PDGA League in 2013 at Cliff

[jack]

Who knows, that information changes all the time.  So it may only be 1/2 points of a C-Tier, but you are still getting the points regardless....which goes back to the argument, the points should remain with the person in the division that they want points.

I think that last year Ed Gonzales missed getting an invite by 5 points.....if he chose to play Master instead of Grand Master at leagues, he wouldn't get the points assigned appropriately.  So I want to be cognizant of our relationship to points, but remain true to the league as you wish to chose it.

As it appears to me now, it is looking like it is going to be requiring me to complete 3 different spreadsheets to make this work accordingly.

Such fun!

[Tracy]

Are PDGA points awarded for each round?  Or is the 10 round league considered one event?  If it's the former, I call BS.  If it's the later, eh, whatever.

[Tracy]

Are PDGA points awarded for each round?  Or is the 10 round league considered one event?  If it's the former, I call BS.  If it's the later, eh, whatever.

Found the answer myself.  It's one points value based on some sort of standings at the conclusion of the league.

3 spreadsheets, Jack?  But it's "auto-magically" done by the PDGA. 

I think this is meant to be a "league" not 10 minis.
 

[jack]

3-spreadsheets...
1-the PDGA Master sheet (because you can't input the information from the Spreadsheet that I keep already for the league)-I mean that would make to much sense yes?  Lets make people keep another sheet, because on this sheet provided by the PDGA, you have to manually enter everything, you can't cut and paste it into the sheet they demand you use.

Glad I caught that in week 2, I would have been screaming in week 10.

2-My own league sheet, where I track the scores, and winning amounts for the league to have year end stats for the league.

3-The Club sheet so that I can track the # of people not members, not opting in for ace funds, etc....

I could eliminate #3, but I don't want to add columns on my spreadsheet for each week on who did what....


The points thing at the end of it...geesh what a freaking nightmare that is going to be.  The person that plays the most gets the most points?  Well if that is the case, then start now and get those points moving along, and don't miss the weeks!

[jack]

hmmm...

Ok, so it does look like it is a cumulative process on the leagues, so get there as often as you can to get more "points?"

I am going to try to figure out how best to assign points to players in terms that will work.  For those that make it all 10 weeks, they would be "highest", 9, 8, 7.......you can see where I am going with this.

I will be working with the PDGA to figure out the best method on this.  (wish me well)

BTW though, the service levels from the PDGA have improved drastically.  Infact I got a call proactively today indicating the issues that I was having and asking me for input.

This is a drastic change from years past and one that I am excited to see moving forward for the major governing body of the sport.

[Tracy]

Jack, from the PDGA league FAQ.

How does league scoring work for final awards and payouts? TDs can run their leagues pretty much however they run them now using best average scores, a points system, best 4 of 10 finish positions or handicaps to determine nightly and final league standings. Payouts will not be reported to the PDGA so amateurs may even get cash payouts if the TD prefers and they will not lose their amateur standing.
 

[robm]

Jack, from the PDGA league FAQ.

How does league scoring work for final awards and payouts? TDs can run their leagues pretty much however they run them now using best average scores, a points system, best 4 of 10 finish positions or handicaps to determine nightly and final league standings. Payouts will not be reported to the PDGA so amateurs may even get cash payouts if the TD prefers and they will not lose their amateur standing.
 

That's good stuff right there

[jack]

The problem comes in assigning the points to the correct division.

I would love to help people get invites from this, and ensure that their points acquired are going to the division that they want to have them in.  I know myself either last year or the year before, I had MPM, MPO, MA1, and MM1 points.....but then that is me, I am a weird fellar (yeah yeah, you can all throw those insults now!) but I assume that most people want the points to go where they can go.  If I can assign points solely on the event, and not on divisions, then they shouldn't be asking for the division codes.

Again, we shall see as I was told that this was sort of penciled in, even though this is year 2 of it, they have more pressing matters *they are correct!* to attend to.

[Tracy]

Points are either Pro or Am.  Point accumulation isn't by division. Jack, you didn't accumulate MPO points and MPM points, you accumulated Pro points.  Same for MA1 and MM1, you accumulated Am points.  But you still have to a report division so the PDGA can use the appropriate points factor.

[robm]

Points are either Pro or Am.  Point accumulation isn't by division. Jack, you didn't accumulate MPO points and MPM points, you accumulated Pro points.  Same for MA1 and MM1, you accumulated Am points.  But you still have to a report division so the PDGA can use the appropriate points factor.

Tracy is right.  I have even emailed the PDGA to verify this.  The reason why MA1 point factor is different then MM1 points is that MA1 should be harder (not age protected), therefore the multiplication factor is more.

One example, look at (don't laugh) Holly Finley for 2012.

http://www.pdga.com/player_stats/80188/2012

At the top, there are Professional Points and Amateur Points.

Her Pro points came from both Open and Open Women.  It doesn't matter, it is all Pro.

Her Am points came from Advanced (not gender specific), Adv. Women, Intermediate Women, and Rec Women.  It doesn't matter, it is all Am.

Using all 4 Am divisions she scored in, let's look at a B-Tier points factor.
Adv. 7.5
Adv. Women 4.5
Intermediate Women 3
Rec. Women 2.25

So if she beat 5 people each division, it would be 37.5, 22.5, 15, and 11.25 respectively.

Now, if she thought she could hold her own intermediate (not gender) vs. adv. women, intermediate (not gender) is a 6 vs. 4.5

So what the PDGA is saying (whether you agree or not) is that it is harder to place in Intermediate than it is in Adv. Women, actually it is 6 to 4.5 (or 33%) harder.

I geek out about stuff like this.

[robm]

Look at anyone that you know that has played various divisions. 

Ken Climo-has points in Open and Masters - but it is all Pro.
Ron Convers Jr. - points in Open and Masters - but it is all Pro.

Hey, let's even look at me.

http://www.pdga.com/player_stats/80912/2012

I have points in: Advanced Masters (6), Intermediate (104), Rec (87) and Novice (15) but had a total of 212 points just barely squeaking by to receive an invitation to Worlds this year, needing 200 for Adv. Masters.  I only played 1 tournie and only earned 6 points in MM1 (actually got last place for the division), but received an invite.  If I didn't have those Novice points, I wouldn't have received an invite to Am Worlds! Fair?  I don't know.  But you can bet your sweet ace I'm playing this year.  I just know how to work the system.  Even if I am the 3rd to the lowest rated player.  I'm like the Jamaican bobsled team, or the 14th seed that only got into NCAA's because I made a lucky 3-point shot at the buzzer in my conference even though I had a losing record.  I'm going to the BIG DANCE baby!

[jack]

Points are either Pro or Am.  Point accumulation isn't by division. Jack, you didn't accumulate MPO points and MPM points, you accumulated Pro points.  Same for MA1 and MM1, you accumulated Am points.  But you still have to a report division so the PDGA can use the appropriate points factor.

This is what I get for thinking about this stuff and trying to do my job.  I read this and went DUH?  WTF was I thinking??

Dunce hat on, sitting in the corner....