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Re: Results from the 6th H2Open
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2011, 03:00:18 PM »
Thanks to Rick and staff for running this event and doing it well. I love how Rick mixes up the first round cards so new and old players play together. Some other TDs might take a cue on this, or not. Thanks again,
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Re: Results from the 6th H2Open
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2011, 03:35:49 PM »
ITs a great thing to do, but its against the PDGA rules...so some are afraid to do it this way.  I have always enjoyed that component of most of Rick's psychology of card placement, he usually tries to get one of every division on a card in round one, it gives you that chance to play with people that you normally may not, gets you out of the little "cliques" that happen in our little sport, and also gives those a chance to play with people that may be more "tournament savvy" to help along people that are newer to the sport.

I know in the past Rick has done this even at PDGA events, its good in my mind though some do not care for this method, I tend to lean on your side of the comment though Eric!
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Re: Results from the 6th H2Open
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2011, 06:11:09 PM »
Actually it's not against the rules.  All the competition manual says is professionals and amateurs should not be mixed.  I should not call in sick to work on Friday and then spend the day golfing, but it doesn't mean I wont or can't.  It's more of TD's bending to the whims of people, pros or thinking they are pros not wanting to play with less experienced people.

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Re: Results from the 6th H2Open
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2011, 07:07:58 PM »
The mixed cards during the first round were great. The part I didn't understand was how there were fivesomes in a capped-at-72 event, because that's just fuzzy math! :o

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Re: Results from the 6th H2Open
« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2011, 08:26:51 PM »
The mixed cards during the first round were great. The part I didn't understand was how there were fivesomes in a capped-at-72 event, because that's just fuzzy math! :o

I agree on the mixed cards.  Regarding the 72 person cap HaterAde, that was just a marketing ploy to get the event filled ASAP...as was the preregister requirement  :D and the promise to play as many placements as possible.  BTW the lack of basket movement for round 2 was weak.  I'll give it a pass this time because of the heat, which was punishing, but every basket should be moved between rounds during these tournaments if possible.  Still great celebration of WW.  Bill N. has that course looking incredible!     

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Re: The 6th H2Open Results
« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2011, 11:24:09 AM »
A big thanks to everyone who played the 6th H2Open. We had a large group of friendly, fun-loving, and cooperative competitors, which made for a fun, albeit scorching day. Competitively, KC highest-rated pro, Ken "Tank" Franks was equal to the weather—hot as hell that is—shooting double-digit, under-par rounds, good for the 10-throw, open-division win over Nick Winkelbauer, Bobby Villarreal, and Caleb Walker. But, in the wacky world of disc golf divisions, where the best players don't always go head-to-head, the second-best score on the day, 94 (seven more than Tank's), belonged to the masters winner Shanan Carson, who edged CD Steiner by one. (Tank, Carson, and CD split the Big Boy side bet pool.) However, it was Angie Biondo in the eight-person women's division with the biggest margin of victory,  winning by 11 over Tavish Carduff. In the largest collection of "fossils" ever in a local tournament, Mark Mills edged Hal Kurz by one in the grandmasters division (50 and over). Lee Killian eked out the win by one throw over Kevin Manning and two over Eric Eastwood to take the advanced title. Perhaps proving the karmic-related theory that if you put in work in maintaining a course, it will come back to you when you play, Waterworks chief volunteer Bill Neenan, shot 104, which was seven better than Ken Hostetler in the advanced masters. Peter Bures shot par (108) to win the intermediate by two throws over  Sean Chancellor. Rob Hoesly edged Nathan Whitman by one to take the recreational division.

There were no holes in one. In a CTP contest for the ace pool cash, the three winners were Eliot Hicks, Franks, and Carduff.

A whole lot of people helped out to make this tournament as fun as it was. First our sponsors: Duffy Carduff and Eagle Products, Nathan Whitman and Tallgrass Brewery, Disc Golf World, and the KCFDC for the use of the grill and the water jugs. Big props to Kelly Warren and Doc for the food. Thanks to Ryan Oldham and Katherine Delmond for stopping by between rounds to help out. Bill Neenan can't be thanked enough for his dedication to Waterworks. He moved the baskets Friday morning to for the first round, and then made the course a bit shorter between rounds. He and Billy Nelson also got the water on the course. Thanks to Brian Woodson for the tent and the shade. Thanks to everyone who helped with scoring and scorecard preparation. Special thanks to Kevin Manning for the assist on getting the prizes organized. Jason Pool organized the CTP for the ace pool money. I love to play in these kinds of tournaments and because so many people helped out, I was able to throw, although seldom where I intended the disc to go.

I'll take this opportunity to address some post-tournament comments on this thread. I really wanted to fill the tournament with 72 paid players before Saturday morning. I had ordered tee shirts and food accordingly. When this didn't happen and players who had not let me know that they intended to play beforehand started showing up, I decided to say "no" to no one (except the guy who asked to play after the players' meeting). Thus we deployed 79 players instead of 72 and had some fivesomes. As posted on this thread before the event, it was our plan to play 36 different placements. Concern for players' health due to the extreme heat was the reason this didn't happen. This was also why the first-round course was as short as it was.

As to the mixing of the cards, it's something that I've been doing, in some way, shape or form since I ran my first event in 1983. Jack's analysis down thread about why I do this is pretty accurate. While disc golf is a wonderful competitive sport, it's much more than that. We are a micro-society in which life-long friendships have been formed. I think we all know people who have married because of disc golf and seen their marriages go south because of disc golf. There are now two and three-generation families who play disc golf. (We had Duffy and Tavish Carduff and Paul and Matt Eklund.)  I think each of us are on a continuum where one pole is competition and the other pole is affiliation, which means that sometimes we're all about our rounds and how we shot, and other times, it's the company we keep that is more important than the bogeys or birdies we card. We are truly a Kansas City Disc Golf Society and I think this tournament provided a nice balance between the two poles.

Anybody up for the 7th H2Open, tentatively scheduled for July 21? If so, let me know and I'll start forming the list now. The plan once more will be preregistration only. We might cap it at 90 though.

Thanks again to everyone. It was a fun, fun day.






6th H2Open
July 23, 2011
Water Works Park
Kansas City, Missouri


Open - 10            
Ken "Tank" Franks   44   43   87
Nick Winkelbauer   48   49   97
Bobby Villarreal           48   49   97
Caleb Walker           50   47   97
Fred Smith                   52   49   101
Billy   Nelson               53   50   103
Jake   Bowen      49   56   105
Scott   Herring      54   51   105
Mike   Keizer      52   56   108
Michael Taylor      58   56   114
Women - 8            
Angie   Biondo      55   56   111
Tavish Carduff      59   64   123
Amanda Jackson      61   65   126
Kaylee Kincaid      67   60   127
Fawn   Brown      73   63   136
Rhonda Crosby      89   62   151
Lynne Warren      68   DNF   DNF
Becky Stebbins      72   DNF   DNF
Masters - 7            
Shanan  Carson      48   46   94
CD   Steiner       49   46   95
Mark   Martin      48   53   101
Mike   Thomas      51   51   102
Brian   Gammon      55   49   104
Tracy   Walker      55   55   110
Jay   Rivard      55   58   113
Grandmasters - 11            
Mark Mills              53   53   106
Hal Kurz              53   54   107
Brian   Woodson      54   57   111
Randy Kempke      56   55   111
Dan Howard      60   53   113
John   Johnson      58   58   116
Rick Rothstein      60   60   120
Bob Field         64   67   131
Jim Burcham      64   68   132
Ed Gonzales      62   71   133
Duffy Carduff      64   DNF   DNF
Advanced - 16            
Lee Killian         51   48   99
Kevin Manning      51   49   100
Eric Eastwood      49   52   101
Matt   Eklund      52   52   104
Bobby Domsch      50   57   107
Greg   Utz                 55   52   107
Jason Pool              55   53   108
Eric Kolkmeier      58   54   112
Seth   Wolzen      55   57   112
BJ Font         59   54   113
Travis Daetwiller      57   56   113
Tyler   Newton      60   54   114
Shane Diersten      56   59   115
Paul   Senatore      59   61   120
Greg   Richards      59   65   124
Stephen Karpovich   68   57   125
Advanced Masters -8            
Bill Neenan      51   53   104
Ken Hostetler      55   56   111
John Chapman      54   60   114
Eliiot Hicks         59   57   116
Paul Eklund      60   57   117
Kevin    Weiss       58   64   122
Ben Crosby      64   60   124
James McLaughlin   63   67   130
Intermediate - 14            
Peter   Bures      51   57   108
Sean   Chancellor      55   55   110
Ian Stone      58   55   113
Daniel Gammon      57   58   115
Bill Shinoski      59   57   116
Peter   Brown      61   56   117
Frank    Weaver III   62   55   117
John   Kimbrell      60   60   120
Brad   Lenheim      61   60   121
Michael Graham      62   60   122
Chris "Eduardo" Holbrook   65   58   123
David Vowiell      62   61   123
Ryan   Muenks      65   61   126
Jakob Nelson      67   63   130
Recreational - 4            
Rob Hoesly         61   59   120
Nathan Whitman   62   59   121
Travis Shively      67   60   127
Van Spratford      65   64   129

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Re: Results from the 6th H2Open
« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2011, 01:01:19 PM »
I miss the magazine..... :'(
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Re: Results from the 6th H2Open
« Reply #52 on: July 29, 2011, 09:32:19 AM »
Thanks again Rick  ;D
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Re: Results from the 6th H2Open
« Reply #53 on: July 29, 2011, 09:48:56 AM »
I agree Rick, thanks for your time and energy on the H2Open and other DG activities!
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