Seems like the % of people who bioooooootch.......are the same % that always biooooootch.....
I personally enjoy the tees at cliff, the length of pad is the only killer when it comes down to it....not at cliff, just in general...uhmmm...phill.
Nobody is b%tching/complaining in this string about the Cliff Pads children.
We are merely ribbing Jack.
I actually was at Cliff while the hole 1 pad was being formed and had conversations about the taper with Chappy and Jack prior to construction.
Personally I think they are exceptional pads, even though they are 180 degrees from the published standard orientation of a tapered tee. I don't have much of an opinion either way on whether the standard is better. When I first saw the standard, I really thought it was backwards, and the standard should be like Cliff's tees.
If you think P-Hills boxes are short, check out Pittsburg's Lincoln Park sometime.