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OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« on: July 23, 2012, 12:40:28 PM »
I actually found these graphics pretty helpful myself. /share


 


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Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2012, 12:41:13 PM »
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Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2012, 01:10:41 PM »
Interesting, I"m not using anything special just the
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Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2012, 01:16:54 PM »
Saw them just fine
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Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2012, 01:24:28 PM »
yah those are the rules, it's important that the group watches for the calls though, so many golfers foot fault off their marker without noticing, and if only one player calls it - it is no foul - you've gotta have a "second" it's common knowledge i call foot faults - on jump putts especially when the "launching" foot touches the mini. just because i hate watching jump putts doesn't mean i hate you - it means i hate foot faults.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2012, 01:42:04 PM »
Indeed. I've learned especially in my fairway drives to step way behind the marker. Its always helpful to remember the 30cm rule, and the 5m on non-penalty relief. certainly comes in handy if you're buried in the woods, or even sitting in front of an evil tree in the fairway.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2012, 09:52:21 PM »
If there's one of these handy guides for falling putts...please post it.   8)
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2012, 02:36:59 PM »
If there's one of these handy guides for falling putts...please post it.   8)

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Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2013, 01:03:46 PM »

Out-of-bounds relief became an issue with my card Sunday morning at Frostbreaker.  Bumping thread to bring a visual aid to the discussion we had.

This is meant to be a friendly reminder as to two out-of-bounds rules.  Not busting nuts, just improving knowledge for all.

802.03 D

If the position of the thrown disc is in-bounds but within one meter of an out-of-bounds line, the lie may be marked by placing a mini marker disc on the playing surface at any point on a one-meter line that extends perpendicularly from the nearest point on the out-of-bounds line and passes through the center of the thrown disc, even if the direction takes the lie closer to the target. For the purpose of marking the lie, the out-of-bounds line represents a vertical plane.


804.04 D

A player whose disc is out-of-bounds shall receive one penalty throw. The player may elect to play the next throw from:

The previous lie; or,

A lie that is up to one meter away from and perpendicular to the point where the disc last crossed into out-of-bounds, even if the direction takes the lie closer to the target; or,

Within the designated drop zone, if provided.

The lie can only go towards the basket if it is perpendicular to the out-of-bounds line, the line itself being out-of-bounds.
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The conversation ensued as to what 'perpendicular' meant.



Construction of the perpendicular (blue) to the line AB through the point P.

Perpendicular is determinable both on a straight line and a curved line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpendicular

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2013, 03:39:34 PM »

Perpendicular is determinable both on a straight line and a curved line.


Can you explain this a little further Rob?  A line can not be perpendicular to an arc.  In the illustration you provided the red arc and the green arcs are just construction lines to establish a 90 degree angle between the blue line and the black line through point P.  Actually the illustration is wrong if the blue line and the black line are perpendicular there should be a square at point O to designate the 90 degree angle.

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Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 04:18:07 PM »
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Out-of-bounds relief became an issue with my card Sunday morning at Frostbreaker.  Bumping thread to bring a visual aid to the discussion we had.

This is meant to be a friendly reminder as to two out-of-bounds rules.  Not busting nuts, just improving knowledge for all.


I believe this may have been referring to me.  If so... no offence taken and thanks for following up on this!
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2013, 04:24:38 PM »
I think the perpendicular illustration was to try to clarify a question raised on irregular OB.  Example would be the OB is a right angle and the disc lands off center on the corner in bounds.
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Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2013, 04:44:13 PM »
Further point of clarification:
The thrower cannot be touching (or have a supporting point in contact with) OB when releasing his/her disc...thus up to 1m of relief.
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Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2013, 05:23:12 PM »
Wasn't calling anyone out, just providing instruction for all.
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Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2013, 06:45:24 PM »
I think the perpendicular illustration was to try to clarify a question raised on irregular OB.  Example would be the OB is a right angle and the disc lands off center on the corner in bounds.


It's not perpendicular from that line as a whole, but perpendicular from any one point on that line.

I made a terrible graphic to illustrate this-




Further, there are odd loopholes in taking your one meter in a "corner", as it were.  Like this-



I believe that this was the case on Hole #17 at Swope Gold at this years KCWO. Where in that corner, taking 1 meter of relief would bring a player closer to the other part of OB. So instead of taking 1 meter from where the disc went out (deep in the corner), a player would take 1 meter of relief from any OB, which would ultimately bring that player more like 2-3 meters from where they initially went OB.