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Re: stirring the pot....
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2010, 04:06:00 PM »
Twister66...Jim....very well said!  :)

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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2010, 04:33:25 PM »
Jack, I'm in and would opt to do this sometime if available.   Most fun camaraderie drives my decision... 
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« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2010, 04:38:37 PM »
ignore my post, Jim covered it well, he thinks thats a long post.....wow, if I only was tha succint!
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« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2010, 04:48:20 PM »
Some people are just never satisfied. More money, gotta be bigger, gotta be faster, gotta change sh!t around all the time. What's wrong with simple $5 weekly minis, with Am/Master/Pro divisions? Why does it need to get anymore complicated than that? Those of you who want to make more money, go start your own high roller league and leave the damned weekly minis alone. The $7 Open fee should have never been approved in the first place. I haven't said anything but all the negative comments I've heard are causing an urge to speak up about it. How nice that a select few club members got to decide to change the Open fee and everyone else just had to go along with it. Now there's talk of doing away with a division that lots of 40+ players a quite fond of playing in. Jeezus, just keep things simple as far as club minis are concerned. Lots of folks joined the KCFDC because they liked they way things were when they joined, so leave it the hell alone already.

Twister66...Jim....very well said!  :)

Yep, very well said!

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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2010, 06:42:30 PM »
Somehow over the last page, everyone started attacking an idea that wasn't presented as the primary reason for change. As Cooper and Timko have said several times now, it's about getting people of the same skill level to play against each other, rather than people of the same age.

Jim, it's unfortunate that people in the advanced division you have played with have been petulant about their distance, or just generally annoying, for that matter. I understand, I've played with those people, too. That doesn't mean that everyone over 40 should get to hide in an exclusive group that's segregated more for social reasons than based on skill.

No one thinks that making an extra ten bucks is going to make anyone rich. But let's not forget, the point of this thread was jack stirring around to see if he could enter his score in multiple divisions, to what?...make more money. Unless he has a doppleganger running around, he's only going to be interacting with one of those divisions on a personal level. His age would essentially allow him to access a larger prize pool that others can't. I don't necessarily have a problem with this, except that Timko keeps pounding it into our heads that statistically, the old guys are just as good as the not-old guys.

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« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2010, 07:05:14 PM »
Just as a point of clarification I think that Chris has been positing that some of the "old guys" are as good as the other open players. His main point, though, is that masters doesn't do anything to create an equitable playing field in the groups of players as some play far better than others. Some play that division to win, some to get better, some to socialize, just like every other division. When I brought up the idea of dumping masters it wasn't out of any disrespect to the masters players. I love getting to play with CD, Pete, Jamie Danger, and every other one of the masters players because all of them show one thing to the players that they play with, that distance doesn't win, accuracy does. Maybe initially it would be a problem for the masters players playing with the partying/disrespectful/whatever else Ams and Pros but it would be naive at best to assume that the influence of those elder-statesmen would have no effect on those other players.
And also to clarify, I'm not saying we should absolutely get rid of masters, I'm just stirring the pot. The only way we grow is to be challenged by new ideas and new thoughts that might initially seem so radical that they could never happen but eventually gain traction and prove to be useful in the grand scheme of things. Sometimes it isn't best to leave sleeping dogs lie.

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« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2010, 08:26:57 PM »
Some people are just never satisfied. More money, gotta be bigger, gotta be faster, gotta change sh!t around all the time. What's wrong with simple $5 weekly minis, with Am/Master/Pro divisions? Why does it need to get anymore complicated than that? Those of you who want to make more money, go start your own high roller league and leave the damned weekly minis alone. The $7 Open fee should have never been approved in the first place. I haven't said anything but all the negative comments I've heard are causing an urge to speak up about it. How nice that a select few club members got to decide to change the Open fee and everyone else just had to go along with it. Now there's talk of doing away with a division that lots of 40+ players a quite fond of playing in. Jeezus, just keep things simple as far as club minis are concerned. Lots of folks joined the KCFDC because they liked they way things were when they joined, so leave it the hell alone already.

Twister66...Jim....very well said!  :)

Yep, very well said!
AMEN brother preach on!!! This kind of stuff gonna make me and others not even want to play leagues anymore
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« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2010, 08:35:12 PM »
Twister66 for PRESIDENT!!!!!

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« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2010, 08:41:38 PM »
jack,  play as many divisions as you want
leave masters alone
if you want start a open league,(you  might want to start it at 3:00 pm so you can get done by dark)
i say lets have a masters league only!!!!!!
i'm done now

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« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2010, 09:05:18 PM »
 I'm almost 49 and it's actually quite fun playing with 20 and 30 sumthins. I learn new slang expressions from them and am exposed to contemporary music. It's also good for my libido when I play well and wind up with a lower score. It is difficult for folks under say, 35, to know how your body feels as you age. I remember in my twenties hearing ole farts talking bout how this or that hurts and thinkin "that'll never happen to me". Well, time and the miles take their toll, and even though your mind feels you you are still 25 (mine does), things wear out and just don't work as well. That's why there are age protected divisions, Ibuprofin, and Viagra. It allows the worn bodies to still compete. Perhaps the age protection shouldn't happen until 50. Watching the KC scene for 20 plus years does tend to make me believe that 50 would be a better break. Some of the best players in the area are in their 40's after all.

 I'm just ramblin and don't have much of an opinion on this topic. I'd just say the way things have been is good, and change can be good too. I'm just glad to have so many places, good players, and good souls to enjoy this groovy Frisbee game wit.  :D

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« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2010, 09:19:23 PM »
if you want start a open league,(you  might want to start it at 3:00 pm so you can get done by dark)

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« Reply #56 on: July 28, 2010, 09:30:57 PM »
I am a master now, but let me say that I am totally against this. I hate the trend. It gives a guy that happens to be 40 the chance to win more $$$ than the person with the best score, should he happen to be under 40. If the Japan Open and European Open would offer a sidebet that was open to only players that were UNDER 40 (as well as the other existing sidebets), I'd have less of a problem with it.

Personally, I think you should have to choose your division and live the decision.
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« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2010, 11:51:18 PM »
Guess what division I'm eligible for on my next birthday?
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« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2010, 12:03:17 AM »
Guess what division I'm eligible for on my next birthday?

actually its the year of.  i.e. if its before 12/31/2010, you're already eligible.  otherwise, you will be eligible 1/1/2011.
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« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2010, 06:10:04 AM »
Guess what division I'm eligible for on my next birthday?

actually its the year of.  i.e. if its before 12/31/2010, you're already eligible.  otherwise, you will be eligible 1/1/2011.

Me too!!!

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