Hello everyone, my name is Michael Taylor and I recently attended and ran in the "elections" at the flea market. Since I was largely out voted on the new by-laws, and did not receive a spot on the board I will go to the message board to answer a few questions I have. Please take into consideration that I am very new to this club as stated above and at the meeting, and I am nowhere close to a lawyer.
Michael thanks so much for posting. Gives a chance for others to make comments that enjoy being vocal about disc golf, not just those that sit on the board. You in no way need to be a lawyer, infact in most minds in here by not being a lawyer, we value your opinion more!
1. The elections that were held tonight were for a group of 9 people to be on a board, and from those 9 people THEY would select the appropriate person to run each of the positions available.
This seems very counter productive, why not have an election for each position that will be held? The reason being that people that have expertise in certain areas might or might not get elected to the board but would be a better fit for that position.
It is not counterproductive. In doing this it allows the 9 board member to discuss at their first meeting what positions will be held, and they can make a decision amongst themselves in order to assure that they are valid. Also in these instances with an all vounteer organization you will rely on everyone to help out. We have over the past 25yrs done as you indicated, the reasoning behind changing this process was more of a standardization of how a mjority of boards are selected. Generally the board decides the position. That being said there is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone so choosing to run on the board to give information on how they feel they would be best served on the board. As Rhonda indicated last night her expertise and how she would like ot help the board out. Unfortunately she did not win selection, hopefully though ( I will speak up) whomever the newly assigned Chief Technology Officer will reach out to her and ask for assistance in our desire to move forward accordingly to help the club.
2. People can hold a position and also be on a course committee?
This seems like a huge conflict of interest, that would be like the president of the US still holding a position in the senate or being a governor of a state while in office. Yes the example I gave is on a larger scale but it still is a conflict of interest.
These people have no vote on the board, only board members may vote, so your stance of this discussion is not applicable in our situation. Keep in mind that in our Senate that the Vice President can be vote 51 to break a tie. Now this is still not applicable with regards to your topic as a quorum by definition will consistently be an odd number so unless a board member abstains from a vote there will always be a majority to win decisions from the board. This therefoere is not a conflict of interest in any way shape or form.
3. Course committee without a coordinator?
This is just asking for trouble! Being that if there isn't a leader, it will be a he said she said situation all the time. Granted I know that there are multiple people running courses now but there is also a coordinator that leads those people (or should).
There will always be a leader in anyway shape or form, as the leaders rise to the occassion to make themselves known. If there are 2 leaders in a course, then great. This shouldn't be any problem at all as anyone can attend the Board meetings, and are encouraged to do so. So if there is a conflict with people on the course, my hope is that they would both approach the Board and indicate what the issues are that are causing the strife, and in turn be able to come up with a resolution to the problem. It is afterall Disc Golf, we are not talking about personal property, or a company business. You shuold be involved with Disc Golf locally under the realization that it takes an entire community to keep us afloat. Not one person in the KCFDC has ever done anything alone. It takes our entire community. You as a newer member yourself are a perfect example of what you can do to get noticed.
I think that there is one more but I forgot already. I would love to be on a course committee or ever multiple ones but being that I am new I feel my voice will go unheard, because that is how these by-laws are built. I raised my hand around 5 times and was ignored and not chosen to speak so I remained silent about these issues. If I am overstepping myself please let me know but I have to at least throw these out there because I really think it would help the organization grow (with newer players). Don't get me wrong I love that fact that we are applying for a real non profit organization, but I didn't agree with the above flaws (as I see it) so I said voted against them. Thanks for reading
As the primary speaker of the by-laws conversation last night, and you sitting closer to me than anyone else, I can attest that I saw you raise your hand on one occassion. I went to the back of the room for a question, then planned on getting back to you but you didnt raise your hand again. At one point I even heard Ben and you talking, and Ben indicated to you to go ahead and ask, I heard you mutter, thats ok, and as such I didnt call on you as your hand was no longer raised, and others were asking for the floor. I could not give you the floor without you asking for it. Suffice it to say, had you riased your hands 5x, I can assure you I would have called on you. Others raised their hands multiple times, and were called on. So if you did in fact riase your hands that many times, I am sorry for not calling you to the floors attention.
On a personal note Michael, I was one of your votes and Rhonda as well. I would have loved to have seen you on the Board as both of you would have new energy that I feel is essential to the livelihood of the KCFDC. I am hopeful that you will reach out to the new board and let them know that you have desires to help out more. I hope that you are not alone in this line of thinking, and that others that share this enthusiasm with the desire to help the KCFDC will make it known.
Tavish is right in that light, we may not all appear to be approachable, but those that continue to help and show interest in helping are typically the ones that get noticed.
The board members for the 2010-2011 are as follow: http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=5705.0
We are planning on meeting on Thursday night November 11, the location to be determined. At that point we will vote the officers positions and will let the membership know through the website.
Michael, please do not take this as an indication that your questions are not valid, I for one bet that many at the meeting may have not be comfortable asking questions. Although I do not like that, I have realization that some people are not comfortable with asking these questions in public, as such I truly do thank you for pointed questions. I am hopeful that my responses alleviate some of your concerns, if not please let me know, I will do my best to answer any questions in particular with regards to the 501c3. I first started to ask general membership for this status in 2004 I believe, and we are now getting to be very close to that status. It will enable the club to grow larger. In fact if next year you feel as though there needs to be more board members, you can of course raise it for a vote at the general membership meeting and upon passage you may have 7, 9, 11, or 13 board members. I personally felt that 9 was a great starting point, as such why I included it for the first year of the by-laws.
They did pass 43-2 last night. We are working towards this goal, and I for one thank you for your comments and more importantly your ability to stand up in front of essentially a group of strangers is tough. I liked your topic and your reasoning for wanting to join the board, why I voted for you, unfortunately others didnt feel that way.
I do look forward to hopefully working with you in the future very soon though. It could start with an Ice Bowl as far as I am concerned. With over 400 people we need more people to help than many realize. Please reach out to the board to help with the events.
Again thanks for your comments, as you can tell, long winded doesnt bother me!