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Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2013, 09:08:58 AM »
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All scores thrown on the same course layout in multiple rounds will be used to determine the SSA and ratings for that layout except when wind is significantly different

So it looks like the SSA is still being calculated from the first round, which would be the 49 (1000 rated.) It looks like each throw is then worth 10 ratings points.

The second round gets a little tricky. Because there wasn't a Scratch Score, and the general low scores of the field, we see compressed ratings. For instance, a 51 in the second round rated higer (4 points) than a 50 in the first round.

I'm not sure what formula they apply to appease the "except when the wind is significantly different" scenario in the above PDGA statement. But I reckon these ratings will be recalculated before everything is said and done.
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Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2013, 11:22:59 AM »
When I enter scores in, I'm only selection course layout, not conditions.  When I submit the official report I will mention those conditions, not sure what that changes though

As far as I know, the weather has nothing to do with the ratings.

Correct, the only thing that matters on the ratings is the other players rating playing.  If the others playing have a high score, the ratings are adjusted accordingly.  So if a 1000 rated player shot 48 for a 1000 the first round and then they shot 52 for a 1000 the second round, it is based off of all the other players with PDGA ratings.  It will self adjust slightly as it becomes official though.

So though weather doesn't change, the PDGA also doesn't "manufacture" ratings based on the weather and alter them.  It is based solely on a mathematical formula.  THe harder the course is scored by the people with ratings already the harder the ratings will be.  If 4 1000 rated players all shoot that 48=1000 in round one, and then shoot 52 in the afternoon, everything will be skewed by four strokes on the afternoon round.  So the weather plays a part only by the score from the players playing.  It doesn't change the ratings criteria because it rained, or because they have another event that was used earlier. 

Think about it in KC, we have one of the few places in the world where we have 3-5 placements on every freaking hole.  Based on that how would the PDGA be able to determine each hole specific to each course, unless we as TD's turned in each location......it doesn't happen.....

Weather only affects the ratings because it affects the entire field's score.  It is with that notion that weather affects the ratings, but not altering the ratings based on the weather.....

Here's the kicker; in Jack's example of a 4 stroke difference between rounds by the same four 1000 rated players, conditions weather wise could be exactly the same from round to round.  But those 4 players all simply shoot less well from one round to the next.   Assuming the exact same layout and no noticeable change in weather conditions, the course "should" rate the same, but it doesn't, because the rating is not based on the course or the conditions, it's based on how well or not player "seeds" played the course/conditions.

Hint for anyone chasing ratings:  Play in events(pools) with as many high rated players as possible.  You might get whooped on, but I guarantee you'll get higher rated rounds than if you shoot the same score on the same course under the same conditions playing with lower rated players.

Simply put, disc golf ratings is a flawed system.

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Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2013, 11:36:54 AM »
Don't worry about the round ratings... This isn't a sport with sabermetrics. Worry about other things - more important things like throwing really, really far and making sure you own every new disc that comes out. These things are essential and will improve your game the most. My keys for success also contain a few often overlooked yet important concerns, for example; I concern myself with color coordination of my discs; and I am very concerned about my own hygiene. If more disc golfers did the same, then the ratings might be more impressive and mean something.

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Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2013, 11:45:14 AM »
Hint for anyone chasing ratings:  Play in events(pools) with as many high rated players as possible.......
Simply put, disc golf ratings is a flawed system.

Yes, hence why playing a course in the morning during the Wide Open in the pro pool, will have higher ratings than an advanced pool on the same course with almost identical conditions.  The ratings of the people that you are playing with determine more than your actual play.

That being said though, playing where you are comfortable and feel competitive is probably more important in the long run.  Hence my decision to return to the Am side, that and I enjoy being able to choose which divisions I want to play, and having all options open......
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Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2013, 11:56:32 AM »
Hint for anyone chasing ratings:  Play in events(pools) with as many high rated players as possible.......
Simply put, disc golf ratings is a flawed system.

Yes, hence why playing a course in the morning during the Wide Open in the pro pool, will have higher ratings than an advanced pool on the same course with almost identical conditions.  The ratings of the people that you are playing with determine more than your actual play.

That being said though, playing where you are comfortable and feel competitive is probably more important in the long run.  Hence my decision to return to the Am side, that and I enjoy being able to choose which divisions I want to play, and having all options open......

I didn't mean to recommend playing way out of your division.  But if one consistently did, their rating would rise over time, even if their game never really improved.  The converse is also true, if you want your rating to drop, play in events with as many low rated players as possible.

In reality, since ratings are a jacked up mess ignore them. Play the division you feel comfortable with and enjoy playing in. Do your best and forget the rest.