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SWOPE Changes DISCussion
« on: June 16, 2016, 08:14:24 AM »
http://kcfdc.org/changes-to-swope-over-the-coming-years/

If you haven't had a chance please read the announcement. Let's try to keep conversation polite and proactive. I know that's not always possible and that changes such as these can illicit strong emotions at times.

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Re: SWOPE Changes DISCussion
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2016, 08:57:29 AM »
Thanks for the thoughtful and informative read Nate. Well done!

I for one choose to see this as a positive all the way around. I foresee the core of the course, clubhouse and closely surrounding holes, remaining. With that will be new holes or even an additional course elsewhere in the park. Only time will tell at this point.

And while we're quoting brilliant minds of the past this one comes to mind: "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river, and he's not the same man." Heraclitus
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2016, 09:13:58 AM »
i think great opportunities will arise form this scenario
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Re: SWOPE Changes DISCussion
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2016, 09:38:17 AM »
There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction. -Winston Churchill

Awesome news. VERY AWESOME NEWS INDEED for our furry friends.

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2016, 10:32:37 AM »
I am going to trust the powers that be that this works out for the dis. Golf community.

I don't mind change, every time a course coordinator turns over they are going to try and change things to be how they want them.

I am going to call shenanigans on how this came down to us, the memebers, not in a direct voice opinion. We vote for our BoD so it's akin to a voice, but I was at the mast election and understand it's like pulling teeth to fill the board. This kind of situation warrants transparency and we were left in the dark until after a meeting was had that sounds like it sealed the deal. It's my understanding one man with a lot of money and an agenda (even as altruistic as it is),  found a place he liked and took it. It told us our sweat equity has no value in the face of real dollars. I would have liked to see it at least thrown out to us so we could decide if we wanted to voice our opinions to the powers. Even in the face of rogue members that may have barked loudly, at people who could make things harder for us,  and against the collective will of the club. Transparency is the hard thing, but it's also the right thing. If some public official asks for quiet, I think that's when you get the loudest.

Part of why we have a club is to use the weight of many members to get things done.

I suspect that it will work out great. Excellent people with valuable contacts are at the forefront.

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2016, 11:23:55 AM »
I'm sure something will be figured out that will leave us room to play.  Swope park is BIG.  Now I'm imagining a more wooded course over in the hillier part of the park, near the summer camp or the mountain bike trails.  But that's just me.   8)

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2016, 01:02:17 PM »
At the end of the day the KCFDC does not own the park and as such, the city can do what they want with the park.  I'm just glad they're letting us keep the course in the ground and have worked with the club to find a way to incorporate both.  Same applies at WaterWorks.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2016, 01:24:19 PM »
At the end of the day the KCFDC does not own the park and as such, the city can do what they want with the park.  I'm just glad they're letting us keep the course in the ground and have worked with the club to find a way to incorporate both.  Same applies at WaterWorks.

EXACTLY...

HuskerBen....as a person that has been involved with the club over 15 years and counting your belief that we (KCFDC) can drastically change/alter plans on land we don't own is just wrong.

The best thing about this is the fact that P&R came to us last year when this was presented to them about the notion that we may need to look at alternate options.  At that time I was asked to keep quiet due to the situation NOT being completely understood or approved.  I did as requested because of the level of trust that they had to include us in the initial conversation  I chose to share this information with the BoD privately a meeting or so ago, but again asked their support and understanding in communication per the request of the parks.

There isn't anything wrong with being part of the conversation and there is nothing that the club could do on the land we don't own.  What we got instead is a chance to move forward with alternate ideas that should lead to some wonderful change at Swope and hopefully additional disc golf for everyone.  To me that is way more important than releasing inaccurate information that hadn't been approved by the Parks Board.  Now that it has we can discuss it, but ultimately again, THE LAND IS NOT THE CLUBS.....
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Re: SWOPE Changes DISCussion
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2016, 01:39:38 PM »
I don't mind change, every time a course coordinator turns over they are going to try and change things to be how they want them.


And this is something that the BoD is working on preventing.  The courses were/are designed for a reason, typically the only person that should be making changes are the designer or if P&R wants a change...

BTW though a BIG THANK YOU!!!!!! for helping out at Youngle this week as well bud!  I appreciate it as does everyone!
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2016, 03:14:13 PM »
I will admit, when I first heard this news I felt the same as husker ben. I definitely have an emotional attachment to swope park, an this news is a tuff pill to swallow.  Progress is always inevitable, an the fact that the trees at swope are dying at an alarming rate, I feel this announcement is welcoming news. I'm excited to here the coming news for the future of DG in swope park, an can't wait to add my contributions in anyway I can. I would like to thank the board members that took the time to answer my questions an concerns, you know who you are.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2016, 04:23:38 PM »
And I think that everyone is right in their feelings, so I know I come across harsh and authoritarian, and though kinda my intent, I also am pretty matter of fact in my statements.

I get it, Swope has been in the ground longer than many of our members have been alive.  It is the reason that we (KCFDC) have such a great working relationship with the P&R.  In fact during the meeting with the Director of the Parks, he was commenting on how he went out with Tom Ingle (Original Designer) in like 1979/1980 or so and it was his permission that got the course moving.  So he has an attachment to Swope as well.

To be a little more transparent, this wasn't the Park's call.  It really was the City's call.  The City basically said we are moving forward with this plan...they were blindsided as well initially, but it does make sense.  As many people take animals to the nature Center across the street already, this will ease that confusion.  It is also close to the zoo, thus keeping the "animal family" all aligned and close.

Change is hard, but I am hopeful that I can work this as a catapult to get more than we are losing.  I believe that the timing is right, I feel that they are open to discussion and ultimately it should help us be an even bigger component to park.

I loved it when the signage went up all around pointing to the Disc Golf, and I am hopeful we can add more signs for all of us to enjoy!
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2016, 05:13:29 PM »
I read the linked article, and if I understand correctly, the area mainly affected is holes 15-18, right? What's to stop the course from growing in another direction to offset this loss of area? Or, since the course is being altered anyway, from doing a major overhaul which uses the remaining trees and land in a clever way to freshen up the place? (For example, reducing the number of parallel back-and-forth fairways.)
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2016, 11:17:47 PM »
That's certainly up for consideration Nova. You're absolutely right in your thought process. As a club we hope to advocate for not only a remodel but also the possibility to expand into other parts of the park with land or another course.

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Re: SWOPE Changes DISCussion
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2016, 12:36:31 PM »
That's certainly up for consideration Nova. You're absolutely right in your thought process. As a club we hope to advocate for not only a remodel but also the possibility to expand into other parts of the park with land or another course.

this is what i am wanting to happen out of this ordeal. a brand new swope wooded/championship course
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Re: SWOPE Changes DISCussion
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2016, 10:24:14 AM »
Some updates....

Currently the KC Pet project is in a 14,000 square foot building from 1972 with an additional 2,000 square foot facility to conduct surgery's (band aid approach).  The proposal will put in a 60,000 square foot facility with plans to have outdoor areas as well for the pets.  This will enable them to house about 500 animals very easily.  The average time for animals in the shelter is 19 days.  They currently have about 10,000/year that go through there.  Since KC Pet Project took over the facility in 2012, they city has provided about $1.3 mil of the needed $3.2 mil needed to operate.  Because 93% of the animals survive this is considered a "no kill" shelter and the 3rd largest in the country.  Aligning the location with nature center and the zoo is a good fit.  Swope Park has an average of about 2 mil visitors a year, with close to a million going to the Zoo, and about 300k going to Starlight.  The traffic would increase in that area to the tune of about 15-20 cars an hour, a nominal increase that Gregory will easily absorb.

The plan is to gain approval by all city council this year, and send it to the voters in a 2017 ballot.  They will put the initiative in a package with other infrastructure needs, roads, bridges, sidewalks (so the city will pay for replacing sidewalks, not the home owners), when I asked about plan "B", no one seemed to think that a plan B would be needed.  As a former T-Mobile employee this reminds me of the AT&T attempt to buy T-Mobile, and everyone on the T side thought it would be a no-brainer...fast forward to declined by the justice department, T-Mobile closed 1/2 of its call centers, went into a massive hiring freeze, and almost had to close operations.

What does that mean?  I don't know, but to me it means that nothing is in stone yet.  There is CLEARLY  a need for this facility and I for one think that this is a great chance for us as a disc golf community to improve our course options in Swope. So I am hopeful we continue to move forward, but there will be hurdles abounding and I wanted to give a little more idea of where this is currently at.
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