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Hole Distances - Current Configuration

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phisherman_77:
Here are the updated hole distances after the latest reconfig.

Short Positions
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1 - 362
2 - 245
3 - 362
4 - 353
5 - 290
6 - 270
7 - 215
8 - 410
9 - 295
10 - 552
11 - 260
12 - 290
13 - 350
14 - 185
15 - 275
16 - 213
17 - 353
18 - 262
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total = 5542

Long Positions
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1 - 495
2 - 280
3 - 592
4 - 471
5 - 430
6 - 510
7 - 450
8 - 550
9 - 295
10 - 552
11 - 468
12 - 290
13 - 360
14 - 185
15 - 405
16 - 213
17 - 433
18 - 432
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Total = 7411

quite a bit of variance from short to long.  par on the short would probably be around 55 and par on the longs should be around 63-64.  Signs are being ordered soon.

The Bird Father:
No holes over 600'????  Par should be 54 on both settings.

phisherman_77:
THE DESTROYER SPEAKS!!!

in all honesty, the city asked me to give "amateur" par figures in this case.  For a casual player, anything over 400 feet is probably going to play like a par 4.

Schoen-hopper:
There are all kinds of different amateur levels.  I played a course in Miami, OK where I got some pretty easy 2's on what they were calling a par 5.

The PDGA uses a color system for the tees to designate different skill levels. 

Gold is for 1000 (975-1025) rated golfers.  Very few courses are at the gold level, even for par 54.  Par should be set for pro scores.

Blue is for 950 (925-975) rated.  For advanced players.  Most of the courses going in should be for this level if not intentionally decided otherwise.

White is for 900 (875-925) rated.
Red is for 850 (825-875) rated.

There is a template that used to be on the PDGA site, but I'm not sure it is now.  You punch in a hole distance and foliage density and it gives you the estimated scoring average on the hole.  It works pretty good for determining par for a certain skill level.

The best courses are designed with 2 sets of tees in mind.  One for the beginners and one for the advanced / pros.  Usually red & blue, or white & blue.  Then the hole pars can be the same for different skill levels, because they are throwing from different tee pads.

If you could get some rated players to play the course, I bet Chappy could figure out the course Scratch Scoring Average from the data on both long & short pin configs.  That would give you the 1000 rated "gold" par and you could figure out the blue or white or red par from there.  For this course, that would basically be 5 strokes per level higher than gold par.

If you only use one set of tees, I would recommend using the blue level for setting par.  If not, you will have average advanced players shooting double digits down and who knows what for pros. The course par would be meaningless and the course might come to feel obsolete.  Par, i.e. "errorless play" should be a challenge to meet.  Players should feel the drive to improve their game to meet par, not be playing par golf at day one.

I guess what strikes me most is the difference between the par for the 5500 distance vs. the 7100 distance.  That is a really good difference, but there is no way the course plays 8-9 strokes tougher unless there is a drastic difference in the OB & trees in play, etc.  If anyone could dig up the design documents, you could get some useful data to help set par.

phisherman_77:
there are definitely no par 5's on this course.

i know that pro par is going to be different.  but the city asked me for "amateur" par or "casual" par.  I am simply doing what the city asked me to.  though pro/gold level players will inevitably be playing this course, the city is more concerned with new/casual players.

what i consider par out there is quite different than what "casual player par" will/should be. 

there is almost 2000 feet of difference between short and long.  just taking that difference and dividing it into 5 new holes for example, you get an extra 15 strokes to par minimum.  trust me, there are holes out here that are going to be VERY difficult to get deuces on.

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