Grip Equipment presents The 31st Kansas City Wide Open-June 14-16 KCWideOpen.com

[Loomis]

Swope had a different set of circumstances.

[kcRhyno]

Then send Kevin a PM and don't post on a public forum for us to react too and comment on. Or do I need to be on this forum for another 8 years to understand that?  Guess I will just go to bed now and let you and cooper argue who's gonna catch and who's gonna pitch tonight. 

[coops]

Then send Kevin a PM and don't post on a public forum for us to react too and comment on. Or do I need to be on this forum for another 8 years to understand that?  Guess I will just go to bed now and let you and cooper argue who's gonna catch and who's gonna pitch tonight.

Out of line. I don't even know who you are so I'm not sure what your problem is but this is a discussion about safety.

Everyone will agree that this decision is hard and is one that not everyone will ever be happy with. I think everyone will agree, however, that discussion and improvement is indeed meritorious.

[Kevin Montgomery]

I really don't have anything further to add and don't feel I need to defend my actions as I've already stated my position. If others felt they were in danger and are unhappy with how things turned out they certainly didn't voice those concerns to me at the time or after the fact. But your point is well taken Loomis. I completely understand where you are coming from and if this situation happens to me in the future your comments will no doubt be valuable information for myself and others to draw upon.

Oh, and the word we were trying to think of the other day when I was talking to you is astraphobia. I don't say that to be facetious, I just remembered our conversation and was curious.

I think we'd all be a lot better off if the club simply purchased a couple of these for just such situations and I sincerely wish I had had one Saturday.

http://www.scientificsales.com/P5-2-Skyscan-Lightning-Detector-p/p5-2.htm

[coops]

This is a great suggestion Kevin. Thanks for not resulting to homophobic slurs to make a point.

I'm actually surprised there aren't requirements in the PDGA manual to use these things. I know they would be expensive for every TD to have but they are also prevalent. I know many schools are required to have them for activities and I'm sure for a rental fee and some form of collateral when they are unused they could be acquired.

[spinachio]

I don't know how with computer/cell phone internet, how radar couldn't have helped make the call. I was at swope and it looked like it might stay south and it darkened up out east and I saw some bolts. These were already by us. Then winds picked up and then it dumped sideways. Finishing hole 7 Pete Cashen stopped us and hooked a ride up right as the rain started. Thanks for the ride. I would ultimately say if you're worried lightning is gonna hit nearby then stop, head to the TD and demand a stoppage. I think swope was handled fine. I've rarely seen players argue to stop for safety during the round.

[Loomis]

Dear mr slow pitch soft balls,

Did you play the tournament this weekend? I don't see your name anywhere. So where did you get this insightful outlook on this topic? I bet you just started reading today, huh? Are you sorta slow? i bet you wouldnt know if you were or not - its that bad, huh? I have a theory but we will get to that later. Keep up if you can but I can tell there isn't much hope of that.

I made my comments regarding weather and the need for some clarity on how to handle weather issues. Cause... Wait for it, this is the second time this year that a TD has had a tough weather issue to resolve. You with me so far, Mr. Slow pitch?

Then Kevin replied rather vaguely and spinelessly. He didn't say, "hey, I %$#@ed up and let jack pressure me into an unsafe call;" or "I panicked and made a bad call." Instead, he tried to dodge it. Then, like clockwork, the huffin' and puffin' crowd who always make empty comments like a bad politician seeking inclusion and acceptance, showed up with their defenses up in an effort to just move on and maintain the status quo no matter whether or not that is good or not...


Now I know I've said a lot so go grab someone and have it explained to you before I continue...

Kevin should have just said, "hey I screwed up. I won't do it again." He didn't. He scampered toward the dress and waited for others to obscure the issue.

Enter the huffin' and puffin' crowd. Yourself included.

You don't sound like you follow the threads real well to understand who is talking about what or what issues have been raised. You're an interloper in this situation and, I'm sure your parents and every girl you've ever talked to would agree with me - you're boring and in the way. So - and I'm sure you here this often - stay out of the way.

If cooper wants to comment about you I will leave it to him.

I'm sorry, I know I wrote a lot and there's no pictures.

[Loomis]

And the discretion of the call is on the TD. If a player tried to leave his card before the TD calls it they get stroked. And Kevin knew the weather was bad as we discussed it 35 minutes before the call was made. Lightning was seen. Radars were viewed and Kevin even said, "it's coming." And yet it took him 35 more minutes to make the call. THAT'S the error.

However...

According to the PDGA it's his call and their are no guidelines to follow other than one persons opinion. Players can be stroked for defiance. Just to be clear.

[coops]

Yeah. I'm not replying to Mr. Rhyno's comments. I sort of was expecting them to be deleted by now anyway.

I think there should be a brightline standard for when to call a suspension of play due to lightning. I like this detector thing a lot. I remember when my football coaches would have it out if the weather even looked dicey and if it got within a certain range that was that. There was no room for human decision it was simply a process of looking at the machine and doing what it said.

That sort of decision making needs to be removed from the process. Period. We don't want to get to the point where somebody gets killed during an event before things change.

[jamidanger]

if you saw lightning, suspend play your self, I've played rounds with players that have done it, they say I ain't risking it. personally  i'll play hell or high water, but if the td blows that horn - game off. nobody will dairyqueen your ass for making a safe call within your group, but playing after the horn is different. same logic applies to shootings that a td may not see or hear. 3 rules of golf 1 : play safe 2 : be courteous 3 : all holes are par 3

[robm]

I second the recommendation that the club purchase a minimum of 1, possibly up to 3 of the lightening detectors:

P5-2 Skyscan Lightning Detector

It is a good safety precaution.

It is a great liabilty precaution.

It should be required by the KCFDC to be used of any tournament that receives board approval on KCFDC maintained courses.  A $5-$25 fee (figure life expectancy and amortize the amount) could be charged to the tournament so there would not be any cost to the club.  A deposit should also be required that is refunded when it is returned.  If the TD is a recognized and responsible club member, the deposit could be waived.

[mikedopen]

Ward, I think you being a little hard on the beaver.....


Just saying. ..

[kcRhyno]

Please forgive me, your Highness. I wasn't aware that nobody could or should ever oppose the genius that is Loomis. As soon as I figure out how to use a thesaurus, I will decipher your incredible response.  Maybe when I grow up, I'll be an incredible traveling Renaissance man like yourself. And no I did not play this event due to circumstances that are out of my control. I was at every round except for the first round at WW.  now, go blog about something, you amazing wordsmith you.
Cheers 

[kidmills]

it hard to understand why ya'll are worried about when the call was made,with all that was going on on this weekend,i guess it's the only thing you could find to complain about..............very well run tournament(with all that mother nature give us)

[Loomis]

Trust me Mr. Slow Pitch, if you were worth the time or trouble I could spend all day on your tragic existence. Now go sit back down and do what you do best - be an example of a life spent on the sidelines. And if you feel my words are too much for you, I'm always free to make my points in person.