sense that we would not include the ladies who have been an integral part of the team since day one. Seems like west side shenanigans!

The record was already clearly posted on page 5 of this thread, and there were no concerns posted about it at the time.  There wasn't anything underhanded going on here.  It will be challenging at this point to change the format, especially if there have already been 16 male qualifiers or captains choices that have been selected for each team.

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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #106 on: May 18, 2014, 09:10:06 pm »
The allegiance amendment proposal has been dropped. You must live on the side you play for.

This is a fundraising event with each participants $10 donation going towards course tree planting projects.

Each team will field 16-20 players.  It is an Open, or if that term is somehow confusing, an unrestricted, event now.  There are no classification requirements or restrictions. Everyone keeps saying "keep it simple."  This is as simple as it gets and was decided upon months ago.

There are but a handful of competitive women disc golfers in the area.  Forcing women representation on each team at 10-12.5% of the team is terribly disproportionate to the actual population of competitive players in the KC area.  I hope someday, the women's competitive disc golf population becomes as vibrant as the men's is.  When that happens, perhaps a women's Team Challenge can be organized. I do truly hope so because the women disc golfers around here are all amazing people.

Now for the real account of what happened:
As I posted months ago in this thread, it was all along my plan to eventually make this event player unrestricted, including not having a women requirement.  I felt that this year was as good as any to make that change. I first spoke with Dick about the change. He initially said he wanted to keep the women specifically. After some convincing on the phone, I got him to agree with whatever East side would agree to.  I think he figured East side would not agree to a pure unrestricted format.  I then communicated with Jose that I wanted to change the event to an all open format.  And he agreed to it. I specifically stated that this also meant no women required. Jose was ok with that; agreeing with me that it was right to have the best on each side playing, not restricted by classification.. I was actually quite surprised, but also glad he approved the change to unrestricted play, because that is what I envisioned all along. Jose, you had the opportunity to disapprove of this then, but did not. To support the fact that what I just stated is what was agreed upon, consider the following: We proceeded with qualifiers, this year, without a requirement for women because that was the change that was enacted.  Otherwise, I would have made sure the captains had at least one woman make each team via qualifier as we had done in the past.

The change to an unrestricted format for the Team Challenge was finalized months ago. Qualifiers were held in accordance with the agreed upon change.  That's it. That simple. That said, either team may carry anyone they want to fill their roster.  There are no longer any classification requirements for the KCFDC Team Challenge. If a side wants to bring more or less masters than the other side, they are welcome to. If a side wants to bring more or less women than the other side, they are welcome to, same for juniors, legends, toddlers.  whatever, it's UNRESTRICTED.  Go Team Challenge!
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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #107 on: May 18, 2014, 09:17:42 pm »
This years Captains have agreed that the Team Challenge should be class unrestricted. What does that mean?  There will be no age protected slots on the teams. There will be no gender protected slots on the team. Earn your spot on a team via qualifier or convince your captain that you're skilled enough to garner a hand picked spot.

This is the record on page 5. 

I voted for no age protected slots.  This is my response to the vote:

Hi Tracy,

I'm sorry for the delay in response.  I am not feeling very well today and wanted to write a better response than what this will be, but I want to do this now and not later.

2.  Team selection will be the same as Dick mentioned he'd do for the West.  My first 5 qualifiers will be the top five scores during the Kan-U-Wyco.  Then I will use leagues to fill the squad, reserving my Captain's pick for special cases. 

3.  I am for non-divisional play.  All open.

Again, I'm so sorry to be late and short in this response.  It bothers me that it reads this way :)

I hope your shoulder is feeling much better!

Take care.

Jose Ossa


My error lies in not having accounted for the "women's division" when considering non-divisional play.  My decision was purely based on age and skill level.  Not gender.

Tracy, again, if you made it clear that women were not to be included in the format then I consider it a grievous oversight on my part and for that I apologize. 

Tavish Carduff and Amanda Jackson will be competing for the East and we are proud to have them on our roster!
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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #108 on: May 18, 2014, 09:38:14 pm »
For the record, from a personal message I sent to both Dick and Jose in early March, here is the exact question to Jose's answer:

3) Do you want to discuss any major changes to the format?  The event is still young and finding its way.  I would like to suggest dropping the class restrictions; that is, all player spots are Open, no Masters age or Women required (though you can carry them if you wish).  I suggest this because, a) we have plenty of very good masters age players that will make each team by default.  b) the women's interest in this event has been sadly low.


3.  I am for non-divisional play.  All open.


I don't see any thing in my question that made it unclear about my intention to remove the women's division requirement.
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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #109 on: May 18, 2014, 10:02:48 pm »
We wish to carry them. 

I made a terrible mistake.  I made my bed and I will now lay in it. 

Our awesome women will continue to play for the East on my watch.
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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #110 on: May 19, 2014, 09:23:38 am »
Do we have any women that would like to play for the West Side???

I'm taking applications....because I don't want the East Side to have any more excuses than they would normally.

I know Mina will be in Japan, along with all of our Masters. 
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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #111 on: May 19, 2014, 10:13:30 am »
What about Angie Biondo?  I haven't seen her around much, since LDO.   

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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #112 on: May 19, 2014, 03:27:11 pm »
Jon knows a girl who might be willing/able to play. She's fairly new but she still might be in.

I'll ask him.

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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #113 on: May 19, 2014, 05:53:27 pm »
just get the 15 best people from each side and get it on,ya'll over think things some times

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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #114 on: May 19, 2014, 07:06:13 pm »
just get the 15 best people from each side and get it on,ya'll over think things some times

That is what Tracy is trying to do.
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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #115 on: May 19, 2014, 07:41:15 pm »
just get the 15 best people from each side and get it on,ya'll over think things some times

That is what Tracy is trying to do.

I agree.  If there's more interest from the women's side in the future, maybe the issue can be revisited at that time.  If one or both captains have to recruit in order to fill women's spots, why have them when there are plenty of other people who would like to play without any wrangling.  This just seems like an unnecessary strain on the captains. 
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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #116 on: May 19, 2014, 09:21:27 pm »
just get the 15 best people from each side and get it on,ya'll over think things some times

That is what Tracy is trying to do.

I agree.  If there's more interest from the women's side in the future, maybe the issue can be revisited at that time.  If one or both captains have to recruit in order to fill women's spots, why are they there when there are plenty of other people who would like to play without any wrangling.  This just seems like an unnecessary strain on the captains. 

Hear hear!!!!

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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #117 on: May 20, 2014, 08:00:11 am »
West Siders!

This is our Roster if things move forward as planned(and the East Side quits changing times on their BV round):

1. Dick Parker
2. Joe Hesting
3. Arturo Villareal
4. Beckett Carduff
5. Steve Thimmesch
6. Nick Altieri
7. Jon Thomas
8. Peter Bures
9. Kevin Zane
10. Frank Weaver
11. Lee Killian
12. Mark Albers
13. Bryan Guthrie
14. Justin Atwater-Taylor - Captains Pick
15. Bobby Villareal - Captains Pick
16. Tom Butler - Captains Pick

Alternates:
Mike Davis
Jeff Campbell
Nick Winklebauer


2 1/2 weeks away from a Repeat!!!!!!!!!!!!


« Last Edit: June 05, 2014, 02:42:24 pm by white mccoy »
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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #118 on: May 23, 2014, 01:17:28 pm »
is there a cost besides the shirt to play in this event?
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Re: 2014 Team Challenge
« Reply #119 on: May 28, 2014, 10:30:43 am »
Lakeside Layout for Sunday June 8th

1 - Long
2 - Only
3 - Only
4 - Short
5 - Only
6 - Only
7 - Only
8 - Only
9 - Only
10 - Short
11 - Long right
12 - Long
13 - Only
14 - Only
15 - Only
16 - Only
17 - Only
18 - There will be a longer Temp basket for a great finishing "match-point decider" hole.

Please, Spread the word to all players playing that everybody needs to be at Blue Valley by 9:30am Saturday the 7th, and at Lakeside by 9:30am Sunday the 8th.

West side team again is:

West Siders!

This is our Roster if things move forward as planned(and the East Side quits changing times on their BV round):

1. Dick Parker
2. Joe Hesting
3. Arturo Villareal
4. Beckett Carduff
5. Steve Thimmesch
6. Nick Altieri
7. Jon Thomas
8. Peter Bures
9. Kevin Zane
10. Frank Weaver
11. Lee Killian
12. Mark Albers
13. Bryan Guthrie
14. Justin Atwater-Taylor - Captains Pick
15. Bobby Villareal - Captains Pick
16. Tom Butler - Captains Pick

Alternates:
Mike Davis
Jeff Campbell
Nick Winklebauer


2 1/2 weeks away from a Repeat!!!!!!!!!!!!




Can we get an Official East side roster, Ossa????
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