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gusgotts

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How can we improve course maintenance?
« on: June 10, 2008, 10:04:59 PM »
Feedback indicates that members are not impressed with JCPRD's maintenance of the Shawnee Mission Park course.  In defense of JCPRD, you have to admit that the amount of rainfall has made their mowing schedule difficult, to say the least.

What if someone offered to go with a park worker to mow the course?  I played today, and the fairway on 11 wasn't even mowed, and has not been touched the last couple of mowing cycles.  A guy with his grandson were losing discs in the rough off other fairways--it was not a pretty picture as the granddad was complaining about the use of his tax $$.  I'd be willing to go with a JCPRD staff member on a mower and show them the fairways and areas that need to be mowed.  Right now, the mowing is divided among several staff members, some who obviously DON'T KNOW the course.  Can the course be assigned to a single staff mower who would know the fairways and areas that need to be cut?  The heavy use of this course justifies increased mowing an maintenance of the course.

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Re: How can we improve course maintenance?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 09:15:17 AM »
They have been aware of the mowing on several conversations, but have not enacted yet, hopefully this is a minor speed bump in the process, and not something that is indicative of a larger problem with SM.

Plus new leadership has recently taken place, so lets give them some time before we bash them.
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Re: How can we improve course maintenance?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 10:18:56 AM »
Yes, we certainly don't want to bash them.

It is rather frustrating to me though that the wealthiest county in the state can't mow a few fairways for the citizens, and little ole Pleasant Hill can keep their park manicured so well. I have a small house in JOCO and pay over $200 a month in county property taxes.
 
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Re: How can we improve course maintenance?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2008, 02:15:47 PM »
if the parks and rec can't mow this course any better why even mess with ever getting tee pads put in??the kite flyers need to stay off #8 fairway also. everytime i go up there they are in the way and thats one of the only nice open holes up there. also its said to be more of a family course? how can it be that when the grass is almost taller then my kids. we come out of there with ticks and bug bites everytime.              i   would mow it myself but they are the one getting paid for it. i guess they just don't understand how it should look  and be yet but i hope they come around and figure it out                                             

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Re: How can we improve course maintenance?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2008, 04:35:48 PM »
As I was riding thru the park Friday I noticed it had been recently mowed.  I quickly checked #11 to see if it was missed again.  It was, so I raced to the office to let them know.  I was referred further up the food chain to someone in charge of implementing improvements (I think).  I explained how they were mowing from basket 10 to tee 11 and missing the fairway, and he was fairly chagrined (that means embarrassed) at this. 

He expressed an interest in hearing this type of feedback, so I filled him in on what I see as the major issues with the course, in particular mowing (mainly holes 2, 3, 6-7, 9, 12-16) and sharing Hole 9.  I mentioned poison ivy and ticks in passing.

Summary

As to mowing, he indicated that perhaps swatches thru the prairie grass was a result of maintenance trying to economize in the face of higher gas prices (with which we can all sympathize).  But if it comes at the expense of usability, he said he would look into it.  He also indicated the idea of 'paths' was somewhat intentional so as to 'define the course' and guide people such as from Basket X to Tee Y, which they do (except they have extras such as from B5 to T8, and others that go the wrong way as a result of the recent move of 4 to 6).  The deal is that they just don't know; it seems to them a Frisbee should land in the nice 14-16 foot swatch directly ahead.


Hole 9 is a BIG problem.  Kiters have been using the hill that the fairway runs across for years.  Furthermore when rocket launchers get a launch permit, they are given a map with designated launching areas and fairway 9 is a designated and preferred area.  About once a month or so the club will convene there and have tents and such set up with lots of traffic across the fairway to cars.  As we talked, he clearly understood the danger of trying to share that area.

It would seem the problem is in the course design; whomever laid it out just didnt know the other designated uses for that area.  I've played around them a few times, but when the club is out, or you are sticking to the rules for league or tounry play, it really isnt usable. The course design committee might want to begin looking into alternatives before the tee pads are installed.  I personally love that long, open hole but there is a potential serious conflict brewing.

He was very interested in what I had to say and very appreciative of the input.  The bottom line is that this is the first summer they've had the course and JUST DONT KNOW what is needed.  As an example, is the new out and back layout for 6 and 7 where the left of 6 is also the left of 7.  With a wild throw, it is not hard to end up on the other fairway.  Swatches or paths thru here make no sense because discs are doubly likely to land in between (RHBH) in the tall grass.  The same is true of 12-13 and 14-15.  No one can be expected to know that unless you've played.


The long discussion messed up what I had planned, so I dashed home and got my discs. The course had just been mowed before the Thurs downpour.  Ironically and to MY chagrin, overall they did a GREAT job.  Most of the specifics I had just complained about had been addressed.  For example, instead of just a swatch down the corridor of #2 they basically mowed treeline to treeline; instead of swatches for #6 and #7, they mowed the entire are behind the admin building.  They did miss #11 again (easy to do if you are just following previous mow patterns).  The downhill holes are a bit narrow (though I only went into the tall grass 2ce and I suck). 

Of late, they have been mowing one wide swatch down the 9th for the fairway and another farther up the hill for the rocketeers (this is that odd swatch extending past 8's basket).  This time they mowed the whole thing from the road past the top of the hill.  You would have to AIM and DRIVE at the rough to land in it now.  It does still leave rocketeers and kiters in the line of fire. 

The question is whether they plan to mow this way going forward.

The guy was very interested and attentive.  As we got into more detail, he took my number so those in maintenance (?) could get details later. I play SMP about 3 times a week, so I know the course and what concerns ME, but I am new.  Assuming they call back (which is likely - they have before on other matters), constructive collaboration from a more veteran perspective might be valuable.

Sorry for the length, but I wanted to fully inform you.




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Re: How can we improve course maintenance?
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2008, 11:06:48 AM »
excellent, tact and diplomacy.  That is all that we can ask from the players!!

It is a work in progress, and we will all work together on this.

Thanks,

Jack
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