Lee's Summit Course close-need some support

[John Chapman]

Using Chappy's Machine here.......

I would like to have some people let me know that they are interested in helping with the "sweat labor"

For those that are looking to play East of Swope.......4-70 Lakewood and Bowlin
area....

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Jack Lowe
President-KCFDC
http://www.KCFDC.org
816.231.3622-H
913.485.5123-C
"Disc Golf-
Like ball golf, only faster,
cheaper, and healthier!"



Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:02:57 +0000
>
> To everyone:
>
> Here is some feedback from our meeting the other night.  We hope to have
> more user group participation at our next meeting in order to justify
> moving forward with the project.
>
> 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Casey
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:22 AM
> To: Tom Lovell; Foster Paulette; Gary Welty
> Subject: Disc Golf Development @ Pottberg
>
> 
>
> Summary from last night's meeting with the disc golf user group that
> Gary and I attended:
>
> 
>
> We had three people attend the meeting, only one from the Lee's Summit
> area, Brian Palmer.  The two others:  Jack Lowe is president of the KC
> Flying Disc Club, and John Chapman manages Disc Golf World store in
> downtown KC.  The KC Flying Disc Club has about 800 active members.
> Their statistics indicate that there are between 8-10K active and
> recreational players in the KC Metro area.
>
> 
>
> Course plan and development:
>
> We discussed the preliminary plan that we have developed and they
> indicate it could work very well.  They like the distance of the course
> and the terrain.  They also feel the amount of vegetation on the site is
> an advantage to course development creating more interest and variety of
> holes.
>
> 
>
> They commented that in developing the course it is good to consider
> multiple hole locations where the catcher could be moved to different
> locations for more variety of play.  This also reduces wear and tear on
> turf around a single hole location.  We should be able to accomplish at
> minimal cost (50-100$ per hole)
>
> 
>
> Area courses:
>
> They recommended visiting several KC metro courses particularly Rosedale
> Park at 42nd and Mission Rd.  It is a 36-hole facility and the most
> popular in the area.  On a busy day, Rosedale will do between 250-300
> rounds.  Other courses at Waterworks Park, Swope Park, and Olathe are
> very popular and have active leagues on weeknights.  Gary and I will
> schedule a time to visit some of these facilities.  There are no
> sanctioned (or PDGA certified) courses east of Swope Park in the metro
> area.
>
> 
>
> Park Impact on neighborhood:
>
> Neighbors adjacent to the park have heard news of development and are
> concerned about future land use.  We will schedule a time to meet with
> the homeowners association to hear some of their concerns.  We feel we
> can address many of them through education and slight modifications in
> the plan.  The user group has agreed to provide any assistance necessary
> in preparation to meet with the homeowners.
>
> 
>
> Funding options:
>
> The group indicated that KCMO has used some grant dollars to develop
> some of their disc golf facilities (PIAC grant).  They also indicate
> that fund raising events where temporary courses are set up are very
> popular.  They could assist us in facilitating some of these functions.
> They also indicate that it would not be a problem putting a group
> together that would provide "sweat equity" into the project- labor tree
> clearing, tee construction, etc.  The KC Flying Disc Club has a user
> agreement with KCMO to provide some maintenance, marketing, and
> management of their facilities.
>
> 
>
> Marketing and Promotion:
>
> The group has put in a bid and been approved for the Disc Golf World
> Championships in August 2009.  There are approximately 1500 competitors
> in the event from about 15 countries.  According to Jack Lowe, this
> equates to about 2.5-3 million dollars in the local economy.  They
> indicate they would like our course to be in the 6-7 course rotation.
> The KC club has a very active tournament schedule and weeknight league
> schedule.
>
> 
>
> Project Costs:
>
> A good estimate, according to publications and our research indicate an
> 18-hole facility with all of the site amenities and features will cost
> between $20-$25K.  The unknown at this point is exactly how much tree
> clearing, grading, drainage improvements, and re-seeding are needed.  A
> ballpark estimate for this work would be an additional $50-$75K.  This
> would not include any labor assistance from outside groups or volunteer
> labor.  Staff will need to sit down and work through the scope and
> include the trail construction in the project.  Several options exist at
> this point.
>
> 
>
> Follow-up:
>
> Jack Lowe will be sending me some information on course development,
> their contract with KCMO, and several other pertinent items.  We will
> set up meetings with the homeowners in the next few weeks to discuss the
> project and Gary and I will be setting up a time to visit area courses.
>
> 
>
> All for now.     
>
> 
>
> Steve Casey, RLA, ASLA
>
> Assistant Superintendent of Park Planning and Development
>
> Lee's Summit Parks and Recreation
>
> 220 SE Green Street
>
> Lee's Summit, Missouri 64086
>
> ph:   816.969.1507
>
> fax:  816.969.1515
>
> cell:  816.969.8706
>
> 
>

[will]

count me in. 


will

[Keizer]

Me too!

[phisherman_77]

jack,
you know i'm in

brian p

[matty]

when is the next meeting?

[jack]

As we get information about the next meeting, please post here.  I think that they expected more people at the last meeting.  I was just doing more introduction than anything else.  We can garner support I know that I have heard requests for this area since I moved here in 1998, soo.......keep us posted as things move forward.

[going-long]

Im in for sure, I feel like I helped get the ball rolling on this course.

Narin

PS. Do they know when the work is needed, or when the course will be in the ground.


ALso has anyone heard about a course going in at Pleasant HILL??

NARIN

[Kevin Montgomery]

I have heard about a course in Pleasant Hill. I talked to a guy at the KC Wide Open that told me it was going to be at a park off of 7 Highway between 50 Highway and Pleasant Hill. I don't recall his name or the name of the park but he sounded like it was a sure thing and the parks department was going to do all the work and make it a first class course. He's a long time KCFDC member and disc golfer from way back so I expect it to be an interesting design.

[jack]

That was Jim, former club president i believe Steinebel......we talked about it at the WOXXV as well.....unsure of where it is at.....I do know that the proposed course in Southern Johnson county should be nice as well.....hopefully to be played during the Olathe Open.......

[Psychoholic]

Kansas City is sooo lucky....

[matty]

i think $50-100 per hole is an under sight, especially if the total will be 20k plus. where is the extra $18,000 going. if there is too much clearing to be done maybe the area in fleming park near the lake jacomo entrance, off woods chapel would be cheaper to construct. the area only needs to be mowed. then maybe you could have holes under $1,000 each.

i want a course in lee's summit as much as anybody else; but "pottberg" may not be realistic.

[phisherman_77]

i think the $50-100 per hole is only for the sleeves for additional pin placements

[will]

fleming park is a perfect location with plenty of space.  it's almost ready for baskets.  but with the walkway there and the people that use it I don't see a golf course ever going in.

[jack]

Pottberg is approved, it is very realistic, the designs have been approved, the only hurdle at this point, is some drainage for the park, and to ensure that the neighborhood association is comfortable with it.  The design is well thought out, the P&R have done their homework, and I was thoroughly impressed with the layout. 

The P&R did a feasibility study back in 1999, and went to all the local courses then, and were RIGHT ON with the issues that each part had, and the +'s each one had.  This park will be a good one for sure that all levels of play will benefit from playing on.

$50-$100 is for the sleeves, it takes about $1000-$1500/hole to make it the way that hole should be, thus the $18000-$20k needed for the course, then the other $75k is to work the land, build bridges on low water areas, erosion prone areas.....etc......These guys did thier home work, they knew exactly where things needed to be.

Jack

[will]

fantastic.  lets start moving brush.