The problem with PC12 is that the city won't let the clean up and clearing happen. It's a weak hole no matter where, mainly because luck is such a big part of getting that birdie shot. But, with good control of the right disc, a birdie attempt is not out of the question for almost anyone. 'course, a double bogey is also not out of the question for almost anyone. That doesn't make it a truly good hole, just one with a wide score range. It would be interesting to see what stats come from a season of leagues, in each pin, on 12.