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Re: Gunfire
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2015, 11:52:57 am »
I saw a kid shoot off a potato gun there, saw a teenage girl learning to drive narrowly miss me before hitting a grate a busting her tire and axle and found a stack used condoms on the ground (sorry Jack, I left them there). None of that terrifies me as much as passing a police officer in Mission Hills in my Civic when I'm going 5 mph over.
So are you suggesting a boycott of Mission Hills.

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Re: Gunfire
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2015, 12:20:23 pm »
Well....someone shoots a gun and you don't visit the area anymore.....your decision.  As for the trash been busy but probably gonna get out there to clean it up some because as an investor in the land I do that.  I invest my time for others to enjoy and will spend an hour cleaning up others waste to enjoy it when it is clean.  Others just point and say why isn't this clean?

Well yes, I do tend to stay away from places where someone is shooting. I think that's a pretty good decision. Let's see, your child says to you, I heard a lot of gunfire at the park, what do you say to her. Oh, just ignore that crap and go play.  The things you do for disc golf are legendary, thanks for investing your time.

Cops come to get folks, did you call the police or just ignore it because "someone else did it already"?  The more attention that we show the police we are in the park, the more attention they will give as well to protect and serve in the areas that they are made aware of.  So I say when you hear something like that, call them as well.....

You made a poor assumption that there were only two choices. I didn't call the police or ignore it. I told the two mountain bikers to go talk to the crew down the hill that was working on the road. They are out there every day, if they thought it was dangerous they could call it in and you know the police would respond to them. Thats what they did and the police did respond.

I have been held at gunpoint in OP, I think that I should count that as a place that I should never visit again as well......I had a co-worker shot and killed next to Wy-CO, I guess I should call that another place to never go.

With the interesting life you lead you may run out of places you can go.

The bottom line folks, we live in an environment of crazy people with access to many weapons that clearly aren't being used solely for protection or hunting.  It isn't just one area that has it, it is EVERY area, you have to be safe and conscientious where ever you are at, what ever city you are in. 

Yep, what you said. I do my best to avoid crazy people carring guns. It is every area, so I try not to go to the worst ones.

Choosing to "boycott" a park in my mind means that the people that shouldn't be doing things "win" and we lose.  Soon enough you won't be able to leave your house for fear of being shot is what you are saying?  This course is now over 10 years in the ground.  NO BODY has been shot on the disc golf course at Cliff Drive.  Dead bodies dumped there, yes, broken windows, vandals, yes, but that same can be said at most of the courses that are over 10 years old as well.

Sorry, there are some areas where the crap people win. That's real life.

I don't encourage you to confront the gun men, but I also don't want to see an abdication of the park from those that shouldn't be there to use it properly.  We are all working hard to have POSITIVE activity in the park, the notion that the "mountain bikers" called the cops shows that by having a multi-use park we are making strides.

Sorry, I know you didn't encourage me to confront the gunmen. But I had a gun and I would have been glad to confront them. To bad I had no legal backing
or any legal justification for doing so.

I am a firm advocate for either part of the problem or part of the solution, ignoring itmes to me has always been a part of the problem. 

Yep, as stated above, I didn't ignore it. You are wrong, I was not part of the solution and i certainly was not part of the problem.

You can do as you see fit, but for me the knowledge that mountain bikers took the initiative to do what is right says more to me than the fact that gunfire happened again in the city......

I am glad the mountain bikers are there and hope they continue to make the park a better place. I know it's your trade mark, but when you write so much crap it's hard to respond to all of it. I'm old and not very sharp so I need to keep it short and simple.

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Re: Gunfire
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2015, 12:51:49 pm »
Well....someone shoots a gun and you don't visit the area anymore.....your decision.  As for the trash been busy but probably gonna get out there to clean it up some because as an investor in the land I do that.  I invest my time for others to enjoy and will spend an hour cleaning up others waste to enjoy it when it is clean.  Others just point and say why isn't this clean?
Well yes, I do tend to stay away from places where someone is shooting. I think that's a pretty good decision. Let's see, your child says to you, I heard a lot of gunfire at the park, what do you say to her. Oh, just ignore that crap and go play.  The things you do for disc golf are legendary, thanks for investing your time.
-I get the leaving thing entirely, I am just requesting in the future if people as they read this hear this type of activity they know what I would like to have done as would many of the surrounding area residents that work to help make this place well, and it is an uphill battle often.
Cops come to get folks, did you call the police or just ignore it because "someone else did it already"?  The more attention that we show the police we are in the park, the more attention they will give as well to protect and serve in the areas that they are made aware of.  So I say when you hear something like that, call them as well.....

You made a poor assumption that there were only two choices. I didn't call the police or ignore it. I told the two mountain bikers to go talk to the crew down the hill that was working on the road. They are out there every day, if they thought it was dangerous they could call it in and you know the police would respond to them. Thats what they did and the police did respond.
  I just wish you would have called the cops is what I was thinking, the more the merrier in cases like this.  Even an errant shot to the skies has a bullet come down and could cause harm.  That target on a tree could miss and hit a biker or a golfer.  Public parks are no places for gunshots to ever be used, and it needs to stop, and we need to help.
I have been held at gunpoint in OP, I think that I should count that as a place that I should never visit again as well......I had a co-worker shot and killed next to Wy-CO, I guess I should call that another place to never go.

With the interesting life you lead you may run out of places you can go.
  No I go to a wide variety of places, I expand and go to places that others may not.  I am ok with that.  I thrive on diversity and uneasiness at times makes for interesting conversations, and an ability to learn, appreciate and respect all around me.  I feel it really does elevate my own Frame Of Reference for other conversations that many ignore.  It also is part of my professional occupation in many instances so the idea of ignoring things that are perceived as "bad" without first hand viewing it is something that I work hard to avoid.  Now I understand that this actually has happened, and I get that it was scary possibly that day at that particular moment.....so is driving in the area, there are more cars that scare me on that road than any gun may.   Again it is my own P.O.V that makes that case though and not everyone will be on the same page.  I merely ask that if you (or anyone for that matter) hear something along those lines, call the cops.  Hit 911 and leave if you feel as though you are threatened or unsafe.  No one, and I mean NO ONE should ever feel that way in a public park.
The bottom line folks, we live in an environment of crazy people with access to many weapons that clearly aren't being used solely for protection or hunting.  It isn't just one area that has it, it is EVERY area, you have to be safe and conscientious where ever you are at, what ever city you are in. 

Yep, what you said. I do my best to avoid crazy people carring guns. It is every area, so I try not to go to the worst ones.
  I don't think that Cliff Drive is the "worst ones" personally, but then again I have more time in the area than most people combined so my frame of reference is slightly off to say the least.
Choosing to "boycott" a park in my mind means that the people that shouldn't be doing things "win" and we lose.  Soon enough you won't be able to leave your house for fear of being shot is what you are saying?  This course is now over 10 years in the ground.  NO BODY has been shot on the disc golf course at Cliff Drive.  Dead bodies dumped there, yes, broken windows, vandals, yes, but that same can be said at most of the courses that are over 10 years old as well.

Sorry, there are some areas where the crap people win. That's real life.
  But we can work towards a better solution to make it appropriate for all to enjoy is my utopia.
I don't encourage you to confront the gun men, but I also don't want to see an abdication of the park from those that shouldn't be there to use it properly.  We are all working hard to have POSITIVE activity in the park, the notion that the "mountain bikers" called the cops shows that by having a multi-use park we are making strides.

Sorry, I know you didn't encourage me to confront the gunmen. But I had a gun and I would have been glad to confront them. To bad I had no legal backing or any legal justification for doing so.
  Right, agreed and that is another topic, but had they pointed a gun at you directly you would have been well within your rights to protect and defend yourself.  Sad it has to be like that at all.....truly is.
I am a firm advocate for either part of the problem or part of the solution, ignoring itmes to me has always been a part of the problem. 

Yep, as stated above, I didn't ignore it. You are wrong, I was not part of the solution and i certainly was not part of the problem.
  No but I think that taking the time to call the police so that even 3 people had calls into would have led to a faster possibly more robust response is what I am thinking about.
You can do as you see fit, but for me the knowledge that mountain bikers took the initiative to do what is right says more to me than the fact that gunfire happened again in the city......

I am glad the mountain bikers are there and hope they continue to make the park a better place. I know it's your trade mark, but when you write so much crap it's hard to respond to all of it. I'm old and not very sharp so I need to keep it short and simple.
Makes sense and agreeable.
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Re: Gunfire
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2015, 01:40:08 pm »
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To Jack. Good post above. And I will be glad to play a round with you there anytime.

To Jamie, I think FTL should play here soon.
 

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Re: Gunfire
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2015, 01:44:38 pm »
hopefully this week, vote for ftl teater
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Re: Gunfire
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2015, 01:45:19 pm »
If we play can Hyzer come so we have back-up. Just sayin.

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Re: Gunfire
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2015, 02:02:56 pm »
The truth is, before disc golf that park was worse.. The course is slowly purifying the grounds. I love and hate Cliff Drive. All of the 'hate' comes from the course kicking my ass on the scorecard.

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Re: Gunfire
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2015, 11:07:19 am »
Maybe we need to remind or bring up how much Rosedale improved from more positive traffic.
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